AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #22

[Prof]

As far as public records go http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/courts/QDPS/Search/CitySearch.aspx

RC has one CR charge for a DUI from 2002 that was diverted, completely dismissed as allowed by AZ courts for a first-time offense.

SC has one CR charge for a DUI from 1997 that was diverted, completely dismissed as allowed by AZ courts for a first time offense.

Other than these old cases, SC has the two misdemeanor charges for dogs at large from 4/19 of this year.

This equals one diversion for RC 9 years ago, and one for SC 15 years ago.

IMO this does not seem to indicate "the Celis' break the law often with zero consequences."

I think they probably had to go through a period of monitoring and classes as part of the diversion program before charges were dismissed.

I'd thought I'd share one of our local's perspective on the Arizona and Pima County diversion program. This was from thread 4. (I'm including my own post for context.)

Originally Posted by Prof 04-25-2012, 08:15 PM
When they go through a Diversion does that get charges dismissed?

http://www.sc.pima.gov/?tabid=188

"Adult Diversion 5

If a defendant has no previous criminal record and the charges pending are non-violent, the defendant may be considered for the Pima County Adult Diversion Program. This program helps rehabilitate offenders by counseling, education, restitution, and community service. Usually a person cannot enter the program without the approval of the arresting officer and the victim. If accepted into the program, the defendant enters a plea of guilty but sentencing is suspended. The person will usually have to pay restitution to the victim. If the defendant successfully completes a one to two year treatment program, the charges may be dismissed. If at any time during the course of the program the defendant violates the rules of the program or the law, prosecution will resume and sentencing will occur."

. Yes that is a very popular program here with first time offenders and it is possible that is what happened.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #4
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As for the animals at large, I remember quite a few posts over the many threads wondered why Tucson was so strict to file criminal charges for dogs at large. Personally, I think offering a diversion to get those first time animal-related misdemeanor charges dismissed is not that outrageous. I don't think that AZ is alone on offering diversion programs for first-time DUI's or for first time non-violent offenders.

While, I do agree we need stricter laws and punishment for DUI's across this country, I don't find that going through diversion once for RC 9 years ago, and once for SC 15 years ago evidence that this family is getting any kind of special treatment. Each had one. Personally, I would never drink and drive.
Still, if a court of law decides to dismiss charges, I feel that I should respect that dismissal.

I have a lot of confidence in LE in this case, and the more time I spend researching AZ cases, the more I like AZ as a state.
JMO

 

[Lark2]

If there's a sinister meaning behind these donations, and the parents are just looking to make as much money for themselves as possible, why don't they do the media circuit? They can make more money, and much quicker that way.

I think they don't want the scrutiny. People have a lot of questions for them.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I believe I read it was for 3 months, I will look for a link.

That said, the severity of the order is irrefutable.

I don't recall there being an "official" statement regarding the length of the NCO, but WS member, AZLawyer posted general information about the usual duration being 90 days.

 

[winterrose]

If there's a sinister meaning behind these donations, and the parents are just looking to make as much money for themselves as possible, why don't they do the media circuit? They can make more money, and much quicker that way.

Networks don't pay for interviews, but the parents can sell pictures or videos, for the use of them. I'm not sure if NBC paid them for using Isabel's video of the couch singing or not. Some networks pay in vacations or some other way to get the interviews. Now if the parents start going out, it would look like they were shamed into it, by public opinion, since that's what they should have been doing this whole time and haven't.

 

[Lark2]

MOO: Based on the chief's recent statements that they have "suspects" (plural), and, frankly, a whole bunch of other things, I think both parents are involved.

MOO: Dad and mom came up with a plan to raise money and make their daughter's disappearance a world-wide sensation (Dad's recent comments lead me to that conclusion - he really believes her disappearance has led to the largest outpouring of prayer since 911).

In these parents' minds, her disappearance would generate tons of donations through the purchase of prayer "trinkets" and the like. And her return would make her an instant celebrity. "Six-year-old found safe", blah blah blah.

After she is found safe, she would do the media circuit, and be on all of the talk shows, and maybe as a result of that, other opportunities would open up to her and the family.

Where is she now? With a family member, safe, hopefully happy, and being treated like she's on a vacation. RC said she had relatives in WA, CA, TX, MX, FL. Wherever she is, she is unharmed. MOO.

