AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 4

[not_my_kids]

I think it was things the family left in the car when they went to the ball game Friday night or they may have just stored stuff they used often in it.

I had already seen the video of LE taking out the large pillows.

Who said it doesnt run? Who cranked it up to find out?

tia

IMO

Nancy said it, that's why I'm questioning.

 

[nutkin]

What does it say if I may ask?

LE said clearly that the parents gave them permission to search but they decided to go the route of a SW.

That is common and I dont know of one single case where a search of a home was done just by permission only and evidence removed from the scene without one.

It opens up a can of worms. They cant just go in there and get anything they want and walk out. They must be specific when asking the Judge for a SW. The probable cause would be met solely because that is the place that Isa was kidnapped from.

When a SW is done an inventory list is given to the renter or homeowners as to what exactly was removed. That way there is no confusion if the homeowner later on finds something missing. It just keeps everyone honest and is SOP.

I would have been more surprised if LE went in without a SW based on just a permission search only.

IMO

That is basically what I am saying. They are thinking they may find something to implicate the parents because if they found some evidence during a search based on permission from the parents that pointed to a stranger abduction, there would be no issue with having it admissible in court.

A search warrant has to specifically state what LE can search and what they can remove from the home. (i.e. family computer, Isabel's pillow, etc.) They can't remove anything else or search an area not listed on the warrant.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I fail to understand what drug deals have to do with this. There are drugs being sold right down the street from my home, just as there are drugs being sold all around the city. If there is a convenience store/gas station, there are drug deals happening. I doubt drug dealers decided to randomly abduct a 6-year-old girl from her bed.

Shaniya Davis' mother is in jail awaiting trial for selling her 5 year old baby girl to her drug dealer in exchange for a drug debt. That dealer raped and murdered the little girl.

So I would say that It is not outside of the realm of possibility that drugs may be involved, whether the parents are or not. MOO.


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[pieper4]

I fail to understand what drug deals have to do with this. There are drugs being sold right down the street from my home, just as there are drugs being sold all around the city. If there is a convenience store/gas station, there are drug deals happening. I doubt drug dealers decided to randomly abduct a 6-year-old girl from her bed.

Drug deals often involve some very brutal drug cartels in this end of the world. When they don't get their money, are ripped off, or otherwise displeased, they typically go after members of the family. Sometimes they get the wrong family.

Sadly, it happens very often not far south of Tucson (Mexico).

 

[Dr. Know?]

neighbor to speak on KVOA, signal of there's keeps going out!!!!

 

[nutkin]

Shaniya Davis' mother is in jail awaiting trial for selling her 5 year old baby girl to her drug dealer in exchange for a drug debt. That dealer raped and murdered the little girl.

So I would say that It is not outside of the realm of possibility that drugs may be involved, whether the parents are or not. MOO.


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If the parents had a drug habit, I am sure it would've been brought up by now. The only mention of drugs I have heard is a paraphernalia charge against the father from like 1993.

 

[cluciano63]

Drug deals often involve some very brutal drug cartels in this end of the world. When they don't get their money, are ripped off, or otherwise displeased, they typically go after members of the family. Sometimes they get the wrong family.

Sadly, it happens very often not far south of Tucson (Mexico).

But I think they usually want the family to know, in those cases...JMO

 

[Patty G]

NG implied that after the crime techs took the blanket and pillow out of the red car (that supposedly doesn't operate), that the crime scene tape went back up.

:censored: :what:

 

[Dr. Know?]

What she heard, lives i a guest house next door, around 6:30 am, dogs all barking, their's and hers.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I've got some good "crow" recipes that might be a tad easier on the digestive system: Crow Divan, Crowganoff, Crowq Au Vin, Barbecued Crow, to name a few. Even with appropriate condiments, my keyboard might not go down easily

Crow with Sriracha! Sriracha makes anything and everything better, IMO!

 

[FrayedKnot]

If the parents had a drug habit, I am sure it would've been brought up by now. The only mention of drugs I have heard is a paraphernalia charge against the father from like 1993.

Which is why I said 'whether her parents were involved or not'. The drug world is seamy and full of sick vermin. If there are dealers and addicts living in the vicinity, it would be prudent to look down that path.

As far as I know, nobody has any idea what has happened to this little girl, so why would any theory be summarily dismissed out of hand? If drugs are prevalent in the area, it's as good a place to begin looking as any.

MOO.


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[Dr. Know?]

NG show it was said Fbi told them not to talk. I think they wanted to watch their media release first.

 

[Anita Richman]

Knowing the criticism that TPD went through a little over 5 years ago involving 2 other child murder cases (not insinuating Isabel's case is a murder case), I completely understand what and why they are doing what they are doing.

