AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #22

[Lark2]

Interesting. On the one hand, they believe it was an abduction and they do have several suspects they're investigating. On the other hand, the parents have not been ruled out as suspects and they again bring up the no contact agreement. Talk about leaving the public hanging in the wind.

For those of us who believe that the parents are the suspects, this just solidifies our theory.

 

[Lark2]

http://www.azpm.org/news/story/2012/6/4/1558-police-on-missing-tucson-girl-there-are-suspects/

Police On Isabel: There Are Suspects
Story By Fernanda Echavarri

juni 4, 2012


MAKE SURE TO LISTEN TO THE MP3 INTERVIEW (in the newsreport) with Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villaseñor because there is more, IMO, very interesting info in the interview than in the written newsreport.

Thank you, very interesting.

 

[Dr. Know?]

JM has updates on his Douglas DUI. I think it means Final Trial Part (FTP)?

You might have to enter his name again. Go to minutes search & enter the case number.

CR-201100587

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx

6/22/2012 CAL: TKL FTP
6/1/2012 COMMENTS

 

[Lark2]

Sergio said that the outflow of prayer for Isabel is the biggest since 9/11. I feel like this degree of delusion is significant. For Sergio to state something like that...when we have had other famous cases, other significant terrorist attacks, natural disasters like Katrina and the 2004 Tsunami, the wars, Rwanda genocide, poverty throughout the word, disease....It just makes go...:what:.

Thank you! ...I thought the same thing when i watched the interview this time. The greatest since 9/11 ....Not to mention The Japanese nuclear disaster and...all the other "abducted" victims who are in danger as long as IC's "abductor" and the rest are out there! :-(SC called it " an Event" !?! ( a few times) ( get your tickets)

"Cottage industry"came to my mind with the rosary beads, bracelets, shirts, etc. I may be out of line here, or have a different perspective, but I simply cannot fathom the need for more flyers or banners in Tucson at least. The bracelets, etc. strike me more as a show of support and a thank you token for a donation than an effort to spread the word.

Yep, step right up and get your purple bracelet, t-shirt, rosary beads, to help raise awareness for Isabel (forget the media, they ask too many questions). Become a part of the largest outflow of prayer since 911! If we sell enough bracelets, we can bring Isabel home.

Is that how it works???? What am I missing???

 

[Dr. Know?]

The FTP probably means Failure to appear or pay on JM's record.

AZlawyer? Gitana?

 

[Jules71]

The FTP probably means Failure to appear or pay on JM's record.

It's set in the future though. 6/22/2012

CAL: TKL FTP

Thinking the CAL is for calendar.

 

[Lark2]

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Yep, step right up and get your purple bracelet, t-shirt, rosary beads, to help raise awareness for Isabel (forget the media, they ask too many questions). Become a part of the largest outflow of prayer since 911! If we sell enough bracelets, we can bring Isabel home.

Is that how it works???? What am I missing???

Oh yeah, and I forgot, there are 3 easy ways to donate: you can walk into any Wells Fargo Bank nationwide and make a donation to the Bring Isa Home fund; donate through the Tuscon Medical Center; or donate online through Facebook! How convenient!

Keep an eye out for the next car wash, spaghetti dinner, raffle, and balloon launch! You won't want to miss an opportunity to donate there, too!

 

[iSleuth]

For those of us who believe that the parents are the suspects, this just solidifies our theory.

I still stand by the nature of the word abduction. but, I'm a teacher( it's my nature)- it's from the Latin. <To Take out of a place> - yes we know Isa was " taken out" abduction may imply force. BUt I think it's an interesting choice of words from LE

They did not say a stranger abduction, a non family abduction, and they did not say Kidnapped. and they brought up the CPS family separation - again.

Also, the fact that TPD keeps bringing up the cost of the investigation( daily it seems) makes me think that is bait for anyone who might be covering up and possibly leading future charges "false reports of abduction" As we are watching in the case of ( she who shall not be named) she has to cover those lost costs.

They may have to sell a lot more bracelets and buttons if that is the case.
:-(
:couch:

 

[FrayedKnot]

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Yep, step right up and get your purple bracelet, t-shirt, rosary beads, to help raise awareness for Isabel (forget the media, they ask too many questions). Become a part of the largest outflow of prayer since 911! If we sell enough bracelets, we can bring Isabel home.

Is that how it works???? What am I missing???

I have had to sit on my hands to keep from typing lots of characters from the shift/number keys.

