Deceased/Not Found AZ - Jhessye Shockley, 5, Glendale, 11 Oct 2011 - #3 *J. Hunter guilty*

[gitana1]

It's so nice to have a legal expert on WS to help us understand these kinds of issues. Thanks for your input!
I guess I just don't get why they'd arrest her for child abuse if they didn't plan to charge her within the legal time frame?????
I wonder what their strategy was all along....to charge her for murdering Jhessye at some point after charging her with abuse?
Were they hoping she'd break down in jail and confess?

My first thought was that the 13 year old is too fragile to testify against her mother in court face to face....so they were waiting on forensics to back her up.


This case is just so disheartening.

My last post was kind of a jumble so hopefully I can answer more clearly now. I don't think they planned to arrest and release her. I don't think that was planned at all.

I think that either something happened to make the murder case stronger and they are readying that rather than wasting resources on the child abuse charges, and/or they don't want her to get a jump start on the evidence they have, which would undoubtedly be the same evidence used in an abuse case and a murder case, and which she would be privy to under discovery rules if the abuse case had proceeded, and/or someone changed their mind about how to proceed, and/or someone new came into the case and had a different opinion about whether to charge her first with child abuse, or not.

I believe they are going to get her. I feel good about it. I know I sit and worry and get upset every day that passes without action in these cases. I am impatient and want to see results, and justice.

But I know what it takes to prepare for a piddly (in comparison) family law trial. A murder trial is so much more intense. And it is so much better to be able to get all their ducks in a row and all their evidence gathered, assembled, their arguments together, their witnesses ready to go, etc., without having to worry so much about looming deadlines (speedy trial rights).

It is to their advantage to wait on an arrest, if they are fairly confident they can keep tabs on the suspect, while they take their time building a rock solid case they can present to a judge and jury.

Again, I do not see Jerice's release as a bad thing right now. I feel pretty good.

 

[Redbird]

I have a really limited knowledge of forensics and DNA testing. Is it likely there could be some tests that will take a much longer time to complete. And could this testing be necessary as a result of their first tests. I certainly don't think Jerice is so good at cleaning that she destroyed all the evidence in that closet. Could they be trying to avoid a search of the landfill because of the expense if they can make a case without it. That's all I can think of that would cause this delay and change of plans.

 

[belimom]

My last post was kind of a jumble so hopefully I can answer more clearly now. I don't think they planned to arrest and release her. I don't think that was planned at all.

I think that either something happened to make the murder case stronger and they are readying that rather than wasting resources on the child abuse charges, and/or they don't want her to get a jump start on the evidence they have, which would undoubtedly be the same evidence used in an abuse case and a murder case, and which she would be privy to under discovery rules if the abuse case had proceeded, and/or someone changed their mind about how to proceed, and/or someone new came into the case and had a different opinion about whether to charge her first with child abuse, or not.

I believe they are going to get her. I feel good about it. I know I sit and worry and get upset every day that passes without action in these cases. I am impatient and want to see results, and justice.

But I know what it takes to prepare for a piddly (in comparison) family law trial. A murder trial is so much more intense. And it is so much better to be able to get all their ducks in a row and all their evidence gathered, assembled, their arguments together, their witnesses ready to go, etc., without having to worry so much about looming deadlines (speedy trial rights).

It is to their advantage to wait on an arrest, if they are fairly confident they can keep tabs on the suspect, while they take their time building a rock solid case they can present to a judge and jury.

Again, I do not see Jerice's release as a bad thing right now. I feel pretty good.

I agree, Gitana. I think that the strongest evidence they had at the time of her arrest was for child abuse. I now think that as time has passed, they have add'l evidence which also points to murder but aren't ready to make their move yet.

So they're loosening their grip at the moment while the other evidence is coming in.

