AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[LisaB]

more info on initial interviews...different interviewer, different timeline....
packet #6, pg3

Why didn't they redact the name of the oldest son? He is 14, and a minor!

 

[txanmom]

I am confused by SC statements.
1. In the 911 call he states that everyone had their showers and then went to bed after which he watched the Diamondbacks game around midnight and fell asleep in the living room.

2. When LE arrives he states that the boys were playing video games and he tucked IC in bed and dimmed the lights and noticed the window was closed. (also, what does dimmed mean, that there was some lights left on in her room?)

3. In the sit down interview at the hotel with local media he says IC walked by him on her way to bed as he asked her if she wanted anything to eat, to which she responded she was tired.

JMOO, but it seems he is changing details instead of adding to them. Am I missing something? I was really tired while trying to read maybe I need to re-read things.

 

[carole]

Oh no.
(2nd set PDF, page 60)
Before the K-9s had to removed because of the heat, one of them hit on a residence at E. Cooper Street that belongs to Min Hahn. Min Hahn the anesthesiologist? Sergio works with an oral surgeon and anesthesiologists.

Did the dog hit at an anesthesiologist’s address? Did Sergio go there to get medical help for something that happened to Isabel that evening?
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-min-hahn-xtl29


Oh no....again.
One officer reported that a resident on East 13th Street said she heard a "dog going crazy barking" at a house on East Cooper Street at about 2 a.m. April 21
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...cle_91fee6b2-df37-5c40-bc2a-20e15fe69299.html

BBM

This is very interesting. I assume that the scent the dog was following was Isabel. The dog was so intent that LE broke into the house because no one was home at the time.

 

[carole]

Why didn't they redact the name of the oldest son? He is 14, and a minor!

I wondered about that, too.

 

[carole]

I am confused by SC statements.
1. In the 911 call he states that everyone had their showers and then went to bed after which he watched the Diamondbacks game around midnight and fell asleep in the living room.

2. When LE arrives he states that the boys were playing video games and he tucked IC in bed and dimmed the lights and noticed the window was closed. (also, what does dimmed mean, that there was some lights left on in her room?)

3. In the sit down interview at the hotel with local media he says IC walked by him on her way to bed as he asked her if she wanted anything to eat, to which she responded she was tired.

JMOO, but it seems he is changing details instead of adding to them. Am I missing something? I was really tired while trying to read maybe I need to re-read things.

Apparently, Sergio is also confused about what happened that night.

 

[LisaB]

If this has been discussed I apologize...what could they possibly need $175k for if in fact the loan info is accurate???

They had a house in foreclosure that they suddenly managed to save, Sergio's parents had health issues, he worked only part time, and, as it has been asked before, how could they afford the Lexus and 2 other cars*, plus that kind of mortgage payment when he wasn't working full time and she was a nurse. Nurses are fairly well compensated, but I can't imagine it was enough to support their lifestyle. Even something as minor as 3 kids in sports can get expensive.

* I think the 4th vehicle reported to be there when LE arrived was the person who brought the oldest son home.

 

[txanmom]

They had a house in foreclosure that they suddenly managed to save, Sergio's parents had health issues, he worked only part time, and, as it has been asked before, how could they afford the Lexus and 2 other cars*, plus that kind of mortgage payment when he wasn't working full time and she was a nurse. Nurses are fairly well compensated, but I can't imagine it was enough to support their lifestyle. Even something as minor as 3 kids in sports can get expensive.

* I think the 4th vehicle reported to be there when LE arrived was the person who brought the oldest son home.

I agree with you on everything, although - I noticed by the years of the cars that they *might* be paid off. The Lexus is 12 yo and the Toyota is 9 yo- so the probably don't have full coverage insurance on them either, JMOO.

 

[Lark2]

I am pretty sure it's the Rodriguez. He is an uncle and lives on the same street. LE impounded his truck where they found a towel witth traces of blood and a knife.

If I am wrong, can someone verify? TIA

Yes, and I believe he was at the Celis home with his wife when LE arrived. And his wife was doing the dishes when they arrived.

Hmmmmm, maybe we've been speculating about the wrong uncle????

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Maybe the "apparent" blood on the floor in Isabel's room either wasn't really all that apparent or was an old blood stain. If it were new and visible, I would think that would be alarming enough to mention during one of the 911 calls ~ certainly as equally important as the missing screen. Yet it was never mentioned. Curious.

 

[makayla]

I haven't read the documents. I'm thinking of cloning myself x 4. Following 3 cases and tending to real life = need 4 of me.

What you posted is very interesting!! If we believe they have not released all documents, perhaps her statement has a lot more to it than what she's been saying on national television. I sort of alluded to it at one time that this young lady knows a heck of a lot more than she's saying. Personally, I think she did get up and look out her window but that's JMO.

