Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

[Native Pride]

TG .....SO REMINDS ME OF ........Victoria "Tori" Elizabeth Marie Stafford the eight-year-old Canadian girl ... Tori's mother, Tara McDonald was so bizarre .........N i was always surprised Tara never had any charges brought forward ....my gut is starting to feel ......TG may NOT either so frustrating all these sweet innocent ANGELS gone too soon ......JMO

 

[newone]

TG .....SO REMINDS ME OF ........Victoria "Tori" Elizabeth Marie Stafford the eight-year-old Canadian girl ... Tori's mother, Tara McDonald was so bizarre .........N i was always surprised Tara never had any charges brought forward ....my gut is starting to feel ......TG may NOT either so frustrating all these sweet innocent ANGELS gone too soon ......JMO

good point! Tori's mom was vilified by many but never charged with anything so you are right on with your assessment MOO

I am hopeful that if there is even a shred of evidence that a certain mother could be implicated -- that justice will prevail.

 

[lillybell]

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_af5cd306-37f7-11e4-9e50-0019bb2963f4.html

Just found this, not sure if it's been posted.

The criminal complaint, filed by Deputy County Attorney Gregory McPhillips, charges Justin James Rector, 26, with first degree murder, a class 1 felony, and kidnapping, a class 2 felony. No sexual assault charge was filed.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Jumping off of these posts. To my knowledge, they released cause of death, but they still have not released whether or not she was sexually assaulted. Quoted from this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...annella-strangled-missing-girl_n_5774456.html
"However, authorities said she didn't have any clothing on her lower half and they are looking into whether she was the victim of sexual assault."

Having no clothing on her lower half, and his stealing himself underwear leave me little doubt.

It is my opinion, based on other cases I have seen, that they will not charge him with any sexual assault until they are sure what kind of sexual assault occurred, if any. There are many (sad to say) different types of sexual assault. Any, some and/or all of them could have been visited upon the poor girl. Using pure conjecture, there could have been evidence of a previous assault of some kind, sexual or other. IMO, they will not charge regarding this until they have all the information to charge EVERYTHING they can.

It could be that charges were filed Monday because they had to charge JJR within a certain time after arrest for the specific crime for which he was arrested. It does not preclude prosecutors adding charges in the future. It is assumed that Isabella's body was in a state that makes it difficult to determine exactly what and to what extent any sexual assault (or previous abuse) might have occurred. Given the state of affairs in the TG home I am sure LE / prosecutors want to cover all bases and previous abuse would most definitely be on the table .. hence the "not ruling out additional arrests" comment from an earlier presser(s).

 

[ChuckMaureen]

When sleuthing, I prefer to leave emotion at the door.

At this time I am not inclined to believe there was a conspiracy between JJR and TG / RF nor was there an extortion attempt of TG by JJR because I do not believe this crime is that complicated.

JJR is a pedophile who, it is assumed, also murdered. I would not be surprised if LE eventually likes JJR for other similar crimes ..a long shot, remotely possible.

That TG is being mercilessly vilified for her apparent drug culture involvement and for her in-your-face demeanor (defense mechanism) and for her exposing her children to a "den of druggies and thieves" environment (inexcusable!) it is not surprising that many people simply WANT for TG to be guilty in some way for her seemingly-favorite child's murder. They want to see TG *punished* beyond the pain she is feeling over the murder of her child .. and I would assume they want to see that because THEY are feeling pain for and sorry for Isabella. Understandable, but...

...until LE determines and confirms complicit involvement I will not speculate in to conspiracy theory or desperate drug dealing between JJR and TG (although I might consider desperate drug dealing between JJR and a dealer or money-loaner to whom JJR might have intended to offer a kidnapped Isabella) or JJR as drug overlord-minion doing their dirty work, etc.

That all makes for interesting TV perhaps, and one or more of those speculation might be possible in this case given what many people might *think* they know. All I see at this point is an abduction / possible rape / murder of a child by the pedophile and murderer JJR.

