AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

[oceanblueeyes]

I think the dogs barked frantically at first, then quieted down after they saw who it was....thus allowing the people to be heard talking.

The neighbor never said that though and I think she would have if that had been the case.

imo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I think I am missing what you are saying. Why would it matter if the parents were involved/ it is the child that is missing. Maybe I am misunderstanding. jmo

I was responding to a post about Isabel's disappearance being a "hoax". In other words, the child is not really missing, but the family is receiving monetary donations for their own personal use. As of today, Becky and Sergio Celis have not been cleared by LE in the disappearance of their daughter.

 

[mamamia54]

I was responding to a post about Isabel's disappearance being a "hoax". In other words, the child is not really missing, but the family is receiving monetary donations for their own personal use. As of today, Becky and Sergio Celis have not been cleared by LE in the disappearance of their daughter.

By this time the parents should have been cleared, no doubt about that.

 

[Lark2]

Originally Posted by MyTinkieGirl
OK...I'm gonna say this is O/T....

But, after he made the comment about the "opera"....well, it was actually the "surgical assistant"....he really likes to fluff his own feathers....I'm sorry, but, combined with the "Ave Maria" production in the church, IMO, he's a "legend" in his own mind.

So, I wanted to get some info on the Arizona Opera and shows, etc. So there's this Tuscon Theater Announcement site....I started reading some of the posts, etc....the SECOND one down is just so bizarre, at this point in time to me with Isa missing and the "cartel" theory.

Maybe Serg brought his "work" home with him....LOL


http://tucsonstage.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html

There's a "trailer"....couldn't tell if he's in there...

Um, hmmmmm, I read that also and didn't dare bring it here lol.

I really have been doing my homework. Something is amiss.

That trailer is really creepy. A young girl is being held hostage. Wonder is SC answered the call in December to shoot final scenes for the movie, posted on the Tucson Stage site. Maybe he got some ideas from this??

http://vimeo.com/12279333

 

[mck16]

I was responding to a post about Isabel's disappearance being a "hoax". In other words, the child is not really missing, but the family is receiving monetary donations for their own personal use. As of today, Becky and Sergio Celis have not been cleared by LE in the disappearance of their daughter.

Oh okay, so I was misunderstanding. Thanks for splainin to me. And I agree.

 

[time]

I don't know....something really bothers me when she shares this information below without even being asked about it.

"Q: Okay. Does uh, any uh, marks, scars?
A2 (RC): Other than the window out, I can't see anything else. And the door is locked to the outside, so they had to have jumped over the fence or, I dont know what they did, but oh my god, the cops are here, can I just hang up.. "

She had just gotten home, and had not yet talked with SC. She just got handed the phone from the boy to finish talking to the 911 operators that the boy was talking to. So, to begin to explain that the perp had to have jumped over the fence seems a little too much to throw in at the time. Also, it seems she may have realized that when she adds...."or I dont know what they dd". It is just bothersome.

But another MAIN thing that bothers me is that if she had just gotten home, surely she would have rushed in to confront the husband. Wouldn't any of us?
Why, OH WHY, OR HOW even, could she possibly have wanted to get on the phone and begin talking to 911 operators before even talking to her husband, because remember, she had already gotten a call from SC, so she knew her child was missing. She would normally be rushing home to go talk with him in person about it, and surely she would have told him to call 911 as she hung up with him to rush home. I just cannot see her, at that exact instance, taking the time to provide all these details about hair, etc. to a 911 operator when she hasn't even talked with SC yet after rushing home!!!

I also don't like the comment from SC about the Mom may be calling 911 too. How did he think that the Mom may call 911. Was there a plan to maybe have the Mom, the boy, and the dad all call 911?
This is bothersome to me. Something doesnt feel right about the details in the calls.

JMO of course.

You've explained some of what is bothering me, I think. The hair thing doesn't bother me because it's part of the child's description. I am bothered about 'the' door was locked --> jumped over the fence thing and it reminds me of another case where it seemed the potential perp created chaos in the 911 calls. If Sergio is hinky and everyone is picking apart his words, then I think RC is just as hinky - no one is picking at the fact that she intially give the wrong age. Basically, I still think they are both equally hinky, but I don't get the feeling they would hurt Isabel.