I think they would have gone ahead with child abuse charges if they had nothing else. So that makes me think they *do* have more...

raying:

 

[KinderedSpirits]

I don't think I can possibly be anymore furious! Why is this making a phone call, let alone walking in the street? MOO-She should have been dealt with last week! I know there is a "legal process" to this madness, but NO CHARGES filed against her? C'mon, this is just sickening! Why in the hell would the other children want to disclose any information about what happened to Jhessye, when they know this monster is on the prowl? I am truly scared for them, and LE need to be d*mn sure that they are safe! I hope and pray that LE know what they are doing, and keeping close tabs on JH. And I'm sorry, but IMO- sending them to grandma is the same as sending them back to JH! Please tell me that this is not the case, because my blood is boiling...!!!!:furious::furious::furious:

On another note, I wish I would have known...I would have LOVED to offer JH a ride "home" from prison.... :slapfight:

 

[EllaMae]

My last post was kind of a jumble so hopefully I can answer more clearly now. I don't think they planned to arrest and release her. I don't think that was planned at all.

I think that either something happened to make the murder case stronger and they are readying that rather than wasting resources on the child abuse charges, and/or they don't want her to get a jump start on the evidence they have, which would undoubtedly be the same evidence used in an abuse case and a murder case, and which she would be privy to under discovery rules if the abuse case had proceeded, and/or someone changed their mind about how to proceed, and/or someone new came into the case and had a different opinion about whether to charge her first with child abuse, or not.

I believe they are going to get her. I feel good about it. I know I sit and worry and get upset every day that passes without action in these cases. I am impatient and want to see results, and justice.

But I know what it takes to prepare for a piddly (in comparison) family law trial. A murder trial is so much more intense. And it is so much better to be able to get all their ducks in a row and all their evidence gathered, assembled, their arguments together, their witnesses ready to go, etc., without having to worry so much about looming deadlines (speedy trial rights).

It is to their advantage to wait on an arrest, if they are fairly confident they can keep tabs on the suspect, while they take their time building a rock solid case they can present to a judge and jury.

Again, I do not see Jerice's release as a bad thing right now. I feel pretty good.

That makes a lot of sense gitana1. I so appreciate your taking the time to explain the situation from a legal perspective. I am learning from you as I go along here. Your post made me feel a little better about Jerice's release. If there's a bigger prize on the horizon, such as a murder charge, then I definitely want LE to go after that one.

I think maybe some of us are suffering from Casey Anthonyitis.....so terrified that another murdering egg donor will escape justice. I think the outrage would overwhelm me if that happened.

I really hope they are able to make the case for murder. Sweet little Jhessye deserves justice.


Here's another question....If Jerice tested positive for marijuana use, and she's on parole....why can't CA arrest her for a parole violation?

 

[CarmelEyesD]

I think they want her out...to follow? See if she tries to get to the children or lead them to Jhessey?

 

[gitana1]

I don't think I can possibly be anymore furious! Why is this making a phone call, let alone walking in the street? MOO-She should have been dealt with last week! I know there is a "legal process" to this madness, but NO CHARGES filed against her? C'mon, this is just sickening! Why in the hell would the other children want to disclose any information about what happened to Jhessye, when they know this monster is on the prowl? I am truly scared for them, and LE need to be d*mn sure that they are safe! I hope and pray that LE know what they are doing, and keeping close tabs on JH. And I'm sorry, but IMO- sending them to grandma is the same as sending them back to JH! Please tell me that this is not the case, because my blood is boiling...!!!!:furious::furious::furious:

On another note, I wish I would have known...I would have LOVED to offer JH a ride "home" from prison.... :slapfight:

Don't worry. They are working on justice as we speak. I really don't see Jerice getting away with it this time. her daughter's statement is at least enough for child abuse charges and Jhessye's nowhere to be found. I think they're gonna' get her.

And I don't think there is a chance in hello that those kids are going back to grandma.

 

[AZlawyer]

Don't worry. They are working on justice as we speak. I really don't see Jerice getting away with it this time. her daughter's statement is at least enough for child abuse charges and Jhessye's nowhere to be found. I think they're gonna' get her.

And I don't think there is a chance in hello that those kids are going back to grandma.