When you figure out the cloning thing, will you please post step-by-step instructions? :floorlaugh:

Regarding the neighbor who heard barking dogs and voices, it wouldn't surprise me if there is more to her interview(s), especially since she lives so close . . . perhaps they are not releasing it all at this time. JMHO

 

[LisaB]

I suddenly have a new appreciation for people who have to process these "tips." So far I have seen dreams, speculation, and suggestions so obvious as to be worthless (check the sex offender on her street), as well as sightings that predate her disappearance by more than a week!
I need 2 Tylenol and coffee before I read more...

 

[curiousc]

I haven't read the documents. I'm thinking of cloning myself x 4. Following 3 cases and tending to real life = need 4 of me.

What you posted is very interesting!! If we believe they have not released all documents, perhaps her statement has a lot more to it than what she's been saying on national television. I sort of alluded to it at one time that this young lady knows a heck of a lot more than she's saying. Personally, I think she did get up and look out her window but that's JMO.

I asked last night if there was anything in the documents about what the neighbor had said. I was kindly provided links but did not see anything in there. I, too, find it interesting that her recount of that morning is not in those documents.

 

[LisaB]

Don't forget Sergio saying 6:47. Which is kinda precise, but meh? And 6:47 is almost 7. Still, it all seems like a pretty easy question to answer but what a cluster duck. :maddening:

I assume there is a clock in the bedroom. I have one, and most people do. If I hear something knock over trashcans in the rear alley, and glance at the clock, and see 3:42... when I am later asked what time I heard it, I would probably say 3:42, not round it up or down, since I know precisely, having looked at the clock.

There's a minor complication in that my bedroom clock is set 10 minutes fast (not intentionally, screwed it up once setting the alarm and just haven't fixed it), so I would probably realize that at some point, and if asked again, might say I heard the noise at 3:32.

As for Becky, her coworkers seem to think she was there by 7:30 (latest), so she could not have left the home at 7:30. I see that we are getting summaries rather that quotes, and wonder if she said she "left, for work at 7:30" instead of "left at 7:30 for work." When I ask my sprog what time she has to work, she tells me the time her shift starts, not what time she is leaving the house.

"I went to work at 7:30" could mean she went to work, which began at 7:30 OR that she left the house at 7:30 to go to work.

I an still weirded out by the fact that Isabel's name is redacted, in spite of the WORLD knowing who she is, and the younger brother's name is redacted, but the 14 year-old's name is NEVER redacted. It isn't just the one page I mentioned earlier, I keep seeing it as I page through this stuff.

I think that Sergio saying he had gone to see if Isa was in with the boys (pkt 6, pg 3), may be the source of Nancy's "reports out there" that Isabel slept with her brothers. As a parent, if the room was well lit by sun or a lamp, I can't imagine not noticing blood in the room of my missing child. He never mentioned it to LE on the scene or in the 911 call.

 

[Patty G]

I asked last night if there was anything in the documents about what the neighbor had said. I was kindly provided links but did not see anything in there. I, too, find it interesting that her recount of that morning is not in those documents.

There is one simple statement regarding the neighbor: "she heard voices on the morning of the incident."

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[txanmom]

I asked last night if there was anything in the documents about what the neighbor had said. I was kindly provided links but did not see anything in there. I, too, find it interesting that her recount of that morning is not in those documents.

PDF 1 page 63 SC mentions the neighbor hearing barking at 6am. He says he NEVER heard the dogs bark all night. That is all I could find.

 

[DIRK SCHILLER]

Screens are normally on the outside of windows, not inside.

As to your last question, nobody knows what they would do the first thing, until it happens. Sometimes our reactions to things are totally different than what we expect them to be.

well I was wondering whether the screen has been moved from the inside of the house by Isa´s dad or someone else to the ground outside, and NOT from the outside to the floor of Isa´s room , I´ve read other similar case to this one where the father has probably taken her daughter away:

WAS IS STAGED?



http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...179154768.html

http://www.mako.org.au/eloiseworledge1.html

 

[LisaB]

OK< So in packet 1, pg 62-63, Sergio tells us the story of how he tucked her in, dimmed her light, and kissed his daughter good night.

So why did he tell us that other version, where he was in the kitchen, and she walked by,and he asked if she was hungry and she said ' No Daddy, I am tired' and she went to her room to bed? WHY did he tell that story on tv instead of this one, where he tucked her in and kissed her goodnight?

Good catch!

 

[Eileen730]

So we have ppl hearing dogs at 2 am and then another neighbour hearing dogs barking like crazy at 6:30 am.

hmmmmmmm

Yes as you read the police reports they spoke to the woman that heard dogs barking at 2 am and they said this was verified by another person
Somewhere in this link is that statement.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563522/pdf-celis-1-blood-on-seat-testimony-from-neighbor

 

[txanmom]

Good catch!

Jumping off your post, I stated this on page 21, and I stated it last night and the general theme last night was that he was only adding details, but IMO/JMO he is changing the entire story. It is a big difference kissing, tucking in, and dimming lights, from just a casual walk-by where she put herself to bed.

 

[txanmom]

I think it was staged!
Im wondering if one of the boys is involved!

is the bedroom in the northeast portion of the house (referencing the twin bed, pillow and gaming chair) the boys room?