Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[southsleuth]

Re: Susan Smith--I worked with the SLED agent who went with Sheriff Wells (?) to "interview" her at the very beginning after she reported the so-called kidnapping. He told me that he and Wells gut instinct told them before they ever met her (in the car driving to see her) that her tale was fishy. He said after 2-3 minutes of the very first interview (police interview) that she was lying. They actually encouraged her to do the media rounds!

 

[Ontario Mom]

Can someone please point me to the link for the actual arrest report of JRR that was posted here? I've searched both threads and can't seem to find it. TIA

 

[Frigga]

Re: Susan Smith--I worked with the SLED agent who went with Sheriff Wells (?) to "interview" her at the very beginning after she reported the so-called kidnapping. He told me that he and Wells gut instinct told them before they ever met her (in the car driving to see her) that her tale was fishy. He said after 2-3 minutes of the very first interview (police interview) that she was lying. They actually encouraged her to do the media rounds!

Good to know.

I am pretty certain, that is the case here.

I don't like what I see and hear from TG and I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. She's a lying liar and for some reason was more interested in saving her own skin and that of her "husband" than to help save her own 8 year old daughter.

I have no tolerance for that.

 

[MsMarple]

Can someone please point me to the link for the actual arrest report of JRR that was posted here? I've searched both threads and can't seem to find it. TIA

It hasn't been posted. I've been searching online since the police released it but haven't had any luck so far. You might be thinking of the man arrested in the Katherine Alejandra Gonzalez case.

 

[bessie]

Thanks for the info!

Do you know if FB messages are able to be retrieved once deleted?

The messages I saw were FB messages. Still likely to be sent via text (as mine are) and likely accessed by mobile device since all parties were on the move that night.

I don't have a definite answer to that question. Off hand, I would think that from the cellular provider's side, they would be treated as all SMS data (i.e., texts, images). Facebook, however, does retain data on its servers when profiles are removed from public view (deactivated). Even when an account is deleted, the data remains stored for a period of time. If a third party app is used to send a FB message as a text, the data might be retained on that provider's server, also.

JMO: considering the short length of time involved, I'd say there's an excellent chance LE has the ability to access the message(s).

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[ChuckMaureen]

If this isn't obstruction of justice then I don't know what is:

911: So you had her with you at Walmart and then she disappeared?
RF: No no no no. She stayed at home with her sister and her mom getting ready for bed. Her sister and my mom getting ready for bed and when we got back she was already gone.
911: You left her an hour ago?
RF: About an hour, hour and a half.
911: And she was there at the Lakeside house?
RF: Yeah.
911: Okay, and where was she when they last saw her?
RF: She was getting ready for bed in the living room. That's the last place I seen her.
911: And so that's when you left and went to Walmart?
RF: Yes.
911: Alright, and you said so the little girl was home with her Grandma?
RF: With her sister and her Grandma. Her Grandma I believe is asleep so...
911: And how old is her sister?
RF: Her sister is 10.
911: And what does your 10, what does your 10 year old sister say?
RF: She said that she's not able to find her. She says she's been looking for her and can't find her.

“I got a call from my older daughter saying she couldn’t find Bella. She couldn’t find Justin. We looked around outside, then we called police,” Bella's mother told the Nancy Grace team.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/05/911-call-missing-isabella-grogan-cannella

Grogan says she left Isabella and her older sister upstairs with Folster's mother. She claims she did not even know Rector, a family friend, was in the home. Court records, however, state Grogan's two children were downstairs with Rector and three other friends. Grogan says she called police after searching for Isabella for more than 40 minutes.

http://www.kpho.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world?autostart=true

I am doubting when the group actually returned from Wal-Mart / where ever to the house to finally realize Isabella was truly *missing*. It almost seems they did not return immediately and that RF was not made fully aware of the situation when he made the 911 call .. that he was not aware that JJR had returned to the house after they left for Wal-Mart? I'm betting TG did not believe or at did not understand the older sibling that JJR had returned to the house after they left (assuming JJR did in fact leave the house when the group left for Wal-Mart as has been claimed).

Again ... more unknowns.

 

[jojo87]

There must be a reason the FBI advised TG not to talk to the media. If my daughter had been murdered apart from being too distraught to do so I would definitely take LE advice in case I jeopardized the case.

 

[redfish]

There must be a reason the FBI advised TG not to talk to the media. If my daughter had been murdered apart from being too distraught to do so I would definitely take LE advice in case I jeopardized the case.

(Shaking my head) Bless her heart. She appears to have quite the problem with authority. She probably would not be getting so much flack if she had listened to their request.

 

[news.talk]

I am doubting when the group actually returned from Wal-Mart / where ever to the house to finally realize Isabella was truly *missing*. It almost seems they did not return immediately and that RF was not made fully aware of the situation when he made the 911 call .. that he was not aware that JJR had returned to the house after they left for Wal-Mart? I'm betting TG did not believe or at did not understand the older sibling that JJR had returned to the house after they left (assuming JJR did in fact leave the house when the group left for Wal-Mart as has been claimed).

