AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #22

[callyn]

Quoting myself...??? I am STRAIGHT ha ha
and not inclined to the other way-oh how do we stop this train lol???

:floorlaugh: I feel a rumor coming on >>>>>>:woohoo:

 

[GutFeeling!]

12 members at this hour .... that is sad.

 

[liz b.]

I understood it that Isa does not fluently speak Spanish but that she does understand it being spoken to her..


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[cluciano63]

12 members at this hour .... that is sad.

What is there to say...

 

[spoiledmom]

Bumping up for Isa

 

[Madeleine74]

Other than being on the lookout or spotting a child who looks like Isa, or doing searches or handing out flyers, if requested, the public really can't do anything else.

Knowing what time RC left to go to work does what exactly? It's an investigative detail for police because they are investigating the family and building a legal case. Telling people outside of the investigation makes no sense--all it can do is feed the appetite of gossipmongers or people who like to play detective.

The public does not have a right to know every detail of an ongoing investigation. That may anger people, but it's the way it is.

And, I'll go a step further than that. After watching the debacle of the "public's help" in the Caylee case, I'd say the public is often a nuisance at best or downright dangerous at the worst. Jeff Ashton had that same sentiment that he expressed in interviews. All the thousands, hundreds of thousands, probably millions of discussions and speculation on the Internetweb didn't do diddly squat in the Caylee case. Lots of innocent people got hurt, got dragged through the mud, had their privacy violated by people who thought they were "helping." You know what did work though? Threatening to boycott any network or publisher who might help KC profit from telling her story. That is what the public can do to help. And let LE do their thing.

If one is feeling helpless and angry, help raise money for Klaas Kids or the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children or TES.

 

[pieper4]

I am not aware if Isabel does or not but I agree they should given the community that it attracts

I believe it was stated somewhere that she understood Spanish but spoke primarily English. I wish I recalled where, though.

 

[Starry Night]

Madelaine-in this day's crime investigation world it is probably most important to keep details close to the vest-thanks for that reminder. It is quite a war. No boundaries.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Other than being on the lookout or spotting a child who looks like Isa, or doing searches or handing out flyers, if requested, the public really can't do anything else.

Knowing what time RC left to go to work does what exactly? It's an investigative detail for police because they are investigating the family and building a legal case. Telling people outside of the investigation makes no sense--all it can do is feed the appetite of gossipmongers or people who like to play detective.

The public does not have a right to know every detail of an ongoing investigation. That may anger people, but it's the way it is.

And, I'll go a step further than that. After watching the debacle of the "public's help" in the Caylee case, I'd say the public is often a nuisance at best or downright dangerous at the worst. Jeff Ashton had that same sentiment that he expressed in interviews. All the thousands, hundreds of thousands, probably millions of discussions and speculation on the Internetweb didn't do diddly squat in the Caylee case. Lots of innocent people got hurt, got dragged through the mud, had their privacy violated by people who thought they were "helping." You know what did work though? Threatening to boycott any network or publisher who might help KC profit from telling her story. That is what the public can do to help. And let LE do their thing.

If one is feeling helpless and angry, help raise money for Klaas Kids or the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children or TES.

BBM - I often agree with you and always feel I understand where you are coming from ... but I have to ask ... whatcha doing here? lol Don't take that as snarky or anything, I enjoy investigating things, I do it in real life and look and learn here - call myself a sleuther but really playing detective.

There are ways people can help though, I will never agree that giving as much information as possible helps - a good example is this case - press conferences stop and people lose interest. Compare that to Caylee's case where she went missing and months after information was still being shared - she was found. Isn't that what we want for Isabel?

The outcome of the trial had nothing to do with what the public knew, that was all decided by a jury. I still wish that someone on that jury DID follow the case like many of us, the outcome would have been very different.

 

[Madeleine74]

BBM - I often agree with you and always feel I understand where you are coming from ... but I have to ask ... whatcha doing here?

