AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[liz b.]

I also believe it would be serious enough that if there weren't voluntary compliance they know it is likely they didn't want to face the possibility of losing in court, or have the issue go that far. However wouldn't it also be normal for them to seek legal advice before agreeing if it didn't seem to be a serious matter, there was some disagreement, or totally innocent of whatever allegations caused the no contact order?

MOO

Panthera, It has never made sense to me that RC has said she is " outraged " about the family not being together. The Celis' can get an attorney and fight this. They really do not have to comply.

However, if they did retain an attorney, they might well be deposed under oath about various things, and may not wish to have this happen ? Baffling. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

From my experience, in Florida, in Family Court evidence is RARELY brought before a judge. The judge trusts DCF to make these decisions, and if their reports are all written well and show reasonable suspicion the judge Okays removal of children. The last few years I've spent with my sister in family court has been really eye opening. It is NOT the same as criminal court.

CPS can just make something up about you and there's nothing you can do about it?

 

[callyn]

I thought she drove a Lexus?

In that Judge Jeanine video they talk as if those DUI's just happened and they happened many years ago! I wish these people would get things straight before they go on the air with such stuff. Of course she can drive now.

 

[Lark2]

ITA!
BUT come to think of it NOT ONE person from that town that knows Sergio Celis has come forward and said one unkind word against him in over a month.

And I have no doubt the local reporters have been looking high and low for such people even if they dont want their name or face in the media and would give the info anonymously.

Those people are likely going straight to LE, as they should.

And if someone had incriminationg information involving a crime, I would hope the media would advise them to do the same.

 

[liz b.]

Hearing hooves.

Zebras?

Let's try horses.

Could also be a jackass ? Just askin....

 

[azmary]

IMO, I'm not finding this very credible, but I will keep it on the back burner. I guess it is always POSSIBLE. She could have a restricted driving work permit, which people who have their licenses revoked can apply for.

If she had recent alcohol abuse, her Nursing lic. is in good standing. Her lic is good til 2015 means she just renewed and there are no sanctions. So I don't believe this was recent.

 

[Madeleine74]

Could also be a jackass ? Just askin....

The simplest/most common explanation versus one that would not be as probable. Occam's Razor. It has stood the test of time for a really good reason.

 

[FrayedKnot]

It is kind of funny how cities can gain a reputation that spreads across the country...:waitasec:

I grew up in Dallas....and the reputation I always hear (from others outside of TX) are all the women are (real and fake) blondes with big hair and with huge fake , drip in diamonds and designer clothes, handbags and shoes and all the men wear cowboy hats and spurs on their boots and everyone drives a truck and swims in oil. :giggle:

Being a native (born & raised), I wont comment on how true or not it is................ :floorlaugh:

Lol. I am a native Floridian, from Orlando. And we all know what kind of "rep" Orlando and Central Florida has.........it's downright embarrassing!

Like you, I won't comment.......


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[mamamia54]

The simplest/most common explanation versus one that would not be as probable. Occam's Razor.

What is the simplest answer here? Cause I'm not seeing it yet. Basically, if someone didn't take her out the window, then someone walked right past a sleeping Sergio. JMHO

 

[panthera]

Panthera, It has never made sense to me that RC has said she is " outraged " about the family not being together. The Celis' can get an attorney and fight this. They really do not have to comply.

However, if they did retain an attorney, they might well be deposed under oath about various things, and may not wish to have this happen ? Baffling. JMO

Exactly.

This appears to be a voluntary agreement without a court order, therefore, if she is that outraged, it could be contested, yet we have heard nothing of the sort, or even of them having an attorney for legal consultation.

MOO

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

That FoxNews video was pretty blunt.

The expert panel certainly don't believe a stranger abduction occurred that night. The older guy on the left thinks that LE are 90% sure of what happened and just need the evidence to arrest!

Does anyone know who the older guy is? Is he ex LE or something?

 

[Deleted member 718]

The problem with this is..........

1. how did the napper know that there was a little girl sleeping in a bed in THAT room THAT night? that had to know exactly which room she slept in and that she would be in there at the time they tried. why would some random person chose a house that was not ummmmm "user friendly" (high closed off walls)

2. how did the napper know that she would not make a noise or fight for her life? the window is not huge. now i have HUGE windows - an adult man could fit thru easily. her window was not huge. so how did he manage to take her, not wake her, keep her quiet and still (not fighting for her life) and get himself and her out of the small window...and over a wall. it seems impossible......no way, no how, IMO.

3. how did the napper know that the dogs would not attack EVEN with treats or make a sound? i have a big german shepherd....if she does not know you and you come near her or my house, she will kill you. i am NOT exaggerating. i dont care if you have a big steak to give her. she will attack you and kill you. she also will not immiedately or always bark (sometimes she does) at strangers if they come near. she will watch and watch and creap (like a cat)...she is very sneaky lol.....so someone coming over a fence may not even know she is there....BUT people who know me know how she is...

as ive said over and over.....this was a perfect storm of opportunity for someone to abduct her....and in my very very very vivid imagination, i do not see how some random stranger took her from her bed.