Again ... more unknowns.

As per the police reports:

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

From the above link, it states that in police report Rector was in the home before the trip to walmart.

Police records indicate that Rector remained in the home with Grogan-Cannella and her 10-year sister while Grogan and her husband went to Walmart. When they returned, Rector and the 8-year-old were nowhere to be found.

IOW, they knew full well that he was in the house when they left for WM and that he was missing at the EXACT same time as Bella. They are trying to cover up their culpability for failing to report these facts.

 

[jojo87]

This is interesting on data Facebook gives when accounts are subpoenaed
http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/ph...formation-heres-what-facebook-sends-cops.aspx

and this from Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/

 

[southsleuth]

Good to know.

I am pretty certain, that is the case here.

I don't like what I see and hear from TG and I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. She's a lying liar and for some reason was more interested in saving her own skin and that of her "husband" than to help save her own 8 year old daughter.

I have no tolerance for that.

Could very well be that the FBI agent asked something about "Why did you do that to Tania", if in fact he said it at all. Those were her words.
What also makes me boiling mad is her underhanded request for food and travel for Bella's out of town relatives who attend her memorial. I was born, raised and live in the South, although I have lived for short times in other parts of the USA. Not once have I seen family, friends and guests starve after a funeral/memorial. No matter the family circumstances the good folks around the community will provide more than enough and they will do it FOR BELLA!

 

[Ontario Mom]

It hasn't been posted. I've been searching online since the police released it but haven't had any luck so far. You might be thinking of the man arrested in the Katherine Alejandra Gonzalez case.

That's possible I thought it had been posted but maybe not.

In any event, the reason I wanted to see it again (I thought I'd already seen it) was this:

"Investigators first learned of Rector's potential role in Isabella's disappearance and murder from her 10-year-old sister, according to court documents. The 10-year-old, whose name is redacted throughout the report, told investigators that she and Isabella were at their mother's home playing hide-and-seek with Rector on Monday. The older girl said she went to the restroom at some point and when she came out, Rector and Isabella were gone, according to court records."

Then this:

"The girls' mother returned home with friends and contacted police early Tuesday morning after she could not find Isabella, according to court documents. Investigators began looking for Rector that morning and found him near a highway in Bullhead City at about 3 a.m. Tuesday, according to court records. Police believe Rector stole a pair of shoes and other clothes from the Walmart, and Rector admitted to hiding his old belongings in the store, according to a police report."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...sing-girl-body-arrest-bullhead-city/15072651/

As we all know, Rector's name was never once mentioned in the 911 call but they (LE) did learn of him through Bella's sister. NOT THE PARENTS. Bella's sister may be young and may have been stressed out in the situation but she knew enough to tell LE he was there and then disappeared the same time Bella did.

Which brings me to this comment:

"I was told that my daughter made a statement to (the Daily News) and you (reporters) took it out of proportion, that there was a text message,” Grogan said. “Well, you know what? She’s 10 years old, under a lot of stress right now, and she doesn’t know what the heck she’s saying." http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_2b908420-3660-11e4-a821-0019bb2963f4.html

I have to wonder why TG is trying so hard to get the general public to believe her older daughter isn't credible. Is it because neither she or RF were the ones who told the police the truth about JR being there, but it came from her daughter instead? If Bella's sister's info to the police was credible enough for them to go look for him and eventually arrest him, I really wonder if the messages she said he sent were also just as credible. And since it certainly wouldn't have been the sister he sent the messages to, it would have had to have been either RF or TG or both of them, and then one or both of them started talking about it within earshot of the sister.

I believe one of the reporters asked about these messages at the PC and LE answered they can't comment on that right now, ongoing investigation, etc.

In any case, TG is trying very hard to have all of us believe her older daughter doesn't "know what the heck she's saying". I beg to differ.

 

[news.talk]

There must be a reason the FBI advised TG not to talk to the media. If my daughter had been murdered apart from being too distraught to do so I would definitely take LE advice in case I jeopardized the case.

Here in the great white north, after a suspect is in custody, LE can no longer publicly discuss details of the case as it is before the court and could hinder prosecution. Victim's family's are doubly invested in ensuring prosecution is air-tight and are told not to speak to media.

This is why I am so boggled in this case - TG is HELPING Defence Counsel by providing several alternate versions of the events that tragic night. She is handing them reasonable doubt.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Here in the great white north, after a suspect is in custody, LE can no longer publicly discuss details of the case as it is before the court and could hinder prosecution. Victim's family's are doubly invested in ensuring prosecution is air-tight and are told not to speak to media.

This is why I am so boggled in this case - TG is HELPING Defence Counsel by providing several alternate versions of the events that tragic night. She is handing them reasonable doubt.

Based on all I've read, I believe this woman is seriously narcissistic and despite what she's been told by LE, she can't help but feed off all this attention. I know it sounds horribly twisted but I believe this to be the case.

 

[MCDRAW]

There must be a reason the FBI advised TG not to talk to the media. If my daughter had been murdered apart from being too distraught to do so I would definitely take LE advice in case I jeopardized the case.

