AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 4

[gitana1]

I couldn't bring myself to watch the presser live, I'll watch a replay when it's available. After reading a transcript, and watching in (thank you all) while you all typed details and observations, it is really hard for me not to go here: http://blogs.uww.edu/introtolatinamerica/2011/10/03/kidnappings-in-mexico/

We are not in Mexico though. Rich kids there are kidnapped. Here, there has only been one kidnapping of a child by a cartel and the child's family was involved in the drug trade.

Isabel's family looks solidly middle class. In Mexico, lots of things are resolved with money. The cartels know that's not the way things work here and I think they would have picked a different target if it was.

But, it is interesting that the father mentioned "demands". Perhaps the family is thinking along your lines as well.

Here is video of the statement for those who could not see it:http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/missing-girl-police-hold-news-conference-04252012

Bumping in case someone missed it. At the very end, it shows the parents collapsing in an embrace by another family member or supporter.

These poor people. This kind of thing should never happen. I cannot imagine one day having a precious baby and the next not knowing her fate, having her disappear from her own, little bed. No one should have to go through this.

 

[Isabelle]

God, that was so sad! Isa looks just like her mother!

 

[Isabelle]

I'm at work and couldn't see it. Sounds like from what I'm reading here that there wasn't any hink.

I feel like crying just reading the written words!!!

Kimster, the look on Isabel's mother's face as she tilted her head to the side and looked down, 'the Pieta'! I have seen it many times once I knew what it looked and felt like.

 

[Anita Richman]

Do we know if the parents are immigrants? If so, what country? I know they're hispanic but just curious from where.

This case is another heartbreaking one. Why harm our children? They're so innocent. Please let her come home. :tears:

If they are immigrants, they didn't immigrate recently. Sergio Celis' parents have lived in their home on that street for over 25 years (I would assume he lived there, too, growing up). Becky Celis graduated from highschool in Nevada, according to her facebook.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

After seeing that very emotional family statement and assuming that the BAU gave suggestions based on a perp profile; what do you sleuths think the perp profile is?

I know it's fairytale-ish, but based on recent cases of women who stole children to parent (Verna McCain, Krystle Tanner),as well as wishful thinking, I wonder if that statement wasn't intended to soften the heart of the person who has Isa.

I have no doubt the parents are hoping they touch the heart of the person that took Isa from them. Who wouldnt hope for that?

They want to desperately believe if he will just let them know his demands they will meet it and he will release her and she can come home alive again. I understand why they both cling to that because the alternative is just too much for these parents to accept.

Sadly, I dont think they are going to get Isa back the way they hope and pray they do.

I think it is far more likely that she was murdered shortly after she was kidnapped just like all the others that were stolen from their own bed in their own homes.

IMO

 

[gitana1]

What was off?

I was listening very closely and he seemed like a wounded father who is telling the kidnapper they will do anything to get Isa back.

imo

She's talking about someone else being interviewed by Vinnie Politan.

 

[Isabelle]

I know the agony of losing a child and knowing what happened. I cannot imagine these parents' agony and pain in not knowing. Unimaginable!

 

[Anita Richman]

What was off?

I was listening very closely and he seemed like a wounded father who is telling the kidnapper they will do anything to get Isa back.

imo

Omigosh, I wasn't referring to Sergio Celis, I was referring to the man speaking with Vinnie, Gil (I've already forgotten his last name).

 

[LisaB]

It certainly sounds from the posts I read that children Isabel's age sleep very soundly and are hard to arouse.

Would Isabel's parents have to wake her up to go to the potty during the night?

Do six-year olds attend school full-time or part-time?

Do parents normally keep their children's bedroom doors open or closed after they put them to bed? TIA

It all depends on the child and how long she has been asleep. I remember carrying my daughter inside if she fell asleep in the car until she was about 10, and too heavy. I remember being a child and pretending I'd fallen asleep in the car so my parents would carry me inside. When I was actually asleep, I might have "stirred" a little, opened one eye a bit to to see we were home, then close it again and be back asleep before hitting the bed.

At that age, most parents just limit fluids for an hour before bed so there are no "accidents" overnight. Most kids, if they have to go, will wake up. I don't think I have ever known any parent to get up in the night to wake their child to go to the bathroom and back to bed, but some may do so on their way to bed.

In Maryland, a 6 year old would be in school full days, even if she was in kindergarten (i.e. had turned 6 after December 31). I don't know about Arizona.

I think this one is pretty evenly split. When my daughter was tiny, we had these REALLY soundproof walls. I had to keep her door and mine open so I could hear if she cried in the night. It was weird having her bed right on the other side of the wall from me, and yet hearing her voice come from the hallway. If the house is small and the parents are watching TV, or participating in other adult activities, I can see closing the child's door to prevent them being disturbed by the noise, provided you have a baby monitor close by to keep tabs on them, at least if they are pre-schoolers.