IMO it's not a random stranger nor a perfect storm. It's someone familiar with the family and knows the one big dog is on it's last legs. (Poor old dog) Someone who has watched the home and knows the family's habits and how Isa treasured her white dog. Someone who specifically wanted Isabel Celis.

Like Brian Mitchell. MOO

 

[Lark2]

The perp is someone known to Isa and she was coerced into to going with them. MOO

Yeah, like her dad.

 

[mamamia54]

That FoxNews video was pretty blunt.

The expert panel certainly don't believe a stranger abduction occurred that night. The older guy on the left thinks that LE are 90% sure of what happened and just need the evidence to arrest!

Does anyone know who the older guy is? Is he ex LE or something?

That would be Dr Michael Baden, he's a forensic pathologist.

 

[panthera]

What is the simplest answer here? Cause I'm not seeing it yet. Basically, if someone didn't take her out the window, then someone walked right past a sleeping Sergio. JMHO

Unlikely a common burglar would even walk past a man allegedly asleep on the sofa........so much more unlikely that a child abductor would do the same, without being prepared to injure or kill anyone who gets in his way. With that said, it is difficult for me to believe a stranger was inside the home that night.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 718]

Hearing hooves.

Zebras?

Let's try horses.

Does that rule out the drug cartel smuggling aliens connection?

 

[Donjeta]

Occam's Razor is not really that the most common explanation is the right one, rather than the explanation that needs the fewest assumptions.

There was question earlier that the neighbor might have changed her story but I don't see a change here.

GRACE: Welcome back, everyone. We are taking your calls. And joining me is crucial witness Alicia Stardevant. She is a neighbor of the Celises, whose bedroom is just feet from Isa`s.

Alicia, again, thank you for taking your time to be with us and explain all of this to literally millions of people that are praying and looking for Isa.

Alicia, you say that you had just had normal conversations with neighbors. Tell me about the Celises. I understand they`re a very close- knit family.

STARDEVANT: They always seemed like it. Again, I never had real personal connections with them. But they always seemed like a very happy family. Nothing ever unusual would go on. The kids seemed very happy. And it just -- it`s sad that it happened to a family that seems so close and so tight-knit.

GRACE: Have you observed them together in the neighborhood?

STARDEVANT: Not around the neighborhood or anything. They mostly stayed in their house. Again, I just saw the kids outside playing. There was a little girl that she played with down the street from me, but that`s about it.

GRACE: Did the two little brothers play with Isa outside?

STARDEVANT: Yes.

GRACE: Where they would play, is that easily observed from the street?

STARDEVANT: Yes, it`s right in front of the street. It`s right in their -- in their garage, the driveway.

GRACE: Do they always have that red car parked in their driveway?

STARDEVANT: Yes. Yes. They do.

GRACE: Does it work, or is it just sitting there?

STARDEVANT: It`s just sitting there. Yes, it`s been sitting there, I`m pretty sure, since I moved in about eight months ago.

GRACE: I was wondering because I know that police removed fabric and pillows from the vehicle and I was wondering why. How long have you lived next to the Celis family?

STARDEVANT: About eight months now.

GRACE: And have you observed Mr. and Ms. Celis, as well? Do you ever see them?

STARDEVANT: Not a lot, no. I have seen just a couple of times them in their back yard, but not more than the children.

GRACE: What would they be doing in the back yard?

STARDEVANT: I think feeding the dogs. Like, I didn`t want to be nosy and look over the wall, but just feeding the dogs, you know, making dinner.

GRACE: Alicia, have you ever observed a lot of foot traffic in and out? Do they have a lot of visitors in the home?

STARDEVANT: No, they don`t. I`ve never seen any other people besides them really come visit and -- you know, and their family. No strange activity, no strange cars. It just seemed like a quiet house.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html

Go to any store or restaurant in Tucson and you're bound to hear an opinion.

"I've heard speculations that the family is involved in drugs, the cartel," Stardevant says. "But that's just what people are saying. Who really knows?"

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...the-untold-investigation?clienttype=printable

She's just reporting local rumors, much as we have discussed here, and not saying that she ever saw any suspicious activity at the home.

 

[prima.facie]

What is the simplest answer here? Cause I'm not seeing it yet. Basically, if someone didn't take her out the window, then someone walked right past a sleeping Sergio. JMHO

and that scenario works ONLY if there was actually a sleeping Sergio.

we dont even know if his statement is true....


what is so frustrating is we hardly have any actual evidence/facts. all we have are guesstimates, speculations, rumours and hearsay...along with bits and pieces from LE that tell us hardly anything and the words of mom and dad which are not testimonies given under oath.

 

[Eileen730]

Don't feel bad! I do not personally know one family ever visited by CPS and I have also been teaching for ten years and have never had a student whose family was being investigated.

I am starting to think I have been living under a rock. Or just VERY lucky. Yipes!


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No, it was just interesting me to hear them speak about the fact that Becky had the prior alcohol abuse which was why she still can't drive. So, perhaps my thinking that someone could have put Isa inside the trunk of her vehicle was wrong thinking, if indeed she can't drive.

Then who took her to work?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Yeah, like her dad.

I haven't ruled anything out. The CPS thingy isn't good at all.