I believe I would be too shocked and distraught to give interviews. I hope I never find out for sure how I would handle things.

 

[lonetraveler]

And we wonder why these things keep happening over and over and over to these innocent children? I suppose it's easy to find excuses for anything in the abstract. Until one is presented with the reality of this kind of situation threatening one who is loved dearly. The excuses and explaining away of T's behaviour, lifestyle, choices leaves me feeling ill. Not one word of how little Bella might have felt.....did she scream? Was she shaking? IN SHOCK? My hope is that T is haunted by those questions for eternity. But, I doubt it.

I totally agree. I'm so tired and disgusted that we get to see this type of situation every single day where an innocent child loses their life due to a parent's sorry decisions. I have probably watched every single news video of this mother's statements and not once does she accept any responsibility at all in what has happened to Bella. Quite the contrary, she repeated declares that she had absolutely nothing to do with Bella's death and that she would protect her with her life, took good care of her by legal or non-legal means. Does not express regret or remorse of any decisions of hers which may have had impact on Bella's death.

I simply cannot find an excuse.

 

[news.talk]

Based on all I've read, I believe this woman is seriously narcissistic and despite what she's been told by LE, she can't help but feed off all this attention. I know it sounds horribly twisted but I believe this to be the case.

I completely agree and would add, that she is also doing the press rounds to point out she is a good mother. She seems obsessed with strangers opinions on her character which only lends credence to the possibility she suffers with narcissistic personality disorder, at the very least.

The very fact that her child's killer could get off because she is handing him reasonable doubt only fuels that perception.

 

[jojo87]

I have to agree that TG isn't responsible for JRs actions nor are drugs but I have to hold her responsible for giving JR access and opportunity to do this to her daughter. She knew his history and she had only regained custody of her children she could have said I know you need a place to stay but I have to put my children first.
I don't believe she is telling the true story either when you are truthful your story doesn't change. When you are not truthful small details change everytime its told. That's what's happening here and I have to wonder why first of you wouldn't be honest to find your missing child and then why wouldn't you be honest to ensure the horrible person who did this wasn't prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

[news.talk]

I totally agree. I'm so tired and disgusted that we get to see this type of situation every single day where an innocent child loses their life due to a parent's sorry decisions. I have probably watched every single news video of this mother's statements and not once does she accept any responsibility at all in what has happened to Bella. Quite the contrary, she repeated declares that she had absolutely nothing to do with Bella's death and that she would protect her with her life, took good care of her by legal or non-legal means. Does not express regret or remorse of any decisions of hers which may have had impact on Bella's death.

I simply cannot find an excuse.

I firmly believe these cases should serve as a wake-up call to CPS workers to be even more diligent with removing children from unsafe environments before a tragedy occurs. The same goes for when they are returning children back into the care of parents that were negligent or abusive. There needs to be higher standards and we as a society need to hold them to that standard.

Hopefully extended family members that may have a TG in their family, will also be more pro-active. Whether it be by offering more support systems or taking steps to remove the children from dangerous environments. Keeping the peace in the family is not worth a child's life.

 

[Magdalyn]

I still contend that TG's "choices and actions" did NOT "lead to her child's murder."

Snipped for focus

According to this article, the police report states:

The adults were upstairs and the two girls were downstairs. Justin James Rector was also downstairs with the girls.

At some point, most of the adults left the house. Before leaving, Grogan told the two girls to watch a movie downstairs. Foster's mother was upstairs in bed.

Bella's sister told police she and her sister were playing hide and seek. She decided to go to the bathroom and when she came out, she could not find her sister.

The sister notified Foster's mother and then called her mother. The other adults returned home and they began looking for Bella. When they were unable to locate her, they contacted police at about 1:30 a.m

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http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/news/Police...arrest-in-Bullhead-City-murder-274120571.html

A grown male violent felon who 'gets off on strangling animals' was downstairs hanging out with the girls, while the parents were upstairs, before they even left. A known felon was knowingly given unfettered access to an 8 year old and 10 year old girl before and after they left for Walmart. These things are the actual events that allowed JR to do what he did the night he did it. He did not come to his opportunity as a stranger who stalked at a distance, snuck into her room in the dark of the night and stole her from her bed. Unlike GG he did have all the signs of not being a person you'd leave your dog alone with, let alone your children. TG knew this.

Who, on September 1st, was ultimately legally responsible for the environment in which her children are living?

Who made the decision to allow known felons to be/live in the same house as her biological children?

Who has the ultimate authority and responsibility to say, "You can not be in my house or near my kids. You are a violent felon"?

Who made the decision to allow a person who is known to strangle animals... in her yard, let alone on either side of the glass door in the house where her children live?

Who decided NOT to mention the known felon was the last person her daughter was seen with? Who is not denouncing the 911 caller for not mentioning JRs presence that night?

Who is now implying her own daughter's recollection of events that night are not to be believed?



JR is rightfully responsible for what he did after he was granted unfettered access. Who is responsible for the actual access this violent felon had on September 1st?