When did she leave? That morning, 6:30 a.m, mom braided her hair for travel, packed her a few things, and they handed her off to a relative. And then they staged the scene to look like a kidnapping. Becky went to work, and Sergio calmly picked up the phone to report an "abduction."

Dad can't contact the boys because he has threatened them and told them that if they spill the beans, then he and RC will both go to jail, etc etc. Time and space may get them to talk. LE believe the younger ones may crack a la the balloon boy hoax.

How does this end? Does she just get dropped off in pre-arranged "safe" place and the family rushes to her. "We knew she would come home. All of our prayers and the prayers of those around the world have been answered," etc etc.

Problem? Their story was never believed by LE. They knew the scene was staged. Since that first weekend, they have systematically processed evidence and eliminated every other possibility, and based on the family's behaviour, actins, etc., they are now left with this scenario.

When will this end? It can't go on forever. That's what LE's waiting for. The end, her re-appearance. And then they'll charge the parents accordingly.

MOO MOO MOO MOO

 

[cluelessinNY]

MOO: Based on the chief's recent statements that they have "suspects" (plural), and, frankly, a whole bunch of other things, I think both parents are involved.

MOO: Dad and mom came up with a plan to raise money and make their daughter's disappearance a world-wide sensation (Dad's recent comments lead me to that conclusion - he really believes her disappearance has led to the largest outpouring of prayer since 911).

In these parents' minds, her disappearance would generate tons of donations through the purchase of prayer "trinkets" and the like. And her return would make her an instant celebrity. "Six-year-old found safe", blah blah blah.

After she is found safe, she would do the media circuit, and be on all of the talk shows, and maybe as a result of that, other opportunities would open up to her and the family.

Where is she now? With a family member, safe, hopefully happy, and being treated like she's on a vacation. RC said she had relatives in WA, CA, TX, MX, FL. Wherever she is, she is unharmed. MOO.

When did she leave? That morning, 6:30 a.m, mom braided her hair for travel, packed her a few things, and they handed her off to a relative. And then they staged the scene to look like a kidnapping. Becky went to work, and Sergio calmly picked up the phone to report an "abduction."

Dad can't contact the boys because he has threatened them and told them that if they spill the beans, then he and RC will both go to jail, etc etc. Time and space may get them to talk. LE believe the younger ones may crack a la the balloon boy hoax.

How does this end? Does she just get dropped off in pre-arranged "safe" place and the family rushes to her. "We knew she would come home. All of our prayers and the prayers of those around the world have been answered," etc etc.

Problem? Their story was never believed by LE. They knew the scene was staged. Since that first weekend, they have systematically processed evidence and eliminated every other possibility, and based on the family's behaviour, actins, etc., they are now left with this scenario.

When will this end? It can't go on forever. That's what LE's waiting for. The end, her re-appearance. And then they'll charge the parents accordingly.

MOO MOO MOO MOO

This scenario is very plausible. I am praying that you turn out to be 100% right as that would mean Isa is alive.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

MOO: Based on the chief's recent statements that they have "suspects" (plural), and, frankly, a whole bunch of other things, I think both parents are involved.

MOO: Dad and mom came up with a plan to raise money and make their daughter's disappearance a world-wide sensation (Dad's recent comments lead me to that conclusion - he really believes her disappearance has led to the largest outpouring of prayer since 911).

In these parents' minds, her disappearance would generate tons of donations through the purchase of prayer "trinkets" and the like. And her return would make her an instant celebrity. "Six-year-old found safe", blah blah blah.

After she is found safe, she would do the media circuit, and be on all of the talk shows, and maybe as a result of that, other opportunities would open up to her and the family.

Where is she now? With a family member, safe, hopefully happy, and being treated like she's on a vacation. RC said she had relatives in WA, CA, TX, MX, FL. Wherever she is, she is unharmed. MOO.

When did she leave? That morning, 6:30 a.m, mom braided her hair for travel, packed her a few things, and they handed her off to a relative. And then they staged the scene to look like a kidnapping. Becky went to work, and Sergio calmly picked up the phone to report an "abduction."

Dad can't contact the boys because he has threatened them and told them that if they spill the beans, then he and RC will both go to jail, etc etc. Time and space may get them to talk. LE believe the younger ones may crack a la the balloon boy hoax.

How does this end? Does she just get dropped off in pre-arranged "safe" place and the family rushes to her. "We knew she would come home. All of our prayers and the prayers of those around the world have been answered," etc etc.

