I believe you when you say you heard it about the dogs barking at 6:30a...:skip: at the 8pm presser, a reporter asked LE directly about what was heard and what that means to the investigation -LE said that it is another fact to consider -it does not contradict what the father reported happened at 8am, and that they are reviewing everything neighbors say. We will prolly hear about it on NG tomorrow! lol, that is IF you watch it, and I don't. :burn:
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I believe you when you say you heard it about the dogs barking at 6:30a...:skip: at the 8pm presser, a reporter asked LE directly about what was heard and what that means to the investigation -LE said that it is another fact to consider -it does not contradict what the father reported happened at 8am, and that they are reviewing everything neighbors say. We will prolly hear about it on NG tomorrow! lol, that is IF you watch it, and I don't. :burn:
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One of the posters here saw similarities to two girls taken in the 90s in Tucson. These girls' cases are considered unsolved because there were never charges brought on their behalf. Some LE consider that a perp named Morales who was convicted of raping young girls might have been responsible for the two girls our poster mentioned.
However, there were other witnesses involved back then who came up with a sketch of someone other than Morales as a suspect.
Our poster thinks that the person responsible for the unsolved cases was perhaps not Morales, but the man in the sketch who is not known to be apprehended.
Our poster called in the tip, announced the fact that the tip was called in tonight, and some of us are discussing it.
Alicia or Elishia said she did not hear Isa's voice or child's voice at 6:30am. This was on local news. KGun 9 at 10pm.
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BBM. But that's just it -they did not choose the house, they CHOSE Isabel. Where there's a will, there's a way -and if you are sick and twisted enough to fixate on a child and then abduct her, then a house on the corner isn't going to stop you... I agree that the house seems very exposed -which of course makes the crime riskier, but also made it easier for the perp to stalk and spy and fixate... hope that makes sense. I agree with many of your posts, btw.
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I missed this story again! Argh! sorry about your laptop.
I have been coming back to check for video since 6 (5 hours). I am surprised I have not fried my laptop.
Good evening, this will be our last conference for today. Really not much has changed. There is one clarification, I think that a couple times there were some questions that were asked about the FBI BAU and were they going to talk to the family members. I gave you the answer that that hadn't occurred, but it probably will. I since have talked with them and found that that may or may not happen. The way that they do their work is that they observe, they may watch some of the interviews that are going on and based upon that information they could prove useful to the investigation. They may not interview them, so I just want to clarify that.
Other than that we have transitioned out the day crew. There are a few other more people standing by here in case we get any further tips and leads.
But other than that we're going be resuming things back up in the morning.
Q: Chief we heard from a neighbor that said that said she heard voices outside of Isa's window at 6:30 in the morning and hour and a half before the father said she was missing. Have you looked into that?
A:Well we've interviewed all the surrounding neighbors and we have that information as well. Of course we're looking at that, you know, we're not making any assumptions based on that. There's a huge amount of information out there. You're talking about one piece, let's say, of a 500 piece puzzle. You don't take one piece and put it down and say, okay, we're done we know what this puzzle depicts. You have to take the other 499 pieces, put it all together, and get an accurate picture of what we're looking at. We are aware of that information and our detectives have it on the recording.
Q: Is it possible what the father said about his timeline
A: Not necessarily. All we know is that's what she says she heard. It doesn't still contradict anything the father says, he says he went to her room at 8:00 and the child was gone.
Q: She also mentioned that the dogs and her dogs were going crazy...have you heard other neighbors say that same thing?
A: Neighbors have talked about that these dogs would react all the time, and that anytime that anyone approached the house, that they do go crazy. As far as what the other neighbors, I don't have information from every single neighbor as to what that is; but the detectives do have that, and they'll be looking at that.
Q: were they in the backyard, were they outside?
A: That I don't know, the detectives will know that, but that I don't personally know.
Q: Is ransom a possibility in this case?
A: We have not received any type of ransom request in this case.
Q: inaudible
A: yes
Q: the family is allowed to return?
A: The family is allowed to return, but my understanding is that as of this time, they've chosen not to.
