Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[atthelake]

1. I do not believe that TG wanted to make the 911 call
2. I am not really sure she was even in the house at that point
JMHO

I thought when I read the transcripts of the call "why aren't they asking to speak with the mother".... a la 911 call Cindy Anthony made when the 911 operator asked to speak with Casey. I just expected them to and thought that was standard procedure I guess...

 

[atthelake]

Hello

I have been reading this thread for the past few days. Brand new to your site and ordinarily wouldn't dream of getting into discussions such as this, but this one hit too close to home. I lived in Bullhead for 18 years and only just last year moved out of state. My house was on the topside of the wash where Bella was found. I was very hesitant to begin this post. I have read the forum rules and I believe I am okay to paste the following link. If it is inappropriate to post it, please feel free to do away with it. I haven't read every post on this site, so perhaps someone has already noted it and I just did not see it.

https://www.facebook.com/mohavevalleydailynews

What I found interesting and rather frightening was an image underneath the second article showing the car wash, is a part of someone's facebook page, then the comment underneath it.

I do not know these people (Bella's family and their cohorts). Many look familiar, but spending that much time in a town such as this, (and some late WalMart nights, myself), one is bound to see just about everyone at one time or another.

I hope this is not only appropriate, but of interest. Thank you for letting me put my "two cents worth" in.

:wagon: What a great contribution for your first post! Others here may have seen that, but I had not. Hope you continue posting here at WS

 

[2Hope4]

If darling Bella didn't have on shoes, we don't know for sure, but if she didn't, then how would she walk to the area she was found? And if she was carried that far, WOW! JR doesn't look very big or strong, but I guess adrenaline, and drugs could make you much stronger.

I'm just sad we've lost another child, and sadly will continue to lose more. It makes me want to eradicate such dangerous drugs, but I've no idea where to even start. I once told my husband the solution was to give them all drugs they wanted, and eventurally they would kill themselves out, but that isn't the answer. Because in the mean time, innocent kids are harmed. Drug screening for public assistance, but again, would it harm the innocent kids? Or are the kids even seeing the benefits? Are the benefits just sold for drugs? I don't know. I have sympathy for drug addicts, and hope they are able to want to kick the habit, and become their former selves, and yet I get so angry when situations like this happen. I'm addicted to cigarettes. I KNOW it's a terrible habit, harms myself, isn't good for anyone else around me, and yet, I still smoke. It's selfish of me! I'm sure other drugs would be even harder to stop, and stay away from. *sigh*

I need to get better educated about drugs in general. I know they exist, but don't know much more. I know I don't want my kids to think they are OK, or get involved in them. I know they've been tempted by peers, and now with my DD having panic attacks, I'm so afraid someone will tell her how well this or that helps, and she'll try it, because those attacks are horrifying to witness, so I can't imagine what her little body is feeling. If only she would get into counseling to learn how to deal with the stresses of life.

I have dealt with chronic pain for more years than not. 22yrs of this crap. I was once put on Methadone for the pain. I thought that meant meth, and was horrified. Even the pharmacist were looking at me funny when I got my script filled. Or so I thought. I switched to a smaller private drug store, and explained why I took it. I can't say it ever stopped my pain. But I know at times, if someone offered a magic solution to stop the pain, I might very well be weak enough to try. Whether to end the physical or emotional pain.

So I guess I can see how easy it would be to try something, for whatever reason, and become addicted to it. Whether it started as a recreational use, a self medicating use, or product of one's environment, the end result would be the same.

What can we do to stop another Bella? Another Hayleigh? Another Relisha? Another Trenton? and the list goes on? HOW can we as a society help our kids to stay alive???

 

[atthelake]

Don't mean to sound cold, but the man is *maybe* a step parent, quite possibly just the mom's boyfriend. He has no bio attachment to the child. He couldn't remember what her name was when speaking to the 911 operator, nor, it seems, her birth date. I can't see a judge granting a continuance--due to the memorial-- considering his lack of relation and his charges.

Gah, I just read the 911 transcript again, and am enraged anew at his response in this portion of the exchange:



But you do have a clue, RF. And you know she didn't leave by herself. What's odd is the fact you mention none of this at a time when your 'step daughter' may have still been alive, and still had her shorts on. What's odd is that LE had to get this information from the youngest person remaining in the house that night. :furious:

I just listened to the 911 call audio, start to finish, and it sounds like more than just his daughter in the background talking while he is on the phone. At least one other male.

 

[margarita25]

Wow, you guys are tough. Right On!

 

[atthelake]

Oh yes, I think the 10 year old can be trusted in what she saw that night. Her clothing description was spot on, very detailed.

