Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #2

[3blue1pink]

They're some pretty decent size boxes, far larger than the small evidence bags we've seen in other murdered person's cases. Wonder what evidence was seized that required boxes. Maybe a computer? Has anything been release as to what was confiscated?

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...1e4-877f-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=image&photo=0

Maybe stolen items ?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

If, and again, if this had babysat for the girls prior, and nothing happened, they might expect them to return and 'clear it up'. OR, they were trying to cover their own behinds by not mentioning that he was there, alone, with their children.

I know most folks would vote for option #2, but I am still not convinced that the parents (as horribly misguided and uneducated and not too smart as they are) were involved in this.

I'm not thinking they were involved either, however I absolutely believe drugs play a factor and the relationship these adults had with Rector could hold some culpability.

 

[news.talk]

They're some pretty decent size boxes, far larger than the small evidence bags we've seen in other murdered person's cases. Wonder what evidence was seized that required boxes. Maybe a computer? Has anything been release as to what was confiscated?

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...1e4-877f-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=image&photo=0

Usually, items are sealed in bag and placed in the box corresponding to the location; such as a "living room, bedroom, etc...)

 

[seattlechiquita]

I'm not thinking they were involved either, however I absolutely believe drugs play a factor and the relationship these adults had with Rector could hold some culpability.

Oh, I am inclined to believe drug activity might have taken place as well. I want to know what the relationship between these two and Rector was, where did it originate, how long, how close, you name it.

 

[3blue1pink]

anyone know if TG got her car back did they impound it ?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Maybe stolen items ?

That's what I initially thought but I thought the stolen items were recovered when Ralph was initially arrested with the other guys prior to Bella's murder. I think it's pretty interesting that he's a convicted felon that was also charged with having a weapon at the time of his last arrest. What's he need a gun for?

 

[3blue1pink]

Oh, I am inclined to believe drug activity might have taken place as well. I want to know what the relationship between these two and Rector was, where did it originate, how long, how close, you name it.

From what I've read . Originated from JJR being "loosely" related to RC. From that my guess would be they've (TG and JJR) have known each other forc more than 10 years . TG has said " he was like family " .

 

[lillybell]

I'm wondering why Tania took Rector in, there were already three adults and two children in that two bed roomed home, so not enough bedroom space for everyone as it was.
Why would you let a convict stay at your home, he wasn't family. He can't have been paying her rent to stay there, couldn't really contribute to the family income.
How long had he been staying there?

 

[3blue1pink]

That's what I initially thought but I thought the stolen items were recovered when Ralph was initially arrested with the other guys prior to Bella's murder. I think it's pretty interesting that he's a convicted felon that was also charged with having a weapon at the time of his last arrest. What's he need a gun for?

Yes, but I'm sure that that was not their only time stealing stuff. They probably have a ton of stolen stuff in THIER possesSion.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I'm wondering why Tania took Rector in, there were already three adults and two children in that two bed roomed home, so not enough bedroom space for everyone as it was.
Why would you let a convict stay at your home, he wasn't family. He can't have been paying her rent to stay there, couldn't really contribute to the family income.
How long had he been staying there?

All excellent questions. She somehow considered him "family", or at least that's what she said on that first (?) aired interview. There is much more to this story that we just do not know. Driving me batty.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

From what I've read . Originated from JJR being "loosely" related to RC. From that my guess would be they've (TG and JJR) have known each other forc more than 10 years . TG has said " he was like family ".

That's what I thought as well. I thought Tania as well as her sister were close with him. I wonder if they have records in Idaho, besides RC.

 

[tier]

That is what I am thinking right now. Maybe they really, really thought it was not a big deal. But then again, why report it in the first place? at all?

I'm thinking with them allowing him to crash with them for a few days they thought he was just making some kind of point when he took her and texted them. That he was just trying to scare them into/out of something.

If the bathroom trip the sister took was at 11:30 like the press conference stated the sister probably did not wait an hour or two to call her mom.

So my bet is they waited and waited, tried to get ahold of him, drove around, cleaned up the home for illegal paraphernalia and finally called 911.

The boyfriend, RF, seems totally unconcerned in 911 so I'm guessing mom is the one starting to freak out and he tells her they should wait and that Justin isn't really going to do anything bad to Bella, Justin isn't that stupid so why get the cops over here he'll be back just wait you'll see, etc.