This has bugged the living crap out of me from the first! It's all show, no substance! Bracelets, stickers, rosaries, Ava Maria! But it's all greasepaint!

They can't answer a simple @#(&&%* question like "When did RC go to work?" but they are pimping out this junk for people to BUY and the money will go to WHAT, exactly?

NOBODY IS SEARCHING FOR ISA! Nobody is talking to the press, asking the public to please keep your eyes open for this little girl! So what do they need donations and trinket sales for? WHAT????? Jumping Jeebus, these people make me SICK! :maddening:

Of course she isn't coming home. And those parents know it, because they know exactly what happened to her and were at the VERY least indirectly responsible for it. They know there is no hope so they are in CYA mode, not "find Isa" mode. And it stinks to high heaven and I hope they get arrested SOON. :jail:

/conniption fit

 

[iSleuth]

Without regard to Sergio's comment about his beautiful daughter, I have a difficult time believing that the Celis would be able to toss Isabel's body somewhere like trash. As Catholics, I'm sure that they know that human life is to be treated with dignity at all stages, and the body respected in death.

2300 The bodies of the dead must be treated with respect and charity, in faith and hope of the Resurrection. The burial of the dead is a corporal work of mercy; it honors the children of God, who are temples of the Holy Spirit.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

If Isabel died in the Celis home due to an accident, I doubt that her parents would have allowed her body to be desecrated by the elements. Rather, I believe that they would have contacted extended family to help them find a place to give Isabel a proper burial, perhaps in Mexico. While it gives me the heebie-jeebies to even think about it, that both parents emphasized Isabel's braids in interviews leaves me wondering if Isabel was dressed beautifully and her hair lovingly braided prior to her removal from the home to be laid to rest. :moo:

Yes, I was thinking about that a lot. But...RC says herself they are probably praying the rosary wrong. So that may show...(even though that is by no means saying she lacks faith) they may not have been that active, or invested in their religion of origin previous to her " abduction".

JMOO

to say nothing of making rosaries part of the bringIsaHome Franchise

 

[Jules71]

Who is running the bringisahome website and volunteer center? How soon after Isa was "abducted" was the website up? It does seem like an elaborate operation and I agree with others in wondering what the donations are going to besides fliers.

I still wonder about BC's brother and his phone/texts and truck. I think that is odd.

I have a hard time believing Isa's family killed her - but I can see how they might disappear her and stage her abduction in a money making effort. I just don't know how they think they would be able to get away with it.

I hope TPD can get to the bottom of this soon.

 

[Lark2]

For anyone who doubts that the parents could do this for money, Kat77 found an interview with the parents on a blog talk site that is VERY revealing. They and their spokesperson spend more time talkig about how to donate than talking about Isabel herself. Kat wasn't sure it could be lnked here- and I'm not sure, either, But resourceful people can find it and listen. It is from May 6. In the interview, Sergio comments that sales of the purple bracelets "are doing well." He's pushing the t-shirts, lol.

 

[Madeleine74]

The word "abduction" has been debated overAndover. Since LE cannot exclude the Celis immediate family (this means Isa's parents) from the list of potential suspects, it stands to reason that when LE is using the term "abduction" it's in the most generic sense of the word: Isa did not leave the house on her own, of her own volition. Someone was the cause for her being removed from the house. Yes, it could be one of her parents, even though we don't think of a parent "abducting" their own child.

 

[Lark2]

:goodpost: :maddening: :jail: :banghead: :woohoo:

I have had to sit on my hands to keep from typing lots of characters from the shift/number keys.

This has bugged the living crap out of me from the first! It's all show, no substance! Bracelets, stickers, rosaries, Ava Maria! But it's all greasepaint!

They can't answer a simple @#(&&%* question like "When did RC go to work?" but they are pimping out this junk for people to BUY and the money will go to WHAT, exactly?

NOBODY IS SEARCHING FOR ISA! Nobody is talking to the press, asking the public to please keep your eyes open for this little girl! So what do they need donations and trinket sales for? WHAT????? Jumping Jeebus, these people make me SICK! :maddening:

Of course she isn't coming home. And those parents know it, because they know exactly what happened to her and were at the VERY least indirectly responsible for it. They know there is no hope so they are in CYA mode, not "find Isa" mode. And it stinks to high heaven and I hope they get arrested SOON. :jail:

/conniption fit

 

[Lava]

Yes, I was thinking about that a lot. But...RC says herself they are probably praying the rosary wrong. So that may show...(even though that is by no means saying she lacks faith) they may not have been that active, or invested in their religion of origin previous to her " abduction".

