AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[azmary]

I know I am posting without properly catching up, but thank you for this post, Lava. It is exactly how I feel.

I did read about the vigil last night as well as listen (video afterwards) to SC's sister and RC. I came away being very upset because SC was in such focus, Of course the sister and RC would take up for SC, but at a prayer vigil for beautiful little Isa? Not proper, IMO. Call a PC and say what you will, but focus on Isa at a vigil for her.

I did get chills when I saw him peeking over that wall. It really was weird and creepy, IMO. I hope the son did not see him, but I hope LE sees the video.

I am deeply disappointed in RC and her words concerning SC. That was not the time. I am more concerned and worried for little ISA than ever now that her aunt and mother seem to be all about SC. I also did not care for the look of excitement on RC's face. Had it been my daughter and so many people were there just for her, I would have been an emotional mess. I would have been so thankful. She almost seemed excited and enjoying herself, IMO.

IMO, so much made about SC at the vigil for ISA took away from it.

I will not even duck any tomatoes being thrown at me for this post. Too many opinions have been attacked when it is clearly stated it is an opinion. Well, this is mine.

MOO, MOO, MOO

Seems like a control issue, see me I am still here. Intimidation of the boy.

 

[white rabbit]

adding to the above (BC's 911 transcript):

A2 – Yeah, I looked everywhere, I even looked … (inaudible) the windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

(how could she have looked everywhere if she didn't check on isa that morning and had JUST arrived home and took the phone from junior???)

 

[deanna82437]

as far as i know....we dont know....we know no details....

From looking at maps this is what I've concluded.

 

[panthera]

Is the way to the garage really through the bathroom?

That doesn't make sense either. That area could be mislabeled and actually is a laundry room?

MOO

 

[callyn]

Is the way to the garage really through the bathroom?

That floor plan is badly flawed. The boy's bedroom on it has NO DOORS. :floorlaugh:

And, to get from the master bedroom to the family room, you would have to go through a bathroom....uh, I for some reason think this floor plan is not terribly accurate.

 

[Prof]

I hate this floor plan. It makes no sense. The door in the fence/wall is to their front door, is it not? It opens into a courtyard to the front door. It looks like the common entry style we see here often. Kind of like...snipped pic... on a less-grand scale. These are not always locked, otherwise no one can get to your front door. Many lock them only overnight.

Thanks. The floor plan does not include the wall or the door/gate of the Celis home.

Yes, there is a wall, with a wooden door, not like the pic you provided (there are pics available), and it leads to a yard and then their front door, but the gate/wall/door was not really part of my point.

My point had to do with the inside of the house, specifically the possibility that a stranger may not have had to walk by SC on the couch to take Isa from her room to say possibly the front door and out that front gate/door.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Is the way to the garage really through the bathroom?

How handy! I always used to have to remind my little ones to "go" right before we ever left the house. And it seemed like they always wanted us to race home because one of them needed to "go" badly again. So, a garage-thru-bathroom would have prolly worked well for us. Lol.

Seriously, this network didn't take proper time to get the real house plan and obviously their mock up is second rate.

 

[mamamia54]

From looking at maps this is what I've concluded.

Now THAT'S an excellent looking floorplan, thank you.

 

[Lava]

Seems like a control issue, see me I am still here. Intimidation of the boy.

Yes, you do not need to be displaying aggression to be intimidating. Just his presence alone can be enough.

 

[Prof]

From looking at maps this is what I've concluded.

Great, thanks. This is good! It's a bit more detailed than the one the local station drew. The county site' floor plan is not much better than the KGUN one either....

 

[prima.facie]

From looking at maps this is what I've concluded.

So, if they went thru the doors, then someone locked up behind them...
because mom said the door was locked. however, she didnt say which door and if both were....but according to her, at least one was closed.

so if dad was in family room, the napper would have to go thru there and KNOW where the door(s) were...they would need to know the layout of the house inside....even we couldnt seem to get it straight w/out a floorplan in front of us. on top of that...no dogs alerting....and dad didnt hear a thing.


eh....this case is :rage::censored:

 

[panthera]

adding to the above (BC's 911 transcript):

A2 – Yeah, I looked everywhere, I even looked … (inaudible) the windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

(how could she have looked everywhere if she didn't check on isa that morning and had JUST arrived home and took the phone from junior???)

And it was the window screen which was removed, not the entire window.

I'd be curious what time he called her, and how long it took her to get home?

MOO

 

[Patty G]

Found a closer shot of Isa's bedroom.

 

[mck16]

adding to the above (BC's 911 transcript):

A2 – Yeah, I looked everywhere, I even looked … (inaudible) the windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.
(how could she have looked everywhere if she didn't check on isa that morning and had JUST arrived home and took the phone from junior???)

Why question that statement and not question that she said they took the window out of our house? It is plain to me she is speaking hysterically. I am not so sure her English is that good especially when excited. jmo

 

[prima.facie]

Found a closer shot of Isa's bedroom.

yeah not sure how an adult would get himself and a 44 lb girl thru that little opening....w/out her fighting and screaming and all of that...

unless they were a small shorty like me lol....even then it would not be easy!!

 

[mamamia54]

Found a closer shot of Isa's bedroom.

In looking at the picture, something came to mind with seeing the electrical box there, had their been a power outage the night before, as a poster who I'm not going to mention told us, about a possible transformer blowing, if people at the home had awakened to no power that morning, would anyone gone out there to see if the power box had an issues? Just wondering to myself and thought I'd post.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

adding to the above (BC's 911 transcript):

A2 – Yeah, I looked everywhere, I even looked … (inaudible) the windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

(how could she have looked everywhere if she didn't check on isa that morning and had JUST arrived home and took the phone from junior???)

But she is obviously upset and not making perfect sense about much at all. She either misunderstood or misspoke in several places.

Even in your quote, above, she says, "Somebody took the window out of our house." Well, FGS, we know that didn't happen and we do know a screen was out of a window. So we know she made a lot of errors.

I believe they can be written off due to the shock of the situation, plus being bilingual. I just don't get the sense that she was covering anything up. :cow:

 

[pieper4]

Thanks. The floor plan does not include the wall or the door/gate of the Celis home.

Yes, there is a wall, with a wooden door, not like the pic you provided (there are pics available), and it leads to a yard and then their front door, but the gate/wall/door was not really part of my point.

My point had to do with the inside of the house, specifically the possibility that a stranger may not have had to walk by SC on the couch to take Isa from her room to say possibly the front door and out that front gate/door.

I have zero faith in that floorplan. Sorry. Dens here are often used as offices or bedrooms, and the word den is often interchangeable with family room. So unfortunately it remains totally unclear in my mind about where SC claimed to be. IMO/JMO/ABC/etc.

I believe someone else asked about the "door being locked or not" since the neighbor kid just opened it freely in some news footage. Sorry.

 

[panthera]

Found a closer shot of Isa's bedroom.

I will concede it wouldn't be too difficult for someone to scale that wall and remove the window screen without being seen, however removing Isabel may be another matter altogether - most likely easier through a door.

MOO

 

[Patty G]

Here is a "generic" floor plan, not of the house, but close to the house.

If anyone has the ability to move some rooms around, this plan might work better. All that really needs to be done with this floor plan, is to mark bedroom #2 as the den. Switch the bathroom and bedroom #3 around, and move bedroom #4 to the side/front of the house.

FWIW

http://www.azhouseplans.com/images/1838.jpg