Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

[news.talk]

Out of fifty-two pictures there are two pics of only TG.

Is it possible someone (not TG, probably someone at the FH or a friend) simply located and uploaded a folder of family pictures that happened to contain two TG-only pics and maybe they were simply overlooked or possibly dismissed of being of Bella (someone not very familiar with the family, after all, Bella did look like a mini-TG)?

Really? That is the best explanation?

 

[Seajay]

Omg to take over her obit?? That is disgusting. Why are there photos of TG solo? And are some of them her when she was younger too? Just disgusting.

Btw, to view on mobile you just have to click where it says "view obituary". The link is just the main page.

BBM: I'm glad you brought that up, I thought I was mistaken when I thought I saw pictures of Mama when she was younger on the obit slideshow.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Sorry for quoting myself but I seen them now. Switched to iPad.

Wow, never seen anything like that before. A couple of the ones with RF seem a little inappropriate too IMO

Very inappropriate and her mother s attempt at sexy selfies is stomach turning to see them on an 8 year old murdered child s obit. I just have never seen anything like this in my life !

 

[kimi_SFC]

I don't see any pics? I'm on my phone though.

Same here - can't access images vi iPhone (although I'm not sure I want to from what I'm reading on the thread from my fellow WSers :thud: )


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[mikeysmommom]

Out of fifty-two pictures there are two pics of only TG.

Is it possible someone (not TG, probably someone at the FH or a friend) simply located and uploaded a folder of family pictures that happened to contain two TG-only pics and maybe they were simply overlooked or possibly dismissed of being of Bella (someone not very familiar with the family, after all, Bella did look like a mini-TG)?

She was 8 !!!!!!! No way does that pic with a cleavage look like an 8 year old child, clearly looks like a used up older then 8 yr old woman .

 

[news.talk]

(Interesting):


Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder generally believe that the world revolves around them. This condition is characterized by a lack of ability to empathize with others and a desire to keep the focus on themselves at all times.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships. People who are narcissistic are frequently described as cocky, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. Narcissists may concentrate on unlikely personal outcomes (e.g., fame) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment.

Related personality traits include: Psychopathy, Machiavellianism.

Narcissists tend to have high self-esteem. However, narcissism is not the same thing as self-esteem; people who have high self-esteem are often humble, whereas narcissists rarely are. It was once thought that narcissists have high self-esteem on the surface, but deep down they are insecure. However, the latest evidence indicates that narcissists are actually secure or grandiose at both levels. Onlookers may infer that insecurity is there because narcissists tend to be defensive when their self-esteem is threatened (e.g., being ridiculed); narcissists can be aggressive. The sometimes dangerous lifestyle may more generally reflect sensation-seeking or impulsivity (e.g., risky sex, bold financial decisions).

*Reacts to criticism with anger, shame or humiliation
*Takes advantage of others to reach his or her own goals
*Exaggerates own importance
*Exaggerates achievements and talents
*Entertains unrealistic fantasies about success, power, beauty, intelligence or romance
*Has unreasonable expectation of favorable treatment
*Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
*Is easily jealous
*Disregards the feelings of others, lacks empathy
*Has obsessive self-interest
*Pursues mainly selfish goals

http://m.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

 

[Mimiof8]

That picture by the pool with her step dad behind her is awful. I had to look twice to be sure he wasn't nude. Sad though Bella probably thought this was a normal family life.

 

[winterrose]

There's two of TG by herself, but the ones you think of Tg as younger, is the 10 yo. She looks like TG.

 

[Magdalyn]

Really? That is the best explanation?

Occam's razor says no.

 

[vasportsmom]

Oh my, those pictures were difficult to see. The ones where Bella was made up to look older were bad enough but the selfies of TG were beyond the pale. What was the thought process that made her think that was appropriate?


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[MsMarple]

http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/di...an-Cannella&lc=7019&pid=172408380&mid=6114809

There are a lot of pictures, first time I have EVER seen a mom have pics of just herself on a child or really anyones obit ! I can understand pictures with mom and daughter but just mom ? WOW, that is my honest reaction.