Problem? Their story was never believed by LE. They knew the scene was staged. Since that first weekend, they have systematically processed evidence and eliminated every other possibility, and based on the family's behaviour, actins, etc., they are now left with this scenario.

When will this end? It can't go on forever. That's what LE's waiting for. The end, her re-appearance. And then they'll charge the parents accordingly.

MOO MOO MOO MOO

I also think this might be a hoax but their plan isn't going to work. Sergio might believe it, but Isabel's case isn't a worldwide sensation. He can just compare the coverage to what JonBenet, another 6-year-old, received. If Isabel is found, it won't be "6-year-old found alive", it will be "Parents faked child's abduction". People were interested in Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Dugard because they were actually kidnapped. When the Balloon Box hoax was found out, there was interest and attention for a couple of days and then it faded away. His parents never got a reality show, a movie deal, a book deal, etc.

 

[Jules71]

MOO: Based on the chief's recent statements that they have "suspects" (plural), and, frankly, a whole bunch of other things, I think both parents are involved.

MOO: Dad and mom came up with a plan to raise money and make their daughter's disappearance a world-wide sensation (Dad's recent comments lead me to that conclusion - he really believes her disappearance has led to the largest outpouring of prayer since 911).

In these parents' minds, her disappearance would generate tons of donations through the purchase of prayer "trinkets" and the like. And her return would make her an instant celebrity. "Six-year-old found safe", blah blah blah.

After she is found safe, she would do the media circuit, and be on all of the talk shows, and maybe as a result of that, other opportunities would open up to her and the family.

Where is she now? With a family member, safe, hopefully happy, and being treated like she's on a vacation. RC said she had relatives in WA, CA, TX, MX, FL. Wherever she is, she is unharmed. MOO.

When did she leave? That morning, 6:30 a.m, mom braided her hair for travel, packed her a few things, and they handed her off to a relative. And then they staged the scene to look like a kidnapping. Becky went to work, and Sergio calmly picked up the phone to report an "abduction."

Dad can't contact the boys because he has threatened them and told them that if they spill the beans, then he and RC will both go to jail, etc etc. Time and space may get them to talk. LE believe the younger ones may crack a la the balloon boy hoax.

How does this end? Does she just get dropped off in pre-arranged "safe" place and the family rushes to her. "We knew she would come home. All of our prayers and the prayers of those around the world have been answered," etc etc.

Problem? Their story was never believed by LE. They knew the scene was staged. Since that first weekend, they have systematically processed evidence and eliminated every other possibility, and based on the family's behaviour, actins, etc., they are now left with this scenario.

When will this end? It can't go on forever. That's what LE's waiting for. The end, her re-appearance. And then they'll charge the parents accordingly.

MOO MOO MOO MOO

I think this scenario is the most probable at this time. How would they be sure Isa doesn't spill the beans when she is returned? (i.e. tells who she was with, who took her, etc.) IMO you would have to be certain she/the family could keep this secret.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think this scenario is the most probable at this time. How would they be sure Isa doesn't spill the beans when she is returned? (i.e. tells who she was with, who took her, etc.) IMO you would have to be certain she/the family could keep this secret.

I think LE will know as soon as Isabel is back home that it was a hoax.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

MOO: Based on the chief's recent statements that they have "suspects" (plural), and, frankly, a whole bunch of other things, I think both parents are involved.

MOO: Dad and mom came up with a plan to raise money and make their daughter's disappearance a world-wide sensation (Dad's recent comments lead me to that conclusion - he really believes her disappearance has led to the largest outpouring of prayer since 911).

In these parents' minds, her disappearance would generate tons of donations through the purchase of prayer "trinkets" and the like. And her return would make her an instant celebrity. "Six-year-old found safe", blah blah blah.

After she is found safe, she would do the media circuit, and be on all of the talk shows, and maybe as a result of that, other opportunities would open up to her and the family.

Where is she now? With a family member, safe, hopefully happy, and being treated like she's on a vacation. RC said she had relatives in WA, CA, TX, MX, FL. Wherever she is, she is unharmed. MOO.

When did she leave? That morning, 6:30 a.m, mom braided her hair for travel, packed her a few things, and they handed her off to a relative. And then they staged the scene to look like a kidnapping. Becky went to work, and Sergio calmly picked up the phone to report an "abduction."

