AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #19

[Ransom]

Just as I speculated. Documents being released on a long Holiday weekend. :banghead: (hope the head bang doesn't offend anyone again, but I have no other icon to use just now). UGH.

 

[Anita Richman]

Honestly, I wouldn't even expect them to field questions, although I have many I'd like to ask.

I'd just like to see them ask the public not to give up on finding Isa. Talk about her, make her REAL to people who just read a line or two about some 'other missing kid'. 'This is Isa, our Isa, please help is find our little girl. '

I understand and I agree, I would like that, too.

I hated in the past, when it was stated, "there is no playbook for grief". But there isn't. Even though it's not what I'd like, I can honestly say I understand or can empathize with why they wouldn't do those things.

 

[white rabbit]

Are you saying both the kids left the property? Sorry, I'm confused about where the older boy was when the person called 911 for him.

yes.

- elder son walked far enough away for the originating 911 caller to have asked him for his address (meaning, he wasn't on 12th street nor in the near vicinity)...

- younger son was, according to SC, in the garage waiting for BC to return home from work...

- elder son arrived home congruent with handing his mother the phone to give more detail to the 911 operator.

- within an hour, according to EC (interviewed by MSM), younger son was in her store asking if she'd seen Isa.

i know nothing more than what's been reported...

 

[Shelby2]

Everything always happens at night with this case...wish I didn't take that melatonin now.

 

[johnQpublic]

I think what it boils down to at this point is LE is letting the cat out of the bag so the scandel can come to an end, the public can see the lies, the parents will fold and stop with thier phoney fund raisers and Isa can be brought home.. IDK but there is a reason behind dumping the case files out to the media.... If you can't make the case stick in court you mine as well let the case ride out in the court of public opinion and see what comes of it. JMO... but seems like what the deal is.

 

[lovelydork]

I agree that Isa needs to be humanized! There are so many missing cases that they begin to just look like pictures after a while. Tell us what one of her favorite phrases was, or what her favorite kind of toy is...something so people can see her come to life in their minds and be reminded that we need to protect that life if we're able to....

 

[time]

I am confused about that too. I think some convenience store? And it took the person 6 minutes to drive 14son back home. IIRC. So he must have ventured a ways that morning. And accepted a ride from a stranger the very morning his sister goes missing.

Unless I am wrong and 14son knew the good samaritan? I really am not clear on this whole piece.

Me neither. And, some here are surmising that Sergio sent him out, but I envision my grandson who is now 19. If that had happened at his house he would have taken off like that and possibly called 911 - although I think the kid ended up creating some confusion with that. Accepting the ride from a strange, if true, yeah possibly not good ... but are you saying it wasn't the person who helped him make the call? Oy vey! I think I am more lost than I knew.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Just as I speculated. Documents being released on a long Holiday weekend. :banghead: (hope the head bang doesn't offend anyone again, but I have no other icon to use just now). UGH.

I think, under the circumstances, it's perfect!

 

[Madeleine74]

I got this visual the other day as I was thinking of how the public watches for clues in this and other cases and tries to guess at what's happening and how LE investigators are proceeding at their jobs:

Imagine you are a worker in a company. Now imagine a bunch of people are trying to figure out what you are doing at work.

Let's say you're generating data to put in a report. Now imagine that hundreds or thousands of people are commenting on what they think you're doing, how you're doing it, whether you really know how to pull data, know how to build a report, what kind of computer you might be using, maybe they doubt you're even working. Then they try to guess what the report might be about. Perhaps clues can be found by looking for your facebook account, or maybe Twitter, or what kind of restaurant you go to. Then they start throwing out theories of it all. Sales forecast! List of debts! Office football pool!

And you, meanwhile, just have to go about your day and do your job and keep focused on it, day after day, while masses of people, who you don't work with, don't know, will likely never work with, like to pretend they work for your employer, are doing your job, and are doing it better/faster/smarter, even though they have no training or experience except they saw some TV shows that had people working on reports at a computer.

That's how I imagine it must feel for LE in all the craziness of a case.

 

[Shelby2]

Placating the public and building perceptions to make the looky-loos feel better has to be pretty low on the priority list.

The case will get solved, if it gets solved, by LE following leads, evidence, and catching some breaks along the way. Someone in Peoria, IL (nice town that it is), is not going to be able to do anything.

As long as LE is working the case, contacting who they need to contact, interviewing and amassing evidence, that's the most important thing. If there's something specific the Tucson and area public need to do, the request will be put out.

Has LE asked for the public's help in the last few weeks? If no, then they don't require anything from the public.

Regardless of what the Celis parents do or don't do or how they interact or don't interact with the media, it doesn't change in anyway what has already happened to Isa on the morning she was taken away from her house. It gives the looky-loos something to focus on and chomp on, and maybe it gives LE some behaviors to analyze, but in the big picture it doesn't do much of anything.

No one has forgotten Isa and LE has not abandoned investigating the case.

LE are the ones who have said they want the parents to reach out to he media.

 

[time]

yes.

- elder son walked far enough away for the originating 911 caller to have asked him for his address (meaning, he wasn't on 12th street nor in the near vicinity)...

- younger son was, according to SC, in the garage waiting for BC to return home from work...

- elder son arrived home congruent with handing his mother the phone to give more detail to the 911 operator.

- within an hour, according to EC (interviewed by MSM), younger son was in her store asking if she'd seen Isa.

i know nothing more than what's been reported...

Thank you for the run down.

 

[Anita Richman]

500-600 pages? If media does a mass drop of the documents, can we divide them up here? My eyes get tired just being 10 pages behind.

I'll brew the coffee.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I think, under the circumstances, it's perfect!

Speaking of timing:

http://www.kpho.com/story/18620417/volunteers-for-isabel-continue-to-paper-the-streets


"Volunteers for Isabel continue to 'paper the streets'

Volunteers were handing out fliers Thursday night in search for 6-year-old Isabel Celis who disappeared more than a month ago from her Tucson home.

On Thursday, the parents of Isabel, Rebecca and Sergio Celis, appeared together for the first time since CBS 5 News learned that child protective services forbid Sergio from seeing his two boys."

 

[makayla]

Don't know if this was posted yet
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153820525.html
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Thank you for posting this video and article - in the video the reporter indicated they would be revealing what is in 140 pages of docs being released (if I heard that correctly) and they said it would be on tonight's news - I hope someone can post a link to it - thanks in advance to anyone who can!

 

[Madeleine74]

LE are the ones who have said they want the parents to reach out to he media.

LE has said they never told the parents not to speak to the media and have encouraged them.

If LE needed something from the public, believe me, they would ask!

 

[Taminator]

I'll brew the coffee.

OMG, I don't even think coffee will work for me.

They need some speed readers...lol.

Anyone want to place bets on who will have the docs posted on their website first?

KVOA
KGUN
KOLD/aka TucsonNewsNow

 

[Lava]

I swear everytime I leave the house there is a development in this case. Unfortunately I dont get oyt much. Still got about 40 minutes until I get home. Luckily I an leaving on vacation tomorrow so hopefully that means a big development and Isabel can come home!

 

[makayla]

OMG! :floorlaugh: john q., you have NO idea how much I needed that laugh right then!

:sweep:

between john q's post and your vacuuming emoticon I am in stitches!:floorlaugh:

 

[Anita Richman]

OMG, I don't even think coffee will work for me.

They need some speed readers...lol.

Anyone want to place bets on who will have the docs posted on their website first?

KVOA
KGUN
KOLD/aka TucsonNewsNow

KGUN I'm an ABC girl from way back.

 

[Whisperer]

Are we on "dump" watch? :waiting: