Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #4

[news.talk]

SBM, BBM



As far as Isabella's sister "heard screaming", I recall only one article reported that, and it easily may have been misconstrued reporting. LE (the official word) disputed the scream report.

When searching for a lost child no one would think to look at the wall of a house. I can see panties going unnoticed during evening / overnight searching and even during the day if the article was hanging / attached to the stucco .. I suppose it depends on where it was located; close to the roof line would hide it from ground-level view.

It is possible LE discounted the statement based on her retraction.

Even if the local police AND the FBI completely missed a pair of children's underwear outside the home, what are the chances that the parent's, children, family and friends, also missed them... for two days? Logic dictates that they were likely placed there AFTER the fact.

 

[news.talk]

I can not fathom a logical reason why conspirators would present the panties in such a manner, except maybe to hide the fact that Isabella may have been sexually assaulted but given the state in which Isabella's body was found it would be a moot point - no panties nor shorts on / with Isabella's body.

But if the initial reports are correct, and there was no SA, perhaps that is what they wanted LE to believe? It certainly helps throw suspicion off of the parent's and onto JJR.

I think he *attempted* to SA her and when she fought back, he killed her.

 

[Kadoober]

But if the initial reports are correct, and there was no SA, perhaps that is what they wanted LE to believe? It certainly helps throw suspicion off of the parent's and onto JJR.

I think he *attempted* to SA her and when she fought back, he killed her.

I hate to say this 'out loud', but somewhat in keeping with my prior post, I've been wondering for awhile now if there was an SA, or an attempt, but it wasn't JJR, which is why they did release that there were no SA charges against him.
...sigh... sometimes my thoughts make me sick.

 

[news.talk]

I hate to say this 'out loud', but somewhat in keeping with my prior post, I've been wondering for awhile now if there was an SA, or an attempt, but it wasn't JJR, which is why they did release that there were no SA charges against him.
...sigh... sometimes my thoughts make me sick.

I suspect that based on the charges and the suspect's attempt at covering up the fact (ditching and shoplifting underwear), and possibly the motive behind the violent murder, that he was the one that attempted or committed SA.

Sadly, I suspect that given the environment these girl's lived in, especially the victim, that it was not the first time. This time she decided to fight... to her demise.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Several articles on Justin Rector on the front page of today's Bullhead City Bee...

http://www.bullheadcity-bee.com/front_page.html

 

[lillybell]

I'm still thinking the others in the house that night, must know more.

The bit that I can't understand is why they left JJR out on the 911 call, I don't buy the whole, he was never there bit. He'd been staying at the house for a couple of days.

Even, if I were to believe that they didn't know he was there when they left for Walmart, they knew he'd been around Bella and in the house for days before!
There isn't any rational explanation as to why they failed to mention him, unless they knew by naming him, they were in trouble too.

 

[Tealgrove]

As the details begin to play out and we get some answers to many of our questions, the haze, to a degree is starting to lift.

I am still of the opinion that Bella's sister was coerced into her statement out of fear. Poor child. I can't imagine what she saw, heard, or felt on that fateful night.

I still believe that everyone in the house that night, knows what happened. That would explain all the behaviour on FB and the finger pointing. Those that know the family know the deal.

I'm pleased to see those two subpeonas. I think we are correct in our assumption that everyone is trying to cover for everyone, as misplaced as that is. LE is clearly on the same page and taking steps to get to the bottom of all this. LE knows the deal here and maybe they actually have the full story. I think they have the story. Now they need the evidence and they're working on it. I have hope.

I don't believe that TG had anything to do with her daughter's death in a hands on way however, I wholeheartedly believe that she is responsible by allowing the children to be exposed to these people and the drug culture. I think when the dust settles we will see her charged with a whole bunch of stuff but LE needs to let her hang herself for a while yet.

I understand all the lies and the cover up behaviour because, whatever happened - I believe happened in the house and they were all there. In order to protect themselves and their lifestyles they have to lie and do what they do to keep on keeping on. The drugs and the next hit are more important than anything else including their children. Drugs are ruling the day in that house.

My Opinion only, but things are starting to become a bit clearer and that timeline is NEVER going to make sense because it's all a lie.

So sad, when drugs and the lifestyle dictate who one protects and who one doesn't protect.

Bella needed to be protected by ANYONE, but drugs won. How sad is that?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Several articles on Justin Rector on the front page of today's Bullhead City Bee...

http://www.bullheadcity-bee.com/front_page.html

What does peotracted mean? Is it a typo? I searched for it, there are several google hits, just no meaning in the dictionaries I've searched. The e & r are next to each other, so could it possibly be protracted?

First article at the top of the page informs this:

Deputy county attorney Greg McPhillips, who is handling the prosecution, is still gathering information about what is anticipated to be a peotracted case due to its magnitude and because there are so many individuals who possibly have knowledge of the crime that have yet to be interviewed.

 

[Tealgrove]

What does peotracted mean? Is it a typo? I searched for it, there are several google hits, just no meaning in the dictionaries I've searched. The e & r are next to each other, so could it possibly be protracted?

First article at the top of the page informs this:

I think it's a typo and should be protracted.

 

[2Hope4]

On page 3, catching up...again!!!

It was stated in one media release that JR's shirt was turned inside out during his walmart shoplifting spree. So he didn't get rid of that shirt until after he left Walmart. Left his shoes at Walmart. He stole underwear, but I don't know where his others are, or if he had any on.

Trying to figure out a meth's thinking is UGH UGH UGH! Heck, shoplifting MUST have been just second nature, because even during that meth high, after murdering a child, then burying her, his thought train went to shoplifting! See, I would have been either looking for clothing hanging on a clothesline, or going back to that 'friend's' place that he used as an alibi and getting some clothes, or heck, even going back to Tania's. Surely he owned more than one set of clothing! And washing machines do still exist... It's been stated he was homeless, yet he knew many folks. Why wait until this time to decide to shoplift shoes? He'd been wearing them with duct tape over a hole in the sole, so he obviously was in need of shoes before now. Nothing makes sense!!!

Now my thoughts from page one..
Items taken during a search don't mean they ARE evidence, only that they are POSSIBLY evidence. So we're still in a wait and see mode.

To my knowledge there are no panties outside my house, anywhere, but the rest of the things, I don't know that I find suspicious just yet. Police knew they were looking for anything related to a crime, Bella's murder, so that's what items they took. Anything that COULD be related. So I understand anything with bleach, brown stains, etc. would be important to want. YET, they all may be unrelated to the crime. I'm sure something stained with bleach, items in trash, etc WOULD be found at my home, and no crime has been committed here. Sure would look on me if a search warrant came through for whtaever reason though! I even have burned items of clothing in my burn pit. Bleached items are used for cleaning, mopping, etc. Old Tshirts work well for cleaning windows, for throwing in with an abandoned kitten/pup/piglet....

But suffice it to say, I seriously doubt cleaning, and raising abandoned animals were high on any of folks' list that lived in the home.

Again, just my thoughts, and opinions, and nothing more...

 

[news.talk]

As the details begin to play out and we get some answers to many of our questions, the haze, to a degree is starting to lift.

I am still of the opinion that Bella's sister was coerced into her statement out of fear. Poor child. I can't imagine what she saw, heard, or felt on that fateful night.

I still believe that everyone in the house that night, knows what happened. That would explain all the behaviour on FB and the finger pointing. Those that know the family know the deal.

I'm pleased to see those two subpeonas. I think we are correct in our assumption that everyone is trying to cover for everyone, as misplaced as that is. LE is clearly on the same page and taking steps to get to the bottom of all this. LE knows the deal here and maybe they actually have the full story. I think they have the story. Now they need the evidence and they're working on it. I have hope.

I don't believe that TG had anything to do with her daughter's death in a hands on way however, I wholeheartedly believe that she is responsible by allowing the children to be exposed to these people and the drug culture. I think when the dust settles we will see her charged with a whole bunch of stuff but LE needs to let her hang herself for a while yet.

I understand all the lies and the cover up behaviour because, whatever happened - I believe happened in the house and they were all there. In order to protect themselves and their lifestyles they have to lie and do what they do to keep on keeping on. The drugs and the next hit are more important than anything else including their children. Drugs are ruling the day in that house.

My Opinion only, but things are starting to become a bit clearer and that timeline is NEVER going to make sense because it's all a lie.

So sad, when drugs and the lifestyle dictate who one protects and who one doesn't protect.

Bella needed to be protected by ANYONE, but drugs won. How sad is that?

