AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #22

[pieper4]

Doesn't make any sense to me either. I think its strange that she is 44 inches tall and weighs 44 lbs.

The average height for a 6 y/o female is about 43 lbs. The average height is around 45 lbs (at least at the 50th percentile). Personally I wouldn't necessarily know an exact height or weight for my kids at that age... I might remember their last pediatrician's appointment stats, but those could be several months old.

 

[joedotnet]

I noticed that "BringIsaHome" "Follows" every Twitter account that is their "Follower".

Yup and obviously they don't read their followers tweets; otherwise, I'm sure they would have deleted me by now.

 

[soyesterday]

Yup and obviously they don't read their followers tweets; otherwise, I'm sure they would have deleted me by now.

They "follow" everyone that follows them? I'm gonna go follow them. I keep meaning to look at it. I'm on Twitter ALL the time.

 

[liz b.]

Well, what's strange is RC said she thinks Isabel was wearing a navy blue tank. I thought she braided her hair before she went to bed for the game the next day, after they all had showers. They don't know what she had on before she went to sleep? SC said he went in her room, told her goodnight, dimmed the light, but he also said he last saw her as she walked by. He asked her if she was hungry, she told him no, she was tired.

So I don't know, maybe she dressed herself before going to sleep, but if she had that shirt and it wasn't in the bedroom, then why wouldn't it be that shirt she had on? It kind of makes me wonder if some of her clothes were missing and they think that's the shirt she had on. If so, why would an abductor take clothes for her, unless they knew her and wanted to keep her? JMO and just a scenario to question.

It does sound like possibly some clothes were missing..MOO I wonder if her shoes were in the bedroom ? JMO

 

[Anita Richman]

When police visited the Celis home before her disappearance, it was over graffiti in the neighborhood. According to reports released by TPD and reported on KGUN.

 

[pieper4]

When police visited the Celis home before her disappearance, it was over graffiti in the neighborhood. According to reports released by TPD and reported on KGUN.

I haven't seen this report, but wouldn't be surprised it was a "routine" neighborhood incident. Particularly with a teenager in the house. Not saying the son(s) had anything to do with it... just that those types of incidents are often attributed to teen boys.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I tried doing a search for the graffiti news from KGUN and can only find examiner articles & JQP's post for now.

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Whatever it was it doesn't appear the children were removed? Maybe monitored. If anyone finds the link yell. I'll check KGUN's site tomorrow.

 

[pieper4]

I tried doing a search for the graffiti news from KGUN and can only find examiner articles & JQP's post for now.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #22

Whatever it was it doesn't appear the children were removed? Maybe monitored. If anyone finds the link yell. I'll check KGUN's site tomorrow.

I did a quick search, too. Again, I wouldn't be surprised, but am now curious.

 

[Dr. Know?]

This was posted May 19th. I see a long wall in the picture. It has this statement in it & sounds to be these were some of the larger arrests? Just found it interesting.

Tucson Police Cracking Down On Graffiti
Even authorities have stepped in, resulting in almost 20 arrests. "We've never accomplished that before. These are both juveniles and adults," says Captain Bill Washington, with Tucson Police Department.

"One was an adult that had two felony warrants another was a youth who had drugs on him to sell. So they're catching other criminals, their not just taggers," adds Garza.

Adults caught tagging receive mandatory 48 hours in jail and are required to complete 80 hours of community service. They must also pay a $250 fine. Juveniles receive even stiffer fines and have their driver's licenses suspended.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=5716392&nav=14RT

 

[pieper4]

This was posted May 19th. I see a long wall in the picture. It has this statement in it & sounds to be these were some of the larger arrests? Just found it interesting.

Tucson Police Cracking Down On Graffiti
Even authorities have stepped in, resulting in almost 20 arrests. "We've never accomplished that before. These are both juveniles and adults," says Captain Bill Washington, with Tucson Police Department.

"One was an adult that had two felony warrants another was a youth who had drugs on him to sell. So they're catching other criminals, their not just taggers," adds Garza.

Adults caught tagging receive mandatory 48 hours in jail and are required to complete 80 hours of community service. They must also pay a $250 fine. Juveniles receive even stiffer fines and have their driver's licenses suspended.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=5716392&nav=14RT

KOLD, eh? Is that wall in their area? I certainly don't know... It doesn't look familiar to me.

 

[gngr~snap]

Doesn't make any sense to me either. I think its strange that she is 44 inches tall and weighs 44 lbs.

Pediatric nurse here. Since 1989.
(typically)
That happens all the time from about age 3 to 6.
I found it to be most common at the 5 yr check up.

Babies should triple their birth weight by one year.
7# , 21 inches at birth
21# , 30 inches at first birthday.
Then the weight gain slows down considerably- as the
height continues to increase at a more rapid rate.

At two years of age a child may weigh only 30# but is USUALLY already 1/2 of what their adult height will be. A 36 inch 2 year old will end up approx 72 inches (6 ft)

You end up with 38 inches 38# at 3
44# 44 inches at 5 (or 6) etc...

As kids age their height ends up beng less than their weight
and it stays that way for life.

*this is just a general rule for growth and does not apply to ALL children!
DNA does factor in as well as the height and weight of the parents

just a lil FYI

 

[Whisperer]

Well, what's strange is RC said she thinks Isabel was wearing a navy blue tank. I thought she braided her hair before she went to bed for the game the next day, after they all had showers. They don't know what she had on before she went to sleep? SC said he went in her room, told her goodnight, dimmed the light, but he also said he last saw her as she walked by. He asked her if she was hungry, she told him no, she was tired.