I agree. I think some people were confused by my statement that the legally required initial "case plan" for the kids would be to reunify with grandma, because she's the one who has legal guardianship of them. Thus, the kids are likely to be moved to Cali if that's where grandma currently lives--not to be placed with her, but in foster care in Cali--because otherwise it's pretty tough to explain to the court how you are working on reunifying the kids (in AZ) with the grandma (in Cali). This does NOT mean that the reunification will ever actually happen. If the court (in AZ or Cali) concludes that the grandma is likely to turn the kids over to child abusers and then defend the child abusers, they won't send the kids back to her. Especially if she's prosecuted for child endangerment in the meantime.

 

[Knox]

How could the older kids be reunited with Grandma Shirley? She is the one who illegally gave them back to an abusive mother. Why would they be sent there? UUGGHHHHH

AZlawyer explained this in a prior post. If I misconstrue something, please correct me.

Any future charges of wrong doing not withstanding. Shirley is the legal guardian of the children and California has jurisdiction even though they are now in CPS custody in Arizona. The children can be placed in foster care in California, then the case will be decided from there.

Shirley solicited letters of reference from her co-workers on her facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1243004345

Whether they were to be used in order to regain custody or just to take the heat off, who knows? She sure got quiet though and I'm curious why she zipped her lips? Advice of an Attorney? Shouldn't matter imo, if it was all about finding Jhessye, that has nothing to do with the legal issues of the other siblings right? Jhessye hasn't been found, so why the silence Shirley?

 

[Knox]

That makes a lot of sense gitana1. I so appreciate your taking the time to explain the situation from a legal perspective. I am learning from you as I go along here. Your post made me feel a little better about Jerice's release. If there's a bigger prize on the horizon, such as a murder charge, then I definitely want LE to go after that one.

I think maybe some of us are suffering from Casey Anthonyitis.....so terrified that another murdering egg donor will escape justice. I think the outrage would overwhelm me if that happened.

I really hope they are able to make the case for murder. Sweet little Jhessye deserves justice.

Here's another question....If Jerice tested positive for marijuana use, and she's on parole....why can't CA arrest her for a parole violation?

She is not on parole.

 

[EllaMae]

My last post was kind of a jumble so hopefully I can answer more clearly now. I don't think they planned to arrest and release her. I don't think that was planned at all.

I think that either something happened to make the murder case stronger and they are readying that rather than wasting resources on the child abuse charges, and/or they don't want her to get a jump start on the evidence they have, which would undoubtedly be the same evidence used in an abuse case and a murder case, and which she would be privy to under discovery rules if the abuse case had proceeded, and/or someone changed their mind about how to proceed, and/or someone new came into the case and had a different opinion about whether to charge her first with child abuse, or not.

I believe they are going to get her. I feel good about it. I know I sit and worry and get upset every day that passes without action in these cases. I am impatient and want to see results, and justice.

But I know what it takes to prepare for a piddly (in comparison) family law trial. A murder trial is so much more intense. And it is so much better to be able to get all their ducks in a row and all their evidence gathered, assembled, their arguments together, their witnesses ready to go, etc., without having to worry so much about looming deadlines (speedy trial rights).

It is to their advantage to wait on an arrest, if they are fairly confident they can keep tabs on the suspect, while they take their time building a rock solid case they can present to a judge and jury.

Again, I do not see Jerice's release as a bad thing right now. I feel pretty good.

She is not on parole.

BBM...

I read here yesterday that she was on parole, and that some parole board members has reservations about letting her out.

I will see if I can find that post again.

 

[Knox]

I was thinking about something Lisa Vance told us. She said Jerice came and took Jhessye from them on August 18th, 2010. She was living in a Woman's shelter at that time, didn't even have a home or apartment. Did she need to have the kids in order to jump start/receive subsidized housing and other social service benefits? Otherwise, why wouldn't she have waited until she was settled and had a proper home for them?

Exactly when did Shirley give the girls back to Jerice? Did she have them before she demanded Jhessye back?

 

[Knox]

BBM...

I read here yesterday that she was on parole, and that some parole board members has reservations about letting her out.

I will see if I can find that post again.

Hunter served about half of her eight-year sentence before being paroled in May 2010, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. (Shockley remains in prison.) She was given unsupervised parole.

Hightower says Hunter and the child who had been so severely beaten came to Arizona shortly after she was paroled. She says the mother wanted Jhessye and became angry when the four cousins wouldn't immediately hand her over. Hightower says Jahessye was returned to her mother on Aug. 18, 2010, after police showed up and said they had to surrender the child.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LaurieRoberts/146522

We discussed this at length back in the beginning.

 

[AZlawyer]

I was thinking about something Lisa Vance told us. She said Jerice came and took Jhessye from them on August 18th, 2010. She was living in a Woman's shelter at that time, didn't even have a home or apartment. Did she need to have the kids in order to jump start/receive subsidized housing and other social service benefits? Otherwise, why wouldn't she have waited until she was settled and had a proper home for them?

Exactly when did Shirley give the girls back to Jerice? Did she have them before she demanded Jhessye back?

I think one of the cousins said on Facebook that she took Jhessye back first.

 

[Knox]

Jerice's appeal ...
http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca....creen.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=132629&doc_no=A115075



ETA- Well carp, I can't get the case summary to open. But I found what I was looking for elsewhere. I think this is the statement you were thinking of EllaMae?

In January 2006, prosecutors dropped torture charges against Hunter in exchange for a plea of no contest. Hunter's lawyers asked for probation, but the state's probation department said she was a threat to the well being of her children. Hunter was sentenced to eight years in prison.

She appealed the sentence, but the court denied her appeal.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...5-year-old-has-criminal-history#ixzz1f4Rtb0dL​

 

[EllaMae]

We discussed this at length back in the beginning.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...red-48-hours/2011/11/28/gIQA5ZOU5N_story.html

So she is on parole....but she did not have to check in. Did that mean she was free to move to AZ?

I thought parolees had to abstain from using drugs....and other criminal behavior.

 

[Marigold]

"Attorney Representing Jerice Hunter Speaks Out"

Video and story at link: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/new...resenting-jerice-hunter-speaks-out-11-28-2011

Attorney's name is Scott Maasen. Imo, I don't think he's a public defender.

 

[bessie]

"Attorney Representing Jerice Hunter Speaks Out"

Video and story at link: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/new...resenting-jerice-hunter-speaks-out-11-28-2011

Attorney's name is Scott Maasen. Imo, I don't think he's a public defender.

Nope, not a public defender. Here's the link to his law firm's website.

http://www.maasenlaw.com/

 

[Knox]

Basic conditions of parole in California-
http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Parole/Parolee_Conditions/index.html

AZlawyer or Gitana1, when CDC&R says "unsupervised parole" ... What exactly does that mean? Basic conditions as stated above, but she doesn't have to report to a PO and there are no special conditions put on her?

She was paroled in May and showed up in AZ in August. Did she violate parole by leaving the State?

Clearly she is not on parole of any kind currently, or the positive drug test back in October for THC would have landed her back in jail pronto. No need to charge her with anything. Correct?

 

[Caligram]

So, already Jerice has someone to defend her. Too bad Jhessye didn't have someone that big and powerful defending from Jerice while she was slowly, methodically, brutally tortured. Death was not quick and compassionate for Jhessye. Jhessye was forced to suffer by her own egg donor. Poor helpless little Jhessye lived on for days in that closet, her eyes blackened, her face cut, her hair ripped out and her body badly bruised. I can't imagine the pain Jhessye was forced to endure before her battered body either finally gave up, or Jerice speeded up the process so she could dispose of her. The closet became a coffin, and I do hope with all my heart that there was evidence which Jerice could not scrub away with bleach.

Wow everybody. Just look at the difference in Jerice when she was facing someone who had some power over her. Notice how softly Jerice spoke to the judge, trying to look so non-threatening, meek and helpless.
Jerice: What a worthless piece of bullpoo you are. You had no problem beating up your children or screaming and ranting and raging at the media. You were an evil vicious bully. Did you learn how to role play those very Jeckyl and Hyde characters while you were serving time in CA for child abuse. Did all you criminals share hints on how to con your way through the legal system. Doesn't matter now, Jerice - the clock is ticking. You won't get away with murder. You can run but you can't hide. I hope your conniving enabling mother goes down with you.

IMHO