Love the pics of the $800 water slide... /sarcasm

 

[Teche]

I just viewed the photos (not the video) on the funeral website and there were 2 pics of an adult female w/o Bella. It is rather odd. IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

When sleuthing, I prefer to leave emotion at the door.

At this time I am not inclined to believe there was a conspiracy between JJR and TG / RF nor was there an extortion attempt of TG by JJR because I do not believe this crime is that complicated.

JJR is a pedophile who, it is assumed, also murdered. I would not be surprised if LE eventually likes JJR for other similar crimes ..a long shot, remotely possible.

That TG is being mercilessly vilified for her apparent drug culture involvement and for her in-your-face demeanor (defense mechanism) and for her exposing her children to a "den of druggies and thieves" environment (inexcusable!) it is not surprising that many people simply WANT for TG to be guilty in some way for her seemingly-favorite child's murder. They want to see TG *punished* beyond the pain she is feeling over the murder of her child .. and I would assume they want to see that because THEY are feeling pain for and sorry for Isabella. Understandable, but...

...until LE determines and confirms complicit involvement I will not speculate in to conspiracy theory or desperate drug dealing between JJR and TG (although I might consider desperate drug dealing between JJR and a dealer or money-loaner to whom JJR might have intended to offer a kidnapped Isabella) or JJR as drug overlord-minion doing their dirty work, etc.

That all makes for interesting TV perhaps, and one or more of those speculation might be possible in this case given what many people might *think* they know. All I see at this point is an abduction / possible rape / murder of a child by the pedophile and murderer JJR.

The drugs / criminal records angle of everyone involved is incidental to their lifestyle and not to the abduction and murder (except possibly the drug angle might be key in JJR's depravity). JJR might even attempt to lie / sell conspiracy, etc., to prosecutors to garner a lesser sentence.

BBM: With apologies for asking, but where was JJR convicted of being a pedophile? I didn't see it in his laundry list of charges, but I can't find the list at the moment. I thought it was assault he was charged with, not sexual assault. TIA.

 

[Irisha]

Are there posters claiming TG and RF as "fine people and exemplary parents" and are those posters claiming a moral high ground in their posts? Please post links to those posts, I must have missed them.

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[Seajay]

That's just it, in the mother's need to draw attention to herself, it's getting lost that an 8 year old child was brutally murdered by one of Mom's friends. There are no do-overs for that. There is no excuse for that. The only thing that makes any of this easier is my firm belief in karma being a b****.

 

[MsMarple]

Does anyone *really* know what the sister said to anyone? There has been so much variance in what has been reported in this case that I tend to not believe some of it. As far as the 911 call, and given what has been reported in news articles I am sticking to my interpretation.

Take your pick. The variances are all coming from Tania herself:

“I got a call from my older daughter saying she couldn’t find Bella. She couldn’t find Justin. We looked around outside, then we called police,” Bella's mother told the Nancy Grace team.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/05/911-call-missing-isabella-grogan-cannella

"We came back because (my older daughter) called and said she couldn't find (Isabella). (She said) that Justin and (Isabella) were gone," said Grogan.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world

"We never saw Justin here. We thought he had already left. He had to have been outside the sliding glass door when we left," Grogan said.

Isabella's 10-year-old sister called their mother, saying she couldn't find her sister after going to the bathroom. Grogan said she and Folster rushed home.

"Panic, major panic. ‘Where's my daughter?' I was screaming, shouting for her," Grogan said.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him

Grogan says she left Isabella and her older sister upstairs with Folster's mother. She claims she did not even know Rector, a family friend, was in the home. Court records, however, state Grogan's two children were downstairs with Rector and three other friends. Grogan says she called police after searching for Isabella for more than 40 minutes.

http://www.kpho.com/story/26461801/isabellas-mother-she-was-my-baby-she-was-my-world?autostart=true

 

[Kaydence]

Curious: do we have reports of the family calling around the neighborhood? Yelling her name, knocking on doors? I think a few trips up and down the street, yelling her name, would be the first thing to do.

 

[Seajay]

(Interesting):


Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder generally believe that the world revolves around them. This condition is characterized by a lack of ability to empathize with others and a desire to keep the focus on themselves at all times.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships. People who are narcissistic are frequently described as cocky, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. Narcissists may concentrate on unlikely personal outcomes (e.g., fame) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment.