The drugs / criminal records angle of everyone involved is incidental to their lifestyle and not to the abduction and murder (except possibly the drug angle might be key in JJR's depravity). JJR might even attempt to lie / sell conspiracy, etc., to prosecutors to garner a lesser sentence.

 

[TTF14]

It could be that charges were filed Monday because they had to charge JJR within a certain time after arrest for the specific crime for which he was arrested. It does not preclude prosecutors adding charges in the future. It is assumed that Isabella's body was in a state that makes it difficult to determine exactly what and to what extent any sexual assault (or previous abuse) might have occurred. Given the state of affairs in the TG home I am sure LE / prosecutors want to cover all bases and previous abuse would most definitely be on the table .. hence the "not ruling out additional arrests" comment from an earlier presser(s).

BBM Agreed. Just because a SA was not included in the charges doesn't mean that it didn't occur. They very well could be waiting for DNA results to determine if JR was the perpetrator of that crime against her and not someone else in the house. For goodness' sake, the way they lived, if she was sexually assaulted, it could have been anyone!

 

[newone]

BBM Agreed. Just because a SA was not included in the charges doesn't mean that it didn't occur. They very well could be waiting for DNA results to determine if JR was the perpetrator of that crime against her and not someone else in the house. For goodness' sake, the way they lived, if she was sexually assaulted, it could have been anyone!

bingo......

 

[Seajay]

Child endangerment in the very least. Good gravy, parents get slapped with child endangerment for leaving a child in a car while they run into a store. Parents get slapped with child endangerment for making them walk home after they've been fighting in a vehicle and the parent has had it. Even when these children have not died parents get arrested or charges are bought against them for that stuff. Hell, people get arrested for leaving their dog in a car while they go shopping. TG was negligent to the well-being of her children. It can be whitewashed or sugar coated any way someone wants to make it, the fact remains, the parents were responsible for the welfare and safety of their children and one of their children was taken from their home and murdered by someone they knew was a pedophile and have a violent criminal history. That is unconscionable. Someone like that should never even foster a pet again, let alone another child. And the fact that she "doesn't get it", what she did wrong, makes it so much worse and leave it open to happen again if given a chance. No way. IMO.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

We have this article:

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-northern-az/other/isabella-bella-grogan-murder-suspects-friend-alibi-says-he-never-saw-justin-rector-that-night

bbm

Police said evidence at the scene where Isabella “Bella” Grogan’s body was found linked Justin Rector to the crime.

But in police documents, Rector told police he went to a friend’s house immediately after leaving Isabella’s house.

Police say Rector had been staying at the girl's home for the past few days.

But Rector's long-time friend, Nicholas Noriega, says he never saw him the night Bella disappeared.

“Either we were asleep or we weren’t here. I don’t know if he showed up or if he is just saying that,” said Noriega. “We shouldn’t have been involved in this. Cops were here all day.”

In fact, Noriega says he never saw Rector until police brought him by his house.

“I pulled him aside and I asked him to look me in the eye. I asked if he had anything to do with this and he said ‘no’,” said Noriega.

Police say they found Rector’s shoe prints near a shallow grave where search teams found the girl’s body.

Noriega said Rector told him, “He was at the wrong place at the wrong time.”

Noriega says the suspect is a father of two, including an 11-year-old girl, and he just can’t imagine Rector hurting any child.

1) JJR confirmed he was at Isabella's house that evening. He also confirmed he had been staying (assumed at least slept overnight) at the house for the "past few days" before and at least up to the day Isabella went missing. During the time of his stay JJR would likely have had continued exposure to Isabella in and around the house. A pedophile's dream scenario?

2) JJR claimed to have gone to a friend’s house immediately after leaving Isabella’s house. This is a KEY POINT that clearly JJR was in defense mode as he attempted to create an alibi hoping his long-time friend would play along. Seemingly, the long-time friend did the right thing. Also note this indicates JJR wants LE to believe he had left the house only once that evening.

3) "Wrong place at the wrong time." I interpret that as JJR indirectly admitting he was in a state in which he was exposed to Isabella (wrong place) at the 'wrong time' .. a depravity, no need to extrapolate further.