Dad can't contact the boys because he has threatened them and told them that if they spill the beans, then he and RC will both go to jail, etc etc. Time and space may get them to talk. LE believe the younger ones may crack a la the balloon boy hoax.

How does this end? Does she just get dropped off in pre-arranged "safe" place and the family rushes to her. "We knew she would come home. All of our prayers and the prayers of those around the world have been answered," etc etc.

Problem? Their story was never believed by LE. They knew the scene was staged. Since that first weekend, they have systematically processed evidence and eliminated every other possibility, and based on the family's behaviour, actins, etc., they are now left with this scenario.

When will this end? It can't go on forever. That's what LE's waiting for. The end, her re-appearance. And then they'll charge the parents accordingly.

MOO MOO MOO MOO

While I don't necessarily espouse a hoax theory, I won't completely discount it, and I commend you for your thoughtful, articulate post.

Along the lines of future showbiz opportunities for the Celis family, let's not forget that we've seen little Isa dance in that oft-reprised video, urplebananna: and, of course, we heard the Tucson opera tenor sing "Ave Maria" for the world to see and hear :singing: I suppose that Becky thinks herself quite the actress :dramaqueen: for her histrionics in the 9-1-1 call, and she didn't hold back in that interview when she suggested that the public should "Bring it on!" Perhaps Isa's brothers have some special talents waiting to be discovered, as well

 

[OtherEyes]

NBC's Today show this morning..."Do Missing Child Posters Really Work?"

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47704638/ns/today-today_rossen_reports/t/rossen-reports-do-missing-child-posters-really-work/#.T9DklrB8B50

We ran the scenario 16 times, over an entire day. In the end, only three people contacted police.

This was very interesting. IMO as a parent I would be on anything I could get on pleading with the public! This goes to show that just a photo is not enough! I would be getting video out there so people could see how my child acts, moves and what their voice sounds like when she/he speaks, laughs, cries, etc. In my personal opinion I feel that video is the better tool. Seeing the actions of someone is easier to recognize than just a one dimensional photo.

Please don't get me wrong, posters are very useful but this report really opened my eyes and hopefully the Celis' had a chance to see or hear about it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

While I don't necessarily espouse a hoax theory, I won't completely discount it, and I commend you for your thoughtful, articulate post.

Along the lines of future showbiz opportunities for the Celis family, let's not forget that we've seen little Isa dance in that oft-reprised video, urplebananna: and, of course, we heard the Tucson opera tenor sing "Ave Maria" for the world to see and hear :singing: I suppose that Becky thinks herself quite the actress :dramaqueen: for her histrionics in the 9-1-1 call, and she didn't hold back in that interview when she suggested that the public should "Bring it on!" Perhaps Isa's brothers have some special talents waiting to be discovered, as well

While I respect all theories, and often find them quite interesting, I do not think this is a hoax nor do I think either parent is 'faking' anything.

imo

 

[liz b.]

MOO: Based on the chief's recent statements that they have "suspects" (plural), and, frankly, a whole bunch of other things, I think both parents are involved.

MOO: Dad and mom came up with a plan to raise money and make their daughter's disappearance a world-wide sensation (Dad's recent comments lead me to that conclusion - he really believes her disappearance has led to the largest outpouring of prayer since 911).

In these parents' minds, her disappearance would generate tons of donations through the purchase of prayer "trinkets" and the like. And her return would make her an instant celebrity. "Six-year-old found safe", blah blah blah.

After she is found safe, she would do the media circuit, and be on all of the talk shows, and maybe as a result of that, other opportunities would open up to her and the family.

Where is she now? With a family member, safe, hopefully happy, and being treated like she's on a vacation. RC said she had relatives in WA, CA, TX, MX, FL. Wherever she is, she is unharmed. MOO.

When did she leave? That morning, 6:30 a.m, mom braided her hair for travel, packed her a few things, and they handed her off to a relative. And then they staged the scene to look like a kidnapping. Becky went to work, and Sergio calmly picked up the phone to report an "abduction."

Dad can't contact the boys because he has threatened them and told them that if they spill the beans, then he and RC will both go to jail, etc etc. Time and space may get them to talk. LE believe the younger ones may crack a la the balloon boy hoax.