Q: inaudible
A: We still have to talk to family members and we need to make sure and sit down because of the sheer volume of information we have and the sheer number of tips. We want to go over it again and say Ok, have we done everything we need to do. Are there other people we need to talk to. We implore people that are out there that may be watching this because even though I've sent officers 3 or 4 times to canvass the area, to go door-to-door. There's probably a couple of house that maybe they haven't made contact. I would ask those people If you have information, or even if you don't. If you live in the surrounding area and you haven't been contact by the police call 88-CRIME or 911 and talk with us. If nothing else we want to know that you didn't hear something, or if you did hear something, so we can categorize it and have our detectives aware of it.
Q: Are psychics a part of this investigation?
A: Not at this point, we have received a few phone calls, but at this point we just have so many other pieces of information to follow up on that we're not considering it.
Q: Do you have any idea when those FBI...
A: They already have been talking with us, and tomorrow, my assumption is they will probably will be get an opportunity to review the interviews of family members and other members. Because what they are looking out is the scene, the circumstances of disappearance, the neighborhood. A variety of different things so they can give us some clues of what we should be looking at or for. That has already occurred. We keep then in with all of our investigative briefings. They sit down with us, they listen to what the detectives are saying. So that process, so to speak, has already begun and will continue tomorrow.
Q: Are you still following how many leads
A: We've had over 300 leads now, and we're still following certain leads that we feel could be useful to us or helpful or that point us in different directions. Sometimes the lead will say I know this person who knows this person who sometimes does this and this. We have to track down something as insignificant as that may prove to be, because we don't know what may come from that. And so yes, we do have follow up work to do on several of these leads.
Q: question about the search?
A: Probably that scaled down of the immediate search and the general search will be scaled down to a minimal level. However, as we investigate those leads if that provides some type of guidance of where we need to go, of where we need to search. That's how we probably see ourselves continuing the search efforts at this point.
Q: inaudible
A: We're opening our doors completely on this. And that's the whole purpose. And that's why I've been trying to stress over and over. We haven't settled on any path on this. We're keeping our minds completely open as to what could have occurred because we don't want to miss anything. So we're gonna open our doors to the analysts to review everything we have and anything they want to look at if they feel it would be helpful in giving us some suggestions.
Q: Importance of searching house
A: Its extremely important. It's the last place where Isabel was seen. We need to scour it with a fine tooth comb. And that's what even necessitated the second search warrant and the refreshment of the warrant so the BAU people could go in there. It is the most important in this event. We're not afraid of going through this multiple times. We're not afraid of different eyes looking at is. We don't want to let ego concede or anything impede the successful conclusion of this case. The house is very important to us.
Q: inaudible
A: No, we really haven't. We're continuing to do the work that needs to be done out there. When we start to feel like we don't have anything else to follow up on, we'll revisit that. We don't want to give up hope, we don't want the family to give up hope. We don't want anyone, you know, Our goal right now is hoping that Isabel is okay and out there and that we can find her and bring her back safely. And then to conduct, if there is, you know, someone out there who is responsible to locate and bring them to justice.
Q: Are you in constant contact with the family?
A: Oh yes, oh yes, we're staying in contact with the family, communicating what we're doing with them, and continuing to talk with them.
Q: Inaudible (reward)
A: I don't know if it's grown since then.
Q: inaudible
A: I have a US Marshall downstairs sitting with us. I've gotten personally text messages and emails from heads of other agencies saying that if there is any assistance we need just give us a phone call. I've been extremely impressed with the cooperation and offers of help we've received from various agencies as well as the community that wants to help. Everyone wants to see Isabel come home safely.
Okay our next conference is at 8:00 in the morning. I don't know if I'll be there, but I'll probably see you sometime tomorrow.
Other than that we have transitioned out the day crew. There are a few other more people standing by here in case we get any further tips and leads.
But other than that we're going be resuming things back up in the morning.
Q: Chief we heard from a neighbor that said that said she heard voices outside of Isa's window at 6:30 in the morning and hour and a half before the father said she was missing. Have you looked into that?
A:Well we've interviewed all the surrounding neighbors and we have that information as well. Of course we're looking at that, you know, we're not making any assumptions based on that. There's a huge amount of information out there. You're talking about one piece, let's say, of a 500 piece puzzle. You don't take one piece and put it down and say, okay, we're done we know what this puzzle depicts. You have to take the other 499 pieces, put it all together, and get an accurate picture of what we're looking at. We are aware of that information and our detectives have it on the recording.