Following the updates of a few different crime cases and seeing which ones have been resolved, etc. WS is a good one-stop-shop to get caught up on cases without having to go out and Google each one separately. I'm not a detective and I don't work in LE or the legal field; I'm a member of the general public just like the majority of people posting.

However, I've followed enough cases over the years to know that LE is not going to divulge details to the public that are part of their core case unless they need something from the public. Folks who are new(er) to missing person and crime cases often don't realize they will not get the inside info until a case goes to trial. Sure, they'll get lots of "bombshell" snippets of stuff from NG and JVM, but the salient info will be preserved for legal reasons.

 

[Madeleine74]

Caylee was found because a utility worker either randomly walked into that area to relieve himself (and saw the remains) or, he got a tip from someone he knows who overheard something at the jail Casey was in and went to that area. That's how her remains were found. All the prior searches, the public standing in front of the Anthony home, tracking the personal lives of people who knew Casey, and the general hysteria and hoopla in the community, etc. did not locate Caylee.

There was no risk of Caylee being forgotten. Isa's case will not be abandoned or forgotten either.

 

[Stash777]

Following the updates of a few different crime cases and seeing which ones have been resolved, etc. WS is a good one-stop-shop to get caught up on cases without having to go out and Google each one separately. I'm not a detective and I don't work in LE or the legal field; I'm a member of the general public just like the majority of people posting.

However, I've followed enough cases over the years to know that LE is not going to divulge details to the public that are part of their core case unless they need something from the public. Folks who are new(er) to missing person and crime cases often don't realize they will not get the inside info until a case goes to trial. Sure, they'll get lots of "bombshell" snippets of stuff from NG and JVM, but the salient info will be preserved for legal reasons.

Just need to preface this with the statement that I don't mean for this to come off as snarky.

I am new to missing persons and crime cases in general (and WS), but I do not believe or expect to find inside info here (yes, I read the word "often" so not necessarily disagreeing with you there). I agree WS is a great place to get updated info on a case, but I also believe that it's a great place to hear others' input/speculation to possibly put pieces together. Piecing together what is known to the public adds a fresh set of eyes (so to speak), which can help lead to new tips and hopefully a possible break in the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that's what WS was about? It's not about trying to solve a case before LE does, but to maybe, just maybe, put a few things together that LE might not have noticed or overlooked in order to provide a tip that might help solve a case. At least that's how I see WS...BWDIK?

 

[Madeleine74]

Everyone gets to decide for themselves what the purpose of WS is to them. I tend not to speculate because I'm only interested in the facts and getting the real story...whenever that comes out....which is usually at trial.

If it's helpful to believe that law enforcement will change their tactic and spill inside case details, then go for it! I've not seen it happen in cases I've followed, and I have no expectation of it happening in this case, but maybe LE will surprise me.

If there's some specific way to help LE find Isa beyond the searches, beyond passing out flyers, beyond candlelight vigils, then I look forward to hearing what LE is requesting. So far I haven't seen anything from them.

 

[Dr. Know?]

hmmm. I guess WS doesn't mean much to some. That bite in the butt at trial sure will! lol

 

[Stash777]

Everyone gets to decide for themselves what the purpose of WS is to them. I tend not to speculate because I'm only interested in the facts and getting the real story...whenever that comes out....which is usually at trial.

If it's helpful to believe that law enforcement will change their tactic and spill inside case details, then go for it! I've not seen it happen in cases I've followed, and I have no expectation of it happening in this case, but maybe LE will surprise me.

If there's some specific way to help LE find Isa beyond the searches, beyond passing out flyers, beyond candlelight vigils, then I look forward to hearing what LE is requesting. So far I haven't seen anything from them.

I respect that.

And just for the record, I don't believe for a second that LE will change their tactic nor do I want them to...I would hope that they keep the most sensitive info and/or evidence out of the public eye to preserve the integrity of the investigation when it goes to trial. When I speculate, which is not often, I ask for other WSers to poke holes in it to flesh out the "truth" - whether through MSM articles that contradict or personal/professional experience. I am of the thought that you (generally speaking) disprove a theory rather than find things that might support it...and just because you (generally) cannot disprove the theory doesn't make the theory true.