There is nothing in the news report that indicates police documents contain statements from JJR having claimed a conspiracy with TG and / or RF, that they attempted to hire him as a "hit man" (as had been rumored in social media).

That leads to the following question: how many times and when did JJR leave Isabella's house that evening? Based on comments from TG and RF, JJR left either sometime before or when they had left for Wal-Mart .. a confirmation they saw him leave / assumed he left the house .. and Isabella was still home, getting ready for bed.

***

And this article:

https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-girls-home-searched-body-found-154919366.html

Isabella's 10-year-old sister told authorities that she went to the restroom while she and Isabella were playing hide and seek, and when she got out, Isabella and Rector were gone, according to a statement of probable cause.

Isabella's sister reported that she and Isabella were playing "hide and seek" and that after she had returned from a bathroom break "Isabella and Rector were gone." This could be misconstrued reporting. It is not clear how JJR played in to that scenario but I believe by the time LE interviewed the sister they knew JJR had been at the house that evening (it is assumed LE would have first interviewed TG, RF and the grandmother) and when the sister stated that Isabella was gone LE probably followed up by asking the sister if she had seen JJR either before or when she returned from the bathroom break and she might simply have replied, "No. He was gone, too." or "No. I did not see him there."

As I had noted previously: Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is most likely the truth.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

BBM Agreed. Just because a SA was not included in the charges doesn't mean that it didn't occur. They very well could be waiting for DNA results to determine if JR was the perpetrator of that crime against her and not someone else in the house. For goodness' sake, the way they lived, if she was sexually assaulted, it could have been anyone!

I suspect LE and prosecutors need to determine if JJR had abused Isabella during the days he had been staying at the house and up to the day when Isabella had gone missing. It is possible JJR did abuse Isabella that day or previous days and that Isabella was going to "tell on him" and hence, the kidnapping and eventual (assumed) rape and murder.

 

[Tealgrove]

TG .....SO REMINDS ME OF ........Victoria "Tori" Elizabeth Marie Stafford the eight-year-old Canadian girl ... Tori's mother, Tara McDonald was so bizarre .........N i was always surprised Tara never had any charges brought forward ....my gut is starting to feel ......TG may NOT either so frustrating all these sweet innocent ANGELS gone too soon ......JMO

Victoria Stafford's mother did not hinder the investigation, in fact it is my understanding that the family and friends co-operated fully with police when Tori went missing. It is also my understanding that Victoria's mother was the first to identify the woman who lured Tori from school on that fateful day. No doubt, Tori's mom had drug issues but she did not hinder the investigation.

 

[Ontario Mom]

TG .....SO REMINDS ME OF ........Victoria "Tori" Elizabeth Marie Stafford the eight-year-old Canadian girl ... Tori's mother, Tara McDonald was so bizarre .........N i was always surprised Tara never had any charges brought forward ....my gut is starting to feel ......TG may NOT either so frustrating all these sweet innocent ANGELS gone too soon ......JMO

I live in Woodstock, where Tori lived. I don't know Tara personally but have actually interacted with her (after the fact). I don't see the comparison to TG at all.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

Child endangerment in the very least. Good gravy, parents get slapped with child endangerment for leaving a child in a car while they run into a store. Parents get slapped with child endangerment for making them walk home after they've been fighting in a vehicle and the parent has had it. Even when these children have not died parents get arrested or charges are bought against them for that stuff. Hell, people get arrested for leaving their dog in a car while they go shopping. TG was negligent to the well-being of her children. It can be whitewashed or sugar coated any way someone wants to make it, the fact remains, the parents were responsible for the welfare and safety of their children and one of their children was taken from their home and murdered by someone they knew was a pedophile and have a violent criminal history. That is unconscionable. Someone like that should never even foster a pet again, let alone another child. And the fact that she "doesn't get it", what she did wrong, makes it so much worse and leave it open to happen again if given a chance. No way. IMO.

Is there a report that indicates JJR was a pedophile (previous to kidnap / assumed rape / murder of Isabella) and that TG was aware? There is a report of a restraining order against JJR, possibly for him to not go near his own children .. but details are not available. If it was filed against JJR for pedophilic activity, why are there no police / court documents indicating such a charge?