Q: Is it possible what the father said about his timeline
A: Not necessarily. All we know is that's what she says she heard. It doesn't still contradict anything the father says, he says he went to her room at 8:00 and the child was gone.
Q: She also mentioned that the dogs and her dogs were going crazy...have you heard other neighbors say that same thing?
A: Neighbors have talked about that these dogs would react all the time, and that anytime that anyone approached the house, that they do go crazy. As far as what the other neighbors, I don't have information from every single neighbor as to what that is; but the detectives do have that, and they'll be looking at that.
Q: were they in the backyard, were they outside?
A: That I don't know, the detectives will know that, but that I don't personally know.
Q: Is ransom a possibility in this case?
A: We have not received any type of ransom request in this case.
Q: inaudible
A: yes
Q: the family is allowed to return?
A: The family is allowed to return, but my understanding is that as of this time, they've chosen not to.
Q: inaudible
A: We still have to talk to family members and we need to make sure and sit down because of the sheer volume of information we have and the sheer number of tips. We want to go over it again and say Ok, have we done everything we need to do. Are there other people we need to talk to. We implore people that are out there that may be watching this because even though I've sent officers 3 or 4 times to canvass the area, to go door-to-door. There's probably a couple of house that maybe they haven't made contact. I would ask those people If you have information, or even if you don't. If you live in the surrounding area and you haven't been contact by the police call 88-CRIME or 911 and talk with us. If nothing else we want to know that you didn't hear something, or if you did hear something, so we can categorize it and have our detectives aware of it.
Q: Are psychics a part of this investigation?
A: Not at this point, we have received a few phone calls, but at this point we just have so many other pieces of information to follow up on that we're not considering it.
Q: Do you have any idea when those FBI...
A: They already have been talking with us, and tomorrow, my assumption is they will probably will be get an opportunity to review the interviews of family members and other members. Because what they are looking out is the scene, the circumstances of disappearance, the neighborhood. A variety of different things so they can give us some clues of what we should be looking at or for. That has already occurred. We keep then in with all of our investigative briefings. They sit down with us, they listen to what the detectives are saying. So that process, so to speak, has already begun and will continue tomorrow.
Q: Are you still following how many leads
A: We've had over 300 leads now, and we're still following certain leads that we feel could be useful to us or helpful or that point us in different directions. Sometimes the lead will say I know this person who knows this person who sometimes does this and this. We have to track down something as insignificant as that may prove to be, because we don't know what may come from that. And so yes, we do have follow up work to do on several of these leads.
Q: question about the search?
A: Probably that scaled down of the immediate search and the general search will be scaled down to a minimal level. However, as we investigate those leads if that provides some type of guidance of where we need to go, of where we need to search. That's how we probably see ourselves continuing the search efforts at this point.
Q: inaudible
A: We're opening our doors completely on this. And that's the whole purpose. And that's why I've been trying to stress over and over. We haven't settled on any path on this. We're keeping our minds completely open as to what could have occurred because we don't want to miss anything. So we're gonna open our doors to the analysts to review everything we have and anything they want to look at if they feel it would be helpful in giving us some suggestions.
Q: Importance of searching house
A: Its extremely important. It's the last place where Isabel was seen. We need to scour it with a fine tooth comb. And that's what even necessitated the second search warrant and the refreshment of the warrant so the BAU people could go in there. It is the most important in this event. We're not afraid of going through this multiple times. We're not afraid of different eyes looking at is. We don't want to let ego concede or anything impede the successful conclusion of this case. The house is very important to us.
Q: inaudible
A: No, we really haven't. We're continuing to do the work that needs to be done out there. When we start to feel like we don't have anything else to follow up on, we'll revisit that. We don't want to give up hope, we don't want the family to give up hope. We don't want anyone, you know, Our goal right now is hoping that Isabel is okay and out there and that we can find her and bring her back safely. And then to conduct, if there is, you know, someone out there who is responsible to locate and bring them to justice.
Q: Are you in constant contact with the family?
A: Oh yes, oh yes, we're staying in contact with the family, communicating what we're doing with them, and continuing to talk with them.
Q: Inaudible (reward)
A: I don't know if it's grown since then.
Q: inaudible
A: I have a US Marshall downstairs sitting with us. I've gotten personally text messages and emails from heads of other agencies saying that if there is any assistance we need just give us a phone call. I've been extremely impressed with the cooperation and offers of help we've received from various agencies as well as the community that wants to help. Everyone wants to see Isabel come home safely.