Related personality traits include: Psychopathy, Machiavellianism.

Narcissists tend to have high self-esteem. However, narcissism is not the same thing as self-esteem; people who have high self-esteem are often humble, whereas narcissists rarely are. It was once thought that narcissists have high self-esteem on the surface, but deep down they are insecure. However, the latest evidence indicates that narcissists are actually secure or grandiose at both levels. Onlookers may infer that insecurity is there because narcissists tend to be defensive when their self-esteem is threatened (e.g., being ridiculed); narcissists can be aggressive. The sometimes dangerous lifestyle may more generally reflect sensation-seeking or impulsivity (e.g., risky sex, bold financial decisions).

*Reacts to criticism with anger, shame or humiliation
*Takes advantage of others to reach his or her own goals
*Exaggerates own importance
*Exaggerates achievements and talents
*Entertains unrealistic fantasies about success, power, beauty, intelligence or romance
*Has unreasonable expectation of favorable treatment
*Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
*Is easily jealous
*Disregards the feelings of others, lacks empathy
*Has obsessive self-interest
*Pursues mainly selfish goals

http://m.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

I believe that Mom's narcissism is the reason she's defied LE about giving interviews. She can't stand the public criticism and has an overwhelming need to address it. IMO, FWIW.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Thank you for your comments! The only item with which I would disagree is the contention that TG is somehow responsible for what happened to Isabella. I would agree she should not have introduced a criminal element in to her home and she is responsible for that and it clearly and emphatically is *wrong*.

But it seems some people find it too difficult to understand that someone being a druggie and / or having been charged with assault or even having a criminal record that does not include pedophilic or molestation charges is no reason to believe the person would molester and / or murder a child. That is just not the case.

Someone who might be labeled as a "DRUG ADDICT" or a "DRUG DEALER" leads people to believe the absolute worse of that person. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, it is a terrible and dangerous life choice in many cases but it is NOT a direct causal reason to expect the person to be a CHILD MOLESTER and / or MURDERER.

I've been attempting to clarify: the possible notion that JJR might be or might have been harboring thoughts of pedophilia or is a child molester apparently was not obvious to TG. I in no way believe TG would knowingly allow harm to come to her children. I also believe that TG did not suspect JJR of being capable of such a crime and in fact, JJR's best friend has made the same claim, i.e.: "I don't believe he would harm a child".

IMO, this is an assumed-pedophile or child molester and murder case. LE, including the FBI believe JJR is the perp. LE and the FBI have by now extensively interviewed both TG and RF, and if they are suspected of having a hand in Isabella's murder you can bet the FBI is thorough enough to extract evidence if it exists.

But as it stands now, as far as we know TG and RF are not charged in this crime. They might be eventually, but with each passing day that we do not hear of such charges being filed, they likely will not be charged.

Any one of us in this forum could be friends with someone who is a pedophile or molester or someone who harbors such thoughts .. *and not know it*.

This is helpful info: "How To Identify a Pedophile" ... but works only if the person presents with certain actions described within: http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Pedophile

BBM: I hear what you are saying. The part that make that not work for me is this quote "Grogan said Rector never showed signs of aggression until recently. She said his ex-girlfriend recently filed police reports accusing him of strangling her pets." I don't care what anyone was charged with before. If a parent knows that an ex-girlfriend recently filed police reports accusing a man in her home of strangling pets, I can't understand allowing anyone who even MAY have done such a thing around their kids. If TG had this knowledge, and from this quote, she did, she would have to be pretty thick to not understand that this man could be a danger to her family. Period. That is why I absolutely cannot write off the "I had no idea he would do this." as any kind of reason for allowing this man in her home. Knowledge of possible animal strangulation=concern in a normal person's mind. JMO, of course.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26463107/mother-on-childs-accused-killer-i-trusted-him

 

[tier]

What about the pictures of the outdoor toys? I didn't see Bella playing on them.

I know! What was the point of that? Maybe take a pic of her toothbrush too so we know she could brush her teeth if anyone reminded her to.