Yes, and it wasn't clothing that the step dad could describe either with prompting. Listening to the 911 call, each part of the description was provided by her... 3 or more questions to her. It wasn't like she described the color first off and then he said, "oh yeah"...with him continuing the description.

 

[skibaboo]

I had no internet all day yesterday, it just came back on. I tried to keep up on my phone but it was a bit of a lost cause.

2Hope4, I just wanted to say I am so sorry about your cat It wasn't your fault, it was an accident. But I know you are gonna blame yourself anyway, I lost a cat in a similar way and blamed myself too. You can't help it, but it was not your fault hun (hugs) And re your last post and your daughters panic attacks. I have had anxiety and panic disorder for almost 2 decades, something that really helped me understand is a book called 'Hope and help for your nerves' by Dr Claire Weekes, it doesn't cost much and is well known as the 'anxiety bible' There is an anxiety thread here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?254974-Anxiety-Thread-(Sticky-)

If you need to talk or have questions I would be more than happy to try and help

Ok sorry for the OT, off to catch up.

 

[Ontario Mom]

If you, as an adult, were awakened by a 10 year old that a younger child was missing... wouldn't YOU be the one calling the mother, wouldn't YOU still be awake when the police were called and the mother had been screaming upstairs? She didn't, she wasn't - according to reports.

If my grand-daughter woke me up and told me she couldn't find her sister, I'd be wide awake and in Mama Bear Mode. No two ways about it. The thing here is, we don't know how close RF's mom and TG were. For all we know, RF'S mom didn't even have TG's phone number to call her. RF's mom said herself in an interview that she WAS asleep when it happened, so one can only assume she was never asked to watch the girls, and had no idea RF and TG had even left that night.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I wonder if the 10 year old would be interviewed by LE. The only one who may have the truth, but perhaps will never be interviewed for a statement .. one that could be used for court as she wouldn't be put on the stand :moo:

According to msm reports, the paternal grandmother now has full custody. I would assume it would be up to her (the grandmother) whether or not to allow her grand daughter to be interviewed. I don't know about BHC but I know in many instances when it's a child the PD has a specially trained officer on staff (or they bring one in) that knows how to interview children without adding further trauma. It would be a difficult decision for sure, wanting to shield the child from the horrible memories but also wanting the right people held responsible and seeing justice done.

 

[skibaboo]

There's a really nice post on fb from grandma (SW) who has the girls. Warmed my heart to hear. Hope I'm allowed to say that?

 

[Hoosgirl]

Sorry, on my phone so can't grab the link. But if you go to Mohave Valley Daily News fb page, in comments under their first post about Bella Sept. 2nd, there is a response posted by the newspaper about why no amber alert due to no info as to an abduction (there are like 400 some comments so go way down). Hopefully someone can bring it over since it is msm. It just really makes me mad that the police are being criticized when it seems like no one was forthcoming to them about the abduction possibility!

 

[Z&BsMommy]

Ok, I'm very new here and I had to chime in.. I was an opiate addict for majority of my later teen years, and twenties.. The MOMENT I found out I was pregnant, I stopped. Cold turkey. I literally felt like I was dying, except worse. Iy was the hardest thing I have ever done. My point is that I did it. I decided to make a life and bring that life into the world. To be a parent our children have to come first!! I am now mommy to 2 beautiful little boys, and have been sober for over 3 years. I UNDERSTAND addiction, what I don't understand is putting yourself before your babies.. Sorry, rant over!

 

[SCHMAE]

I just want to say that in my humble opinion only , there is no way mom is a meth head !

 

[Camdenres]

You are correct. I saw them, myself.

What can I say. We mods have worked very hard to keep rumors at bay. Then this one comes along right from the mom herself via MSM. So it goes.

No internet rumor can cut nearly as close as the reality. Touching her child's hands and feet in the morgue? Unimaginable! We don't have to pin a parenting award on her chest, but Lord knows she's still deserving of our compassion. JMO

I cannot muster one ounce of compassion for this woman...this did not have to happen. WTH did she think was going to happen? She sent her daughter off to slaughter...imho!

 

[Magdalyn]

I guess my psychological make-up makes it physically impossible for me to feel empathy for a person I am also enraged with on behalf of the child.

I can feel great empathy for a mother who loses a child through no fault of her own. I can feel empathy for a mother who made a simple 'human' mistake (thought the fire was banked for the night, didn't know the curtains were too close, was wrong, house burns down killing children.)

When I find that a mother was knowingly exposing a child to unlawful, dangerous, risky circumstances, criminals and criminal behavior, when I see a parent can't be bothered to get off the couch and go physically look for their 6 year old when they haven't seen them for hours, when I see a mother put her children in the back of a seatless van of a strange man, allow the strange man to escort their little girl to the 'changing room' in exchange for the promise of a Wal-Mart gift card...When CPS has stepped in before, given them a chance to straighten up, and they don't. When they clearly value their drug of choice, their grifter ways, their partying lifestyle, their rotation of boyfriends.....I just can not feel empathy. I can't feel it for the parent who doesn't value their child and empathize with their own child until they are dead.