JMOO

to say nothing of making rosaries part of the bringIsaHome Franchise

If you go through RCs facebook history, you will see that she has some comments suggesting that she wasn't religious. At one point she said she didn't go to church but she felt an urge to take her children one Sunday.

It doesn't make an ounce of difference to me, so I don't want anyone to think that I think this means something. Just stating a fact. Now, if I actually knew what happened I could make some suggestions of theories based on that. Some could take it as an innocent family leaning on religion like many others do during times of stress and trauma. Others may think it is guilty family member(s) taking advantage of the religious community. I am sure there are other things people will think as well.

 

[Madeleine74]

If there's no hope for Isa coming home it means she's deceased. And if the parents know that it's because one or both or them are responsible for her life ending--either directly or indirectly.

Let's do some simple math. What % of time is a child "sold" to pay off a debt or something related? .000001%? What % of time when a child goes missing and it's the result of one or both of the parents AND the parents are not searching, is the child likely deceased as a direct cause of something one or both parents did? 99.999999%.

IMO, monies would be better spent going to organizations like Klaas Kids, and TES, which would be used to fund programs that would actually do something other than line someone's pockets.

 

[Jules71]

When you go to the bringisahome website and click on donate - it brings you to a paypal page and the person receiving your funds is ramon angel rangel. Does anyone know who this is?

 

[luvmydogs]

Who is running the bringisahome website and volunteer center? How soon after Isa was "abducted" was the website up? It does seem like an elaborate operation and I agree with others in wondering what the donations are going to besides fliers.

I still wonder about BC's brother and his phone/texts and truck. I think that is odd.

I have a hard time believing Isa's family killed her - but I can see how they might disappear her and stage her abduction in a money making effort. I just don't know how they think they would be able to get away with it.

I hope TPD can get to the bottom of this soon.

From a local perspective and I do know personally several nurses that work at TMC Pediatrics ER (but I don't personally know Becky) . . . the foundation started fairly soon after the disappearance. But it was started through Becky's co-workers, they saw people donating money and they opened it as part of the Tucsom Medical Center Children's Foundation. The first Find Isabel facebook page was created by a stranger to family, Steve (just a good samaritin), and soon the "official" Find Isabel Merceded facebook page was created. They worked in conjuction for a bit, but a couple of weeks into the disappearance Steve handed over the facebook and twitter pages to the "official site" and I think the person running the pages is Heather, a fellow nurse. I believe the main people coordinating the volunteer center are Becky's co-workers. How much involvement they have on a day to day, I'm not sure.

The friend I have who personally knows the nurses (she is related to one and good friends with a handful of others) is very touchy when I ask ?s. I guess I don't hide my feelings well about the situation.

 

[white rabbit]

When you go to the bringisahome website and click on donate - it brings you to a paypal page and the person receiving your funds is ramon angel rangel. Does anyone know who this is?

not an easy sleuth.

i think he's a plumber?

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/officer-detail.p?corp-id=L10386764

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If there's no hope for Isa coming home it means she's deceased. And if the parents know that it's because one or both or them are responsible for her life ending--either directly or indirectly.

Let's do some simple math. What % of time is a child "sold" to pay off a debt or something related? .000001%? What % of time when a child goes missing and it's the result of one or both of the parents AND the parents are not searching, is the child likely deceased as a direct cause of something one or both parents did? 99.999999%.

IMO, monies would be better spent going to organizations like Klaas Kids, and TES, which would be used to fund programs that would actually do something other than line someone's pockets.

I know this is not popular opinion but I never go by statistics when neither the child nor the perp has been found and the case isnt resolved. Until those two events happens there is no way to know what statistical group Isa is in.

Marlene Lamar never joined in on the actual searches either and LE will ask the family members to not join in the actual searches for their loved ones and they have good reasons for not wanting them to do so. She did as the Celis family is doing and is making sure fliers are passed out and put up in businesses and every area the owners of the property will let them put one up. I also believe a fund was set up for the Lamar family to aide them in putting up fliers and whatever else they thought was necessary.

I am under the impression Marc's team is still in CA looking for Sierra's remains. From what some locals have said a lot of the property is privately owned and there are also historial things that cant be disturbed. Tim Miller would only come in if he had permission from TPD to come in. He always makes sure they are on board and are ok with it when he comes to search any area.

IMO