Okay our next conference is at 8:00 in the morning. I don't know if I'll be there, but I'll probably see you sometime tomorrow.
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I like your answer better so I deleted mine, lol. I 'get' it now.
TY TYAwww. both were live. I thought we had many here who could switch their channels fast but it takes me 5 minutes to craft a post..I don't think you will find it? I really don't know how they do their live news. I saw it. Who cares? Just kidding. KGun had her on, she has blonde hair, young and talked about the dogs barking at 6:30am. & hearing men's voices, not Isa or child's voice. She said it's hard to imagine a child could sleep through the noise, commotion.
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WoW watching NG now and Mark Lunsford is talking about how LE will lie to parents in attempts to get info of what happened to themissing child.. he says in his case LE told him that his daughter, Jessica's blood was found on his father's (Jessica's grandfather's) shirt!! ! And as he said of course there wasn't an ounce of truth in that ... My God what horrible mindgames that these poor parents go through on top of thefact that their child has beenstolen, raped, tortured, and murdered.. to then be told that your missing child's blood is on your own fathers clothing...canyou even imagine? I cannot.. I understand why police do such tactics but my God what trauma to inflict on top of top of the trauma they're presently living through..
I mean what if Mark Lunsford in his deep desperation, pain and anguish somehow believed that to be true and he went and killed a man who LE has directly told him that he had his daughters blood on his dads clothing.. I meantalk about RE-victimization to an extreme.. I don't knowquite how I feel about this...I get LE motive but seriously? Idk?
I mean what if Mark Lunsford in his deep desperation, pain and anguish somehow believed that to be true and he went and killed a man who LE has directly told him that he had his daughters blood on his dads clothing.. I meantalk about RE-victimization to an extreme.. I don't knowquite how I feel about this...I get LE motive but seriously? Idk?
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OK guys the story is up.. and its good..
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/
Re:neighbor, Alisha hearing dogs and men's voices..
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/
Re:neighbor, Alisha hearing dogs and men's voices..
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71889&highlight=vent+nancy+grace
Thread to complain and vent about Nancy Grace. It was made so we don't clog up the threads
HTH.
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Omg the men were right outside her window.. hadn't watched her video interview yet.. I believe they share a fence with the Celis'..
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149009015.html
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Gosh, Mom would still have been home at that time, and awake? Did no one think it odd that all these dogs were barking their heads off?
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I can't find it.
Do you have the title?
I still see all the videos I have already seen
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So according to the last PC, the parents had NOT talked to the FBI/BU yet...? So that means that they were not told what to say in their statement, I guess? Other than maybe some advice from reg. LE?
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Maybe mom was in the shower at 6:30 am, she went into work "Very Early".
WARNING: SPECULATION based on very few facts.
Let's see...
Mom did not tuck her in.
Isabel slept in her own bed (some say this is not the usual)
Dogs barking at 6:30 and men outside the window - while mom may have been in the shower or perhaps has just left for work?
No child like noise or crying.
All I am saying is how very convenient and in broad daylight...
Get her out of the house before the boys wake up?
Maybe a sleeping child was not 'sleeping' but deceased?
Just theorizing, don't shoot the poster.
The facts, as we have been told, are that Dad put her to bed and Dad discovered her missing.
If we run with this scenario, assume he did not have help, 6:30 - 8am is 1 1/2 hr window, she is 45 mins from home - tops.
No, I am not accusing him. Just drawing circles on a map.
WARNING: SPECULATION based on very few facts.
Let's see...
Mom did not tuck her in.
Isabel slept in her own bed (some say this is not the usual)
Dogs barking at 6:30 and men outside the window - while mom may have been in the shower or perhaps has just left for work?
No child like noise or crying.
All I am saying is how very convenient and in broad daylight...
Get her out of the house before the boys wake up?
Maybe a sleeping child was not 'sleeping' but deceased?
Just theorizing, don't shoot the poster.
The facts, as we have been told, are that Dad put her to bed and Dad discovered her missing.
If we run with this scenario, assume he did not have help, 6:30 - 8am is 1 1/2 hr window, she is 45 mins from home - tops.
No, I am not accusing him. Just drawing circles on a map.
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