How does this end? Does she just get dropped off in pre-arranged "safe" place and the family rushes to her. "We knew she would come home. All of our prayers and the prayers of those around the world have been answered," etc etc.

Problem? Their story was never believed by LE. They knew the scene was staged. Since that first weekend, they have systematically processed evidence and eliminated every other possibility, and based on the family's behaviour, actins, etc., they are now left with this scenario.

When will this end? It can't go on forever. That's what LE's waiting for. The end, her re-appearance. And then they'll charge the parents accordingly.

MOO MOO MOO MOO

Lark2


Okay.But,what about the "apparent blood " found in Isabel's bedroom ?

And why was LE seemingly focused on the boys' bedroom ? Using luminol etc. Why would they do that ? Did they believe that there was some kind of violent altracation in the boys' room ?

JMO

 

[Carpe Pacem]

What are these parents thinking right now?

If they had no involvment, my heart breaks for them, as this is going toward two months of their little one being missing under criminal circumstances. Their lives must be a living hell.

I find myself wishing it IS a hoax. That way, their daughter is somewhere safe and sound.

On the other hand, if there was parental involvement, they must be filled with anxiety about being found out.

This fence is becoming more and more uncomfortable day by day.

 

[white rabbit]

Lark2


Okay.But,what about the "apparent blood " found in Isabel's bedroom ?

And why was LE seemingly focused on the boys' bedroom ? Using luminol etc. Why would they do that ? Did they believe that there was some kind of violent altracation in the boys' room ?

JMO

good question. in the boys' room, according to the doc dump (i have to go over there and find it), they focused on one particular twin bed and the 'gaming chair'.

now, SC did state that they were playing video games that night...and if they shared a room, wouldn't there be two beds (and possibly two chairs)?

i don't get it. seems to be a theme with me. :banghead:
(my head, my bang, my wall, not intended for any other poster)

 

[white rabbit]

AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Doc Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Various Items Taken From Home PG 58
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/56...-from-neighbor

how the heck do you attach those little pics? grrr. prof?

 

[Lark2]

Lark2
Okay.But,what about the "apparent blood " found in Isabel's bedroom ?

And why was LE seemingly focused on the boys' bedroom ? Using luminol etc. Why would they do that ? Did they believe that there was some kind of violent altracation in the boys' room ?

JMO

I've thought about this, because I have gone back and forth thinking she is dead at the hands of someone in the home. Never a stranger, though.

But I am settling on the hoax theory based mostly on the actions of the parents and the cues from LE at this point in time. So, if I accept that as my theory, then I've got to assume that the apparent blood was, in fact not blood. We haven't seen the results. So that's where I'm leaving it now.

 

[Lark2]

While I don't necessarily espouse a hoax theory, I won't completely discount it, and I commend you for your thoughtful, articulate post.

Along the lines of future showbiz opportunities for the Celis family, let's not forget that we've seen little Isa dance in that oft-reprised video, urplebananna: and, of course, we heard the Tucson opera tenor sing "Ave Maria" for the world to see and hear :singing: I suppose that Becky thinks herself quite the actress :dramaqueen: for her histrionics in the 9-1-1 call, and she didn't hold back in that interview when she suggested that the public should "Bring it on!" Perhaps Isa's brothers have some special talents waiting to be discovered, as well

:what: Oh dear, lol.

 

[Prof]

AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Doc Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Various Items Taken From Home PG 58
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/56...-from-neighbor

how the heck do you attach those little pics? grrr. prof?

If you want to link to a specific post, you can locate the post, click on the post number in the upper right corner, and then copy the URL from the "view single post" address bar like so--that way only the single post shows, rather than the whole thread...

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Doc Dump (No Discussion)


"those little pics" are attached through "additional options" which are not available if you want to "post quick reply." First you would "go advanced" and look below the message window for "manage attachments." Of course, this only works if you have something in your own computer files to attach. You would have first had to have either taken a screen shot of the report in this case...or it is possible to snatch one of the screen shots others have created and filed in the media thread. (Right click on image and save).

Mamamia provided this screenshot in the post linked above. I have copied it for you, and uploaded through "manage attachments."
If you wanted to use this to discuss in a new post, you could right click on image, save it, and then upload through "manage attachments." Thanks to Mamamia!
HTH

 

[Jules71]

I am teeter tottering between hoax for financial gain and cover up of an accident in the home. I just don't know. I wish we had some answers. Where are you Isabel?