So I don't know, maybe she dressed herself before going to sleep, but if she had that shirt and it wasn't in the bedroom, then why wouldn't it be that shirt she had on? It kind of makes me wonder if some of her clothes were missing and they think that's the shirt she had on. If so, why would an abductor take clothes for her, unless they knew her and wanted to keep her? JMO and just a scenario to question.

Well, whoever packed her clothes must have also wiped down her dresser. So did this perp climb through the window with furniture cleaner? If that dresser had no prints, then Isa's dresser was not touched, meaning no clothes were put in or taken out after the cleaning by anyone in the family, even Isa!

LE saw blood though....go figure! The only way they would know it is apparent blood is if was fairly fresh and still red. By now LE knows whose blood it is. I wonder how much was there.

Who would need to wipe down a dresser? Not a perp, unless the dresser played a role in her kidnapping. Usually, it is in quick and out quick. Who would want there fingerprints removed from the dresser? LE said the person did an adequate job removing evidence from where they would normally look. I don't know about you guys but I find that statement a bombshell.

 

[MBK]

I am looking at the fliers on the bringisahome site and noticed in one flier it says there is no info regarding what she was last wearing and then on another it gives last wearing navy blue tank and shorts. Also one fliers says Becky left at 7:30 but the info on the main page says she left at 6:30. Why the discrepancies?

http://bringisahome.com/fliers/

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Busy night.

You know, I find that sometimes when I haven't slept well, or am awake early, sometimes I just head off to work early.

Also, it was probably "best" that she get out of there EARLY, because if she was in the house TOO long getting ready, it might seem even more odd that a mother didn't check in on her children before going off for work.

 

[MBK]

I am looking at the fliers on the bringisahome site and noticed in one flier it says there is no info regarding what she was last wearing and then on another it gives last wearing navy blue tank and shorts. Also one fliers says Becky left at 7:30 but the info on the main page says she left at 6:30. Why the discrepancies?

http://bringisahome.com/fliers/

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Also, with the bedtime attire (if anyone here is going to complain about us discussing this, please don't waste the space!) . .. .well, heck, IMO, Isabel NEVER WENT TO BED.

Or, let's put it this way, Isabel wore something to the game that Friday evening, obviously. What it was, I don't think we know.

Poor kid, I'll bet she was exhausted . . I mean, she was probably up for school by 7:00 am at the latest. If she just dropped into bed wearing the clothes she had on, it would be no surprise.

However, Mom makes a big deal about this supposed elaborate ponytail braid hairstyle, and Dad mentions that Isabel had her hair done . .. and also that they had ALL taken their showers . . . so OOPS! I guess Isabel had to change into SOMETHING else before going to bed! Hence, the changey-switchey attire deal. So yeah, I'll say it before and I'll say it again, I would really love to know what Isabel was wearing to the baseball game. And how the alleged "worn while she was abducted" attire differs from that.

 

[MBK]

Well, whoever packed her clothes must have also wiped down her dresser. So did this perp climb through the window with furniture cleaner? If that dresser had no prints, then Isa's dresser was not touched, meaning no clothes were put in or taken out after the cleaning by anyone in the family, even Isa!

LE saw blood though....go figure! The only way they would know it is apparent blood is if was fairly fresh and still red. By now LE knows whose blood it is. I wonder how much was there.

Who would need to wipe down a dresser? Not a perp, unless the dresser played a role in her kidnapping. Usually, it is in quick and out quick. Who would want there fingerprints removed from the dresser? LE said the person did an adequate job removing evidence from where they would normally look. I don't know about you guys but I find that statement a bombshell.

Your post made me think about the blood. Now, if it's someone ELSE's blood other than Isabel's, then she most likely put up a fight. That's interesting. Horrifying, but interesting.

 

[MBK]

Do you guys remember if there were computers taken from or examined at the Celis residence and mentioned in the doc dump?

 

[passionflower]

Trying to connect more dots.
CpS, Sc not allowed to be with sons, graffitti?
Dad into graffitti?
IMO Isa never made it to bed.
IMO her hair was never done,bath etc.
What happened after game? In her room?
I do believe dad went to bed at 5 am,after
a huge clean up.
Did he make boys help?
JmOO

 

[MBK]

Trying to connect more dots.
CpS, Sc not allowed to be with sons, graffitti?
Dad into graffitti?
IMO Isa never made it to bed.
IMO her hair was never done,bath etc.
What happened after game? In her room?
I do believe dad went to bed at 5 am,after
a huge clean up.
Did he make boys help?
JmOO

Yes, and when the female relative arrives, "Is there anything I can do to help" Yeah, do the dishes and pick up the kitchen, just in case there's any evidentiary value there . . . .and make the place look as staged as other parts of the house.

 

[MBK]

Trying to connect more dots.
CpS, Sc not allowed to be with sons, graffitti?
Dad into graffitti?
IMO Isa never made it to bed.
IMO her hair was never done,bath etc.
What happened after game? In her room?
I do believe dad went to bed at 5 am,after
a huge clean up.
Did he make boys help?
JmOO

Graffiti and Opera. Hmmm. Not so sure Sergio would have been into graffiti. Maybe one of the sons, a childish prank? Hopefully, not gang related.

From my understanding, the "no contact" business stemmed from a concerns LE developed during the course of the investigation. Not sure if or how it's related to the abduction of Isabel. No contact, not even supervised visits. Think about it.

 

[iSleuth]

Curious if people have heard the statement analysis (by PH) of this case and what you all think? I noticed on one site there was a reference to the WS poll here so I was also wondering.....

Are we allowed to post/ share the blogtalk radio link with the statement analysis interview?