Not all mothers are created equal. Some are sociopaths, narcissists, addicts. They themselves could not empathize with their own child. When I see that, I can not physiologically/psychologically empathize with that mother. I just can't. And I don't personally believe they automatically deserve compassion because they happened to have brought a human life into this world. That's not what makes a Mother with a capital M, due all honors, respect, and compassion, in my opinion. What makes a Mother is what you do when the child is here.

 

[MsMarple]

You are correct. I saw them, myself.

What can I say. We mods have worked very hard to keep rumors at bay. Then this one comes along right from the mom herself via MSM. So it goes.

No internet rumor can cut nearly as close as the reality. Touching her child's hands and feet in the morgue? Unimaginable! We don't have to pin a parenting award on her chest, but Lord knows she's still deserving of our compassion. JMO

If I suspend all thoughts about the circumstances surrounding Bella's murder then yes, as one mom to another mom I feel compassion for TG's loss: no mom should ever have to go through such a tragedy.

But where was her compassion for Bella? She chose to keep JR's existence secret. She stayed upstairs, “distraught” and left it to her husband - who couldn't even get Bella's name right – to call 911 and misdirect the authorities as to Bella's whereabouts. And when LE responded to the house she continued to keep information about JR from them and the search team.

And now where is her compassion for her remaining daughter? TG declared to msm that the little girl “doesn't know what the heck she's saying.” If her daughter made a mistake then so be it. Why make a public announcement? To throw her daughter under the bus in order to make herself look like a “good mother” speaks volumes about TG and compassion.

 

[skibaboo]

Sorry, on my phone so can't grab the link. But if you go to Mohave Valley Daily News fb page, in comments under their first post about Bella Sept. 2nd, there is a response posted by the newspaper about why no amber alert due to no info as to an abduction (there are like 400 some comments so go way down). Hopefully someone can bring it over since it is msm. It just really makes me mad that the police are being criticized when it seems like no one was forthcoming to them about the abduction possibility!

https://www.facebook.com/mohavevalleydailynews/photos/a.454473801250262.105186.158659934164985/849468375084134/?type=1&theater

Here it is, you need to scroll down through the comments to the one from MVDN (It's 3 September at 00:28 for me, but I'm in the UK)

 

[Magdalyn]

If I suspend all thoughts about the circumstances surrounding Bella's murder then yes, as one mom to another mom I feel compassion for TG's loss: no mom should ever have to go through such a tragedy.

But where was her compassion for Bella? She chose to keep JR's existence secret. She stayed upstairs, “distraught” and left it to her husband - who couldn't even get Bella's name right – to call 911 and misdirect the authorities as to Bella's whereabouts. And when LE responded to the house she continued to keep information about JR from them and the search team.

And now where is her compassion for her remaining daughter? TG declared to msm that the little girl “doesn't know what the heck she's saying.” If her daughter made a mistake then so be it. Why make a public announcement? To throw her daughter under the bus in order to make herself look like a “good mother” speaks volumes about TG and compassion.

Gah. In my post, I hadn't even included the fact that they hindered/obstructed the active search for Bella.

The child's safety and well being never once came first. The one person Bella should have been able to depend on to go to the ends of the earth for her, couldn't make the 911 call herself, couldn't make herself mention the felon her daughter was with.

Now she is publically minimizing/calling a liar the ONE CHILD she has left. She still can't do it. Can't put her child first.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

Not necessarily. If he implicates the parents in the kidnapping charge and even the murder charge, pleading to unlawful disposing of a body, he *might* stand a chance. He can say he only helped with the body (provided no sexual assault DNA is recovered) providing explanation for the victims DNA and given the parent's hinky stories, he might just have enough for reasonable doubt. Reasonable Doubt does not mean he is innocent - just that there is enough doubt created to dismiss the charge.

Bottom line - The mother needs to shut up if she wants to ensure a conviction.

What has TG said that would jeopardize a JJR conviction? (serious question, not being contentious).

 

[MsMarple]

Gah. In my post, I hadn't even included the fact that they hindered/obstructed the active search for Bella.

The child's safety and well being never once came first. The one person Bella should have been able to depend on to go to the ends of the earth for her, couldn't make the 911 call herself, couldn't make herself mention the felon her daughter was with.

Now she is publically minimizing/calling a liar the ONE CHILD she has left. She still can't do it. Can't put her child first.

You made insightful points in your post. It just goes to show how many levels of wrong exist in this case.