 

[Hatfield]

Here is another huge concern. She literally had just pulled up based on the phone being handed to her, so how did she search EVERYWHERE according to this.....

Q Okay, now you looked everywhere, under the beds, the closets, everything?

A2 Yeah, I looked everywhere, I even looked ________ (inadible) the windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't know....something really bothers me when she shares this information below without even being asked about it.

"Q: Okay. Does uh, any uh, marks, scars?
A2 (RC): Other than the window out, I can't see anything else. And the door is locked to the outside, so they had to have jumped over the fence or, I dont know what they did, but oh my god, the cops are here, can I just hang up.. "

She had just gotten home, and had not yet talked with SC. She just got handed the phone from the boy to finish talking to the 911 operators that the boy was talking to. So, to begin to explain that the perp had to have jumped over the fence seems a little too much to throw in at the time. Also, it seems she may have realized that when she adds...."or I dont know what they dd". It is just bothersome.

But another MAIN thing that bothers me is that if she had just gotten home, surely she would have rushed in to confront the husband. Wouldn't any of us?
Why, OH WHY, OR HOW even, could she possibly have wanted to get on the phone and begin talking to 911 operators before even talking to her husband, because remember, she had already gotten a call from SC, so she knew her child was missing. She would normally be rushing home to go talk with him in person about it, and surely she would have told him to call 911 as she hung up with him to rush home. I just cannot see her, at that exact instance, taking the time to provide all these details about hair, etc. to a 911 operator when she hasn't even talked with SC yet after rushing home!!!

I also don't like the comment from SC about the Mom may be calling 911 too. How did he think that the Mom may call 911. Was there a plan to maybe have the Mom, the boy, and the dad all call 911?
This is bothersome to me. Something doesnt feel right about the details in the calls.

JMO of course.

They may have locks like we do. They stay locked from the inside and we never unlock them and when we leave and shut the door it will lock behind whoever is leaving out the door. During the day the doors are all open wide because we have strong glass security doors in front of each of them. Over the years I have locked myself out a time or two. LOL!

I am sure Sergio already told her what Sergio Jr had seen when he called her.

Sergio was still on the phone when Becky got there. I am sure she didnt want him to hang up where she would have to call 911 back again. She was telling the 911 op what she had done and that she had braided her hair before she went to bed.

What do you think is suspicous about it. Once Sergio told Becky to come home he turned around and called 911.

IMO

 

[mamamia54]

That trailer is really creepy. A young girl is being held hostage. Wonder is SC answered the call in December to shoot final scenes for the movie, posted on the Tucson Stage site. Maybe he got some ideas from this??

Is his name listed on that production anywhere?

 

[katydid23]

Here is another huge concern. She literally had just pulled up based on the phone being handed to her, so how did she search EVERYWHERE according to this.....

Q Okay, now you looked everywhere, under the beds, the closets, everything?

A2 Yeah, I looked everywhere, I even looked ________ (inadible) the windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

WOW. Good catch. How did she even look anywhere, she just walked in the door. She should have said that her family looked everywhere--but she said that she did. That seems very odd, imo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

By this time the parents should have been cleared, no doubt about that.

I have seen countless cases where no one was cleared (including family members) until the real perpretrator was finally caught and arrested.



IMO

 

[Prof]

Well, even two years old would be better than nothing, because we know the family has lived there since 2007. It would be better if a local could actually go out there and snap a more recent picture. Either way.

IMO Google satelite zoomed to street view is the best pic of that gate you are going to get.
IMO there are not big arching swing marks as if it was used. There are no ruts in the gravel there that I can see....
IMO this gate was not used for vehicles if ever used at all.
Did you get a screen shot of that?