I suspect no one really knew JJR had a pedophilic tendency, perhaps even himself.

 

[2Hope4]

I still have a question..well lots of questions...but the report said 3 other people were There with JR...are they shape formers/changers?? Where did they go, and who are they?? Did they turn into a speck of dirt? Inquiring minds wanna know!!!
:ufo: :hiding:

 

[newone]

I still have a question..well lots of of questions...but the report said 3 other people were There with JR...are they shape formers/changers?? Where did they go, and who are they?? Did they turn into a speck of dirt? Inquiring minds wanna know!!!
:aliens:

no kidding......because that was reported initially just who are these other 3

 

[2Hope4]

I'm being serious, in the drug world, when the saying 'snitches get stitches' is used, is that literal? See in my world, I think it is. So there could potentially lots of witnesses that are afraid for their life to say anything. Because if a search warrant or police report is leaked, or released to media, and YOUR name is on that report, well, maybe YOU or YOUR FAMILY could be in danger!!! I've also heard that it is very difficult to completely leave the drug world, because is know too much, as in who the higher dealers are, your life could be in danger. Is that true?? :hills:

See, I'm a nervous Nelly, no way, no how could I live with that constant stress!! I prefer the stress of wondering how many eggs I'm getting today, and whether my blue egg laying hens will lay or not. :loveyou: :chicken: :great:

 

[newone]

I live in Woodstock, where Tori lived. I don't know Tara personally but have actually interacted with her (after the fact). I don't see the comparison to TG at all.

known drug use? .... and possible association with same people perps knew I believe is the similarity MOO
and hardly bad reputation?

 

[newone]

Child endangerment in the very least. Good gravy, parents get slapped with child endangerment for leaving a child in a car while they run into a store. Parents get slapped with child endangerment for making them walk home after they've been fighting in a vehicle and the parent has had it. Even when these children have not died parents get arrested or charges are bought against them for that stuff. Hell, people get arrested for leaving their dog in a car while they go shopping. TG was negligent to the well-being of her children. It can be whitewashed or sugar coated any way someone wants to make it, the fact remains, the parents were responsible for the welfare and safety of their children and one of their children was taken from their home and murdered by someone they knew was a pedophile and have a violent criminal history. That is unconscionable. Someone like that should never even foster a pet again, let alone another child. And the fact that she "doesn't get it", what she did wrong, makes it so much worse and leave it open to happen again if given a chance. No way. IMO.

just leaving the house without checking the sliding glass door to ensure it was double locked is endangerment in my books

and obviously leaving the kids alone......((gramma asleep and kids up))

 

[newone]

I'm being serious, in the drug world, when the saying 'snitches get stitches' is used, is that literal? See in my world, I think it is. So there could potentially lots of witnesses that are afraid for their life to say anything. Because if a search warrant or police report is leaked, or released to media, and YOUR name is on that report, well, maybe YOU or YOUR FAMILY could be in danger!!! I've also heard that it is very difficult to completely leave the drug world, because is know too much, as in who the higher dealers are, your life could be in danger. Is that true?? :hills:

See, I'm a nervous Nelly, no way, no how could I live with that constant stress!! I prefer the stress of wondering how many eggs I'm getting today, and whether my blue egg laying hens will lay or not. :loveyou: :chicken: :great:

bbm

I was thinking of that expression earlier this evening and wondering if that plays a key role in this whole case

"Father" was set for arraignment that day ((someone elsewhere pointed out the rest of the crew were in jail and he was free)

JR was fresh out of rehab and homeless ((no money-homeless - easily corruptible as he was kind of vulnerable)) and could his rehab been court ordered --which would mean he may have just gone ''through the motions with rehab''. He had outstanding warrants for failure to appear....

There may have been some rolling but who rolled on whom.....maybe JR knew he was a phone call away from being picked up on o/s warrants for failure to appear and perhaps JR saw something that could jeopardize ''father's'' case.

MOO

 

[Eileen730]

Ya know Im beginning to think something just like this case happened to little Isabel Mercedes Celis.
I wish they would find her too.