And, at the very least, these threads help keep Isa in the forefront of some minds. Where are you Isa??

 

[pieper4]

Not that it matters one iota, but I spent the afternoon/evening with more than one party to the investigation.

I have faith in TPD. Whether misplaced, only time will tell. But living here (Tucson) and seeing nothing but fund raising for flyers and no ongoing searches, that tells me a lot. Either this is a cold case, or it is a waiting game for a POI or POIs to slip up. I hope for the latter.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Not that it matters one iota, but I spent the afternoon/evening with more than one party to the investigation.

I have faith in TPD. Whether misplaced, only time will tell. But living here (Tucson) and seeing nothing but fund raising for flyers and no ongoing searches, that tells me a lot. Either this is a cold case, or it is a waiting game for a POI or POIs to slip up. I hope for the latter.

eh - I reckon that matters lol Wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall there lol

What do you think it is ? Cold or waiting game?

 

[Stash777]

Not that it matters one iota, but I spent the afternoon/evening with more than one party to the investigation.

I have faith in TPD. Whether misplaced, only time will tell. But living here (Tucson) and seeing nothing but fund raising for flyers and no ongoing searches, that tells me a lot. Either this is a cold case, or it is a waiting game for a POI or POIs to slip up. I hope for the latter.

Respectfully BBM

That's the direction I'm leaning at this point. In the Sierra Lamar case LE had the suspect/POI on surveillance for approx. 2 months but didn't make the arrest until recently.

As a local, do you know if the lack of searches and requests for no volunteer searchers is mainly due to the climate? I've been to AZ before and know how hot it can get, so I was wondering if that has more to do with the lack of searches?

ETA: As opposed to possible info/evidence they may have that might keep them from requesting/allowing volunteer searchers?

 

[pieper4]

eh - I reckon that matters lol Wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall there lol

What do you think it is ? Cold or waiting game?

I solidly believe it's the latter; a waiting game. A combination of gut instinct bolstered by information gleaned... or interpreted. Which is why I am quick to state I could be VERY wrong.

I live here, as do many other posters here on WS. I question the fund raising for more flyers. Seriously, I have not been in a single establishment since the day the news broke that didn't have at least one flyer or poster. And I live NE of Tucson proper. Most have many variations posted prominently; even the most obscure places. I'm not sure I want to delve into the financial aspects of the fund raising, but I do sincerely believe that we do not need more flyers. We have no searches ongoing. No outside search groups have become involved that we are aware of. Do I think the entire Los Reales or other search sites were more than a perfunctory effort? No, I do not. They appear to me to be simply a required step -- crossing the T's and dotting the I's.

But I could be very wrong. I pray it's not a cold case.

 

[pieper4]

Respectfully BBM

That's the direction I'm leaning at this point. In the Sierra Lamar case LE had the suspect/POI on surveillance for approx. 2 months but didn't make the arrest until recently.

As a local, do you know if the lack of searches and requests for no volunteer searchers is mainly due to the climate? I've been to AZ before and know how hot it can get, so I was wondering if that has more to do with the lack of searches?

ETA: As opposed to possible info/evidence they may have that might keep them from requesting/allowing volunteer searchers?

The reality here, IMO, is that civilian searches are definitely dangerous. Today it was 110 on my patio. Which is why I headed for the mountains. I'm an avid hiker, yet about a month ago I was hiking well south of here at Picacho Peak (cooler than Tucson) and nearly succumbed to the heat... despite knowledge of the desert terrain and the fluid requirements. We don't need civilian searches.

My belief is that LE doesn't "need" searches in the desert areas. If they do, they have been remiss in not calling in the various resources available. I would like to dismiss that as a possible scenario. We have viable search resources which don't seem to have been employed.