 

[Stash777]

Just a fleeting thought: IF the family was involved in some way in Isa's disappearance, and one or more know she's safe and alive, I am wondering if "they" didn't think it was going to be such big news or it would die down quickly. Maybe "they" aren't in the media because they don't want to keep this in the news. MOO

This is all just so weird...

 

[Whisperer]

Just carrying on whisperer
I am not sure why we need to know? If she was abducted by a stranger the clothes would be changed out immediately, if the police know what she was wearing then if found they will know - I am not quite sure how by us knowing what she was wearing will change anything.

Let's pretend she was wearing pink pyjamas with flowers on them - now what?

I'll give you an example. We have a missing girl here. When I was out looking around I saw things and clothing laying in fields and near the streets. I would be attracted and was looking for what I heard she was wearing last. It helps tremendously to know. The color can catch your eye, etc. If you know the victim was wearing pink pjs, when you see something pink in the distance, you go check it out.

Usually when young children go missing, they are found wearing what was described by the parent, if deceased.

 

[mamamia54]

IMO Google satelite zoomed to street view is the best pic of that gate you are going to get.
IMO there are not big arching swing marks as if it was used. There are no ruts in the gravel there that I can see....
IMO this gate was not used for vehicles if ever used at all.
Did you get a screen shot of that?

Yes, that's the same shot that I was able to get and couldn't see that the gate had been recently or otherwise used at all. Thank you for trying.

 

[mck16]

The neighbor never said that though and I think she would have if that had been the case.

imo

As a single woman living alone, this person has bothered me. Either the voices she heard are a regular occurrence, or maybe she was in on it. Do we know anything about her? I cannot imagine hearing noises in the space between my house and another at 6:30 in the morning and not looking out to see what it was.

I can't believe she just went back to sleep. I would be asking them who they were and why they were that near my house. Guess, I am just too scary. jmo

 

[Shelby2]

Here is another huge concern. She literally had just pulled up based on the phone being handed to her, so how did she search EVERYWHERE according to this.....

Q Okay, now you looked everywhere, under the beds, the closets, everything?

A2 Yeah, I looked everywhere, I even looked ________ (inadible) the windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

I don't know when RC got there-did she just get there when SC was saying 'my wife is freaking out' or had she been there for a minute, frantically looking for her (freaking out as he put it)? Also, she did speak to SC, you can hear her saying"She's my daughter, she's not gonna leave!".

 

[Lark2]

Is his name listed on that production anywhere?

The trailer was shot in 2011 and he is not one of the actors listed as appearing in the trailer.

But the diector put out a casting call in Dec. 2011 for actors to finish the movie. He was not offering pay, just food and creddit. Shooting was to take place in Feb/March of 2012.

I don't think the movie is "done" yet, perhaps director is still editing the footage from Feb/March. So, I don't know is Sergio was one of those people who appeared in the later shooting.

But it's possible because the director posted an open casting call on the Tuscon Stage web site.

Also, I didn't find this, My Tinkie Girl did. Good find!!!

 

[txanmom]

Ok... I understand. I guess I'm wondering if she could have left it unlocked after that or if there is any other door that could have been unlocked. We have several outside doors, but we make sure the door going into the garage is locked and the door from the garage into the house is locked ... they must have had at least one other outside door?

Well, there is a patio door to the backyard through the den. But, if we are to believe SC he was asleep on the couch and I am not sure how brazen an intruder would be to carry his daughter out that door while he was on the couch. If it wasn't him that did it, then he would have no reason to lie about sleeping on the couch.

Trust me, I have worked that whole scenario around and around about how she was taken out of the house. Could be as simple as taken out through her window, and squeezed between a gap in the wooden fence/gate at the other end of the backyard. I dunno :waitasec:

(but this reminds me that I need to replace 2 screens that I was working out scenarios with, lol!)

 

[mck16]

Yes, that's the same shot that I was able to get and couldn't see that the gate had been recently or otherwise used at all. Thank you for trying.

That seems a weird place for a gate to me. Way back in the corner. jmo

Never mind. I can see it is a double gate where a car could drive through. Slip stick my post.