 

[Aura]

I am thinking they wanted to search the area immediately around the home and neighborhood for any sort of evidence or clues before branching out to more geographically distant likely spots.

I guess I just assume that the area immediately around the home is most likely to contain evidence or clues that can lead LE to some idea of where to go from there or whom to look at closer.

I agree, the area around the house needed to be searched immediately. But desert is about a few miles away from where she lives. They live around Broadway and Craycroft. There is alot of desert all around aviation highway which is about 5 miles away, and then on (dam i cant think of the highway) around the base, there is alot of desert. Which is about 3 major crossroads from them. really there is desert all over there. Maybe they did search all around there, they did say it was a 3-mile radius, which probably included some of the desert. Im thinking if she is hidden anywhere, it just might be in the desert. The caves Im talking about are farther away, around Vail. and then in Sabino Canyon. BUt from that side of town, they are easy to get to. Im from the far south/west side near Kinney and Old Tucson. We have alot more desert out here, so maybe that is why im thinking the desert so much.

 

[Jezbel]

Haven't had a chance to watch the replay yet, but I'm tearing up just reading the posts. This poor family

 

[Isabelle]

OT but significant: Hand Sanitizer, the new high!

 

[Anita Richman]

I have no doubt the parents are hoping they touch the heart of the person that took Isa from them. Who wouldnt hope for that?

They want to desperately believe if he will just let them know his demands they will meet it and he will release her and she can come home alive again. I understand why they both cling to that because the alternative is just too much for these parents to accept.

Sadly, I dont think they are going to get Isa back the way they hope and pray they do.

I think it is far more likely that she was murdered shortly after she was kidnapped just like all the others that were stolen from their own bed in their own homes.

IMO

Thank you for your response, OBE. My heart hurts for these people. I desperately want to believe she could come home safe, too. Going to hug and snuggle the Richkids. :seeya:

 

[Aura]

Sadly, I dont think they are going to get Isa back the way they hope and pray they do.

I think it is far more likely that she was murdered shortly after she was kidnapped just like all the others that were stolen from their own bed in their own homes.

Im thinking the same, Im really trying not to think of that, but its been too many days now. I hope and pray she is alive and unhurt, and that she is given back to her parents. If she is alive, she will never be the same.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

If her parents had anything to do with Isa going missing I'll join the other member here who said they'd eat their keyboard. Lord that was emotional.

I've got some good "crow" recipes that might be a tad easier on the digestive system: Crow Divan, Crowganoff, Crowq Au Vin, Barbecued Crow, to name a few. Even with appropriate condiments, my keyboard might not go down easily

 

[Taminator]

I still can't shake the idea that this child was taken by someone who had an eye on her, was known to both her and her family, no matter how peripherally.

I also remain stuck with my initial reaction that the perp is a young male, teen or just past teens. I really hate when my impression about a case comes so quickly and immediately and then can't be shaken. Even when whatever caused me to arrive at that impression is so amorphous as to nearly nonexistent.

I always worry that I am seeing more than is there or not seeing what I should be once that impression has settled in for me. Am I missing things because they don't fit my notion? Am I reading too much into things elsewhere because they tend to lend credence to my notion? Sigh.

BBM

I had the same thought. A teen or young man who hangs out with or surrounds himself with younger kids. My other thought was someone who had either done work on the home or someone acquainted with, but not necessarily in the "family circle".

I hope this doesn't come out wrong or sound offensive, but I've noticed the Hispanic culture seems to be very welcoming to people. I have one man who comes in my store who pays for things for people that I'm sure he doesn't know or perhaps knows only in passing. There are always parties with neighbors, etc. It's nice to see in a way, but in a way I look at the danger of involving yourself with people you don't really know too well. I guess "accepting" would be a better term.

As for the parents' statement, I don't know that I've seen anything more gut-wrenching in my life. Maybe it's because I'm local and it's obviously hitting home. I can't imagine their terror.

 

[Anita Richman]

OT but significant: Hand Sanitizer, the new high!

snort!:aktion1:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I thought some of what he was saying was "off". So sad.

Oh Anita......Im sorry. When you said 'off' I thought you meant something the dad said was off.

My bad. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

And I agree some of his facts are 'off' but his heart is in the right place I think.

 

[4Jacy]

When I heard this the other day all I could think of was: here we go again, another rodeo!

God bless Isabel

 

[Aura]

Going to hug and snuggle the Richkids.

I have been hugging and kissing my child so much lately. He is probably wondering, what the heck?? But it really brings home what has happened. I try and stay away from the missing children cases because they are so hard to read about, but some get to me like this one, Kyron is another case ive been watching closely.