So they don't mention him thinking they don't want him talking to the police and hopefully he'll just bring her back and they'll then make some excuse for him having her.

But that never happened so we have Tania breaking down screaming when a body is found. Because deep down she knows it is her baby regardless of what her boyfriend says.

Now the question is if the above is true doesn't that shock the chit out of you and you'd dump him and take your lumps and beg to stay with family and start a change in lifestyle. Even druggies can be shocked into a temporary change (even if they end up back in that lifestyle later).

 

[MsMarple]

If, and again, if this had babysat for the girls prior, and nothing happened, they might expect them to return and 'clear it up'. OR, they were trying to cover their own behinds by not mentioning that he was there, alone, with their children.

I know most folks would vote for option #2, but I am still not convinced that the parents (as horribly misguided and uneducated and not too smart as they are) were involved in this.

JR had babysat for them before. Bella's mom trusted him with her life. I'm sure she thought he was an upstanding guy. He'd just gotten out of rehab and had no place to go. I wonder why. /sarcasm

Grogan said Rector had been close with the family for years, even watching the girls several times in the past.

"I trusted him with my life. My children are my life, and now one of them is gone and they want to take the other one from me," Grogan said.

Grogan said Rector never showed signs of aggression until recently. She said his ex-girlfriend recently filed police reports accusing him of strangling her pets.

"Something triggered in his head, and he just got off on strangling, I guess. He strangled my daughter to death. That's how she died," Grogan said.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him

 

[ChuckMaureen]

JJR arrested and accused of kidnapping and murdering Isabella Gronan.

Is this his first? Has he done this in the past?

This is a link to an unsolved case in Tucson:
http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2012/04/isabel-celis-missing-6-year-old-from.html

JJR has family in Mesa and Phoenix, which I believe are within 120 miles of Tucson.

....wondering.

 

[lillybell]

All excellent questions. She somehow considered him "family", or at least that's what she said on that first (?) aired interview. There is much more to this story that we just do not know. Driving me batty.

Oh it's driving me mad too. I'm sure lots more will come out. I will be surprised if there's no more arrests or charges.
I'm just not patient and need to know now!lol.

 

[Dr. Know?]

JJR arrested and accused of kidnapping and murdering Isabella Gronan.

Is this his first? Has he done this in the past?

This is a link to an unsolved case in Tucson:
http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2012/04/isabel-celis-missing-6-year-old-from.html

JJR has family in Mesa and Phoenix, which I believe are within 120 miles of Tucson.

....wondering.

I really don't think he's involved in Isabel's disappearance. There's a few high on the list in her case. jmo

 

[ChuckMaureen]

I really don't think he's involved in Isabel's disappearance. There's a few high on the list in her case. jmo

The question remains: has JJR done this before?

 

[Magdalyn]

Mt quick response to this is they thought he would bring her back unharmed and it would all be "a misunderstanding". NO, I am not condoning their reasoning, but this might have been it.

Thinking of the alleged FB post (?) (text? whatever...) "I've got her, What are you going to do about it"

If that is factual, it sounds like JR was confident that even if they were to call police about Bella, they would not dare suggest he had her. Like, "You know what info I have on you. So yeah. I got your daughter. What are YOU going to do about it."

If that exchange turns out to be true, it looks like he was right. Because TG never brought him up as a possibility. Her daughter did. As an actuality.

 

[Ontario Mom]

As for JGG, I'm sure he has to be there.

"Rector was found near Highway 95 and Walmart about 3:20 a.m. Tuesday. Police learned he had stolen a pair of shoes, underwear and a shirt from the store. He admitted to leaving his old shoes in the store and hiding his old short along the highway. Detectives recovered video of the theft along with the shirt and shoes."

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...tor-arrest-murder/c6Pw5lyRv0qWbv42DfoRfA.cspx

Yep, we know for a fact he was there, and what time. Although the time frame for him has not been released, that I'm aware of.

 

[2Hope4]

I wrote a post about that a bit ago. IMO, they were calling his bluff....perhaps JR said, or implied, or hinted that there was no way they would call the cops because of what activities were going on in the home, or some other blackmail. Perhaps they thought JR would see the cops, realize they weren't playing, but he had no idea they hadn't told o about him. In my hypothesis, the cops weren't called to really find Bella, but to intimidate, or force JR to return her. Unfortunately, I think so much time had lapsed between him taking Bella, and police being called, that he had already killed her. ALL JMO!