My theory is of the same conclusions. The fact that a warrant has been issued for the visitation logs of the suspect including the video/audio of his visitations, leads me to believe that LE is building a case against others involved. They need proof that hopefully that warrant will secure. Hopefully his 'friends' we're dumb enough to discuss the case at a jail visit. Who knows, maybe the suspect is cooperating to a degree and is trying to solicit information from others that will aid in his defence and support his version of events.

I maintain the suspicion that at the very least, there were others involved in the crime after the fact.

 

[lonetraveler]

You're saying he would have changed clothes after murdering Bella and burying her, then going to Walmart to change again bc he was muddy from burying her? If he murdered her in the house and carried her naked from her waist down to where he buried her, why would he care about his clothes being dirty? If he actually carried her half naked to the spot where he buried her, I don't see him worrying to much about his clothes before disposing of her.

IMVHO, it all points to someone else assisting...

I've brought up before that the timeline just doesn't jive with all the activities that he had to do prior to LE taking him into custody. It's kinda like someone drove him (with Bella's body) to the grave site and dropped him off to dispose of her. JMO

 

[newone]

Was Ralphys court date the day after Bella's disappearance( Anyone remember?

the day of the 911 call was RF's first arraignment and he got a continuance
Last week (day of memorial) was his scheduled second arraignment - there was a minute entry noted but have yet to see the actual minute entry to see if he showed or not....

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

can't access the minute entry

 

[Ontario Mom]

I suspect the subpoena for the visits and calls will reveal some rather interesting tidbits. I strongly believe others in that house knew exactly what happened that night and I suspect JR is afraid, and/or has been threatened that if he says anything, he knows what will happen to him. I can't remember where I read it but it was reported that TG actually went to the jail to "confront" him but wasn't allowed to see him because he already had a visitor that day.

All MOO only, of course.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

But if the initial reports are correct, and there was no SA, perhaps that is what they wanted LE to believe? It certainly helps throw suspicion off of the parent's and onto JJR.

I think he *attempted* to SA her and when she fought back, he killed her.

The reports do not explicitly indicate "no sexual assault occurred" ..and AFAWK, forensics are not completed or at least have not been reported.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

I'll add this: if there is a conspiracy, it is RF and JJR. RF married TG, she does not have to testify against her husband AND he keeps her close. Very close. And they instructed the 10YO to lie or everyone will die.

But I can not see the 10YO remaining entirely silent. And what of the GM? Silent, too, to protect her boy?

Far-fetched ..but possible.

nah......

 

[news.talk]

bbm



The reports do not explicitly indicate "no sexual assault occurred" ..and AFAWK, forensics are not completed or at least have not been reported.

Initially, no SA charges we're laid, nor are they in the indictment petition. If there are results still being processed, it is not part of the case at this point.

For information purposes, this link has some really good information on the process and timeline for processing. IT CONCLUDES THAT IT TAKES AN AVERAGE OF 60 HOURS.

http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/dna-timeline.shtml

 

[news.talk]

I'll add this: if there is a conspiracy, it is RF and JJR. RF married TG, she does not have to testify against her husband AND he keeps her close. Very close. And they instructed the 10YO to lie or everyone will die.

But I can not see the 10YO remaining entirely silent. And what of the GM? Silent, too, to protect her boy?

Far-fetched ..but possible.

nah......

I think the fact that RF'S mother is being indirectly accused by the suspect of smoking meth by saying he was in her room all day using the drug, is reason to infer that she too is complicit to some degree.

I also don't see TG being controlled by ANYONE as evident in her public interviews after being asked not too. Her demeanour and body language is not suggestive of a controlled spouse, IMO. If anything, RF seems to be the submissive one.

 

[jojo87]

I suspect the subpoena for the visits and calls will reveal some rather interesting tidbits. I strongly believe others in that house knew exactly what happened that night and I suspect JR is afraid, and/or has been threatened that if he says anything, he knows what will happen to him. I can't remember where I read it but it was reported that TG actually went to the jail to "confront" him but wasn't allowed to see him because he already had a visitor that day.

All MOO only, of course.

I think JR would be more likely to tell friends and family what happened that night than he would police or lawyers. In that world you do not snitch, not ever even with a murder charge. JMO

 

[newone]

I think JR would be more likely to tell friends and family what happened that night than he would police or lawyers. In that world you do not snitch, not ever even with a murder charge. JMO

not even with potential death penalty over your head??

Only the first canary who sings gets the deal......MOO