In February 2007 a manager at a storage facility unlocked a storage locker to clear it out, due to a client's non-payment. The locker contained a Rubbermaid tub with a foul odor. The manager threw it in the dumpster, although she was disturbed by the odor. The next day, she called police and they came and pulled the tub. Inside the tub was a duffelbag containing the remains of 3 year old Ariana Payne. They soon found out that Ariana had a sibling, 4 year old Tyler Payne whose whereabouts were unknown. By the time they identified her, the trash had already been dumped. Had they secured the dumpster when they found Ariana, it's possible they may have found Tyler as well. They were widely criticized for these mistakes. Unfortunately, it is believed that Tyler is somewhere in the Los Reales Landfill. Their father was tried and convicted in their case, currently on death row. His girlfriend (not the mother) pled guilty to 2nd degree murder and is serving 20 years.

So, I think TPD is working very hard to make sure they do everything the way they should. I have the uptmost respect for them and their efforts.

Thanks, Tam, for bringing up the Payne case. I agree that TPD has learned from that case, which is why they are treading cautiously. (Great recap, btw.)

 

[pieper4]

But I think they usually want the family to know, in those cases...JMO

True enough. Unless they grabbed the wrong family's child.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean, one thing that impressed me the most about Mark Lunsford is how he managed to keep making statements daily even while he was being sliced and diced by the public and media. He is rare though, he and Diena and Groene had a certain way of dealing with things that helped them through the devastation.

I will never forget Mark though..he was criticized from day 1 for his looks let alone any evidence and wrote the text book on how to keep your childs name in the news. What a strong and courageous man. I was so pleased to hear he had another baby.

Most parents though just can't get through the pain to do the work of daily pressers, media interviews etc. especially with all the suspicion. These ones really twist in the wind because they can't fight back as a way of coping.Isabel's parents are in a nightmare and I hope they are contacted by someone like Mark or Ed Smart or Mark Klaas, who can give them tips on how to keep Isabel in the news.

LE is helping with the two hour pressers but soon it will fade away and then they need to be available if they can find a way to do it without falling apart.

I just love Mark Lunsford. I knew from minute one that man adored his daughter and would die for her and never hurt her. If he had found Couey at the time before LE did Mark may be in prison today because he was so angry at one time. But thank God he calmed down and knew he had to trust in the justice system.

Mark is a strong man. He had to be. He was reading/hearing all the cruel false accusations hurled a him and his mother and father on the internet/media, and even though he said that hurt a lot... he forged on to be such a great advocate for innocent children who are robbed of life and happiness due to pedophiles.

I do hope Mark contacts these parents. They need his strong shoulder and guidance to get them through this.

The thing is Jessica's rapist/murderer was found....if not Mark would still have to put up with the false accusations. I just hope if something has happened to Isa they can find the person who did it for if not this family's life will be ruined for many years to come.

Remember how the man was suspected of murdering his own wife for over 20 years until BTK was finally caught? That man's life was ruined and he was totally innocent.

IMO

 

[JDB]

Which is why I said 'whether her parents were involved or not'. The drug world is seamy and full of sick vermin. If there are dealers and addicts living in the vicinity, it would be prudent to look down that path.

As far as I know, nobody has any idea what has happened to this little girl, so why would any theory be summarily dismissed out of hand? If drugs are prevalent in the area, it's as good a place to begin looking as any.

MOO.


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True could pay off a drug deal possibly if the dealers were also into child trafficking ( I hate typing that)

 

[mck16]

If the parents had a drug habit, I am sure it would've been brought up by now. The only mention of drugs I have heard is a paraphernalia charge against the father from like 1993.

I did not know of any charge. Do you have a link for that info. tia

 

[Patty G]

NG show it was said Fbi told them not to talk. I think they wanted to watch their media release first.

Butttttttt, the family did talk today and Nancy didn't address the family press conference at all. She showed it at the beginning of her show but this was a fill-in after the fact. The show came across confusing as I was waiting for her to discuss the family press conference and they discussed why the family isn't talking.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Parents speak, they are criticized, parents don't speak, same thing. As I have stated before as long as I keep hearing they are cooperating with LE that is all I need. I have no idea how I would act on tv in front of all these media outlets if I had a child missing.

Well spoken, KathyJ. Their consistent cooperation with LE speaks louder to me than my naive impression of their sincerity, or lack thereof, during the four minute (maybe?) statement they made under such horrific circumstances.

Praying for Isa's safe return . . . Lord, can you please make it soon?

 

[utahagen]

Dimples, I watched the parents' press conference and I do not think Isabel's parents are cool liars (a la Madleine McCann's parents). However, I think they know more about what happened to their daughter than they are letting on. They seem anguished and afraid, yet they don't seem to have any hope that Isabel is alive. I got the impression they know she's dead and they are horrified by that, but they are covering up for something and are terrified of being found out. Having waited several days to speak publicly, their first words should have been, "Isabel, we love you; Isabel, we're looking for you; whoever has Isabel, please bring her back to us!" They were meandering and indirect in a way that didn't make sense to me. Their pain was palpabale, but there was a lack of urgency in their tone and word choices. They seem to have moved beyond terror and into grief already, which doesn't make sense at this point. However grim the statistics are about kidnapping -- most children are dead within hours of being abducted -- parents are incapable of giving hope within just a few days. Yet, I don't think these parents have ANY hope, which tells me they know she is dead. Perhaps they are being blackmailed?