AZ - Man who followed teen into Phoenix restroom beaten to death by girl's father, 2 Aug. 2018

[flute4peace]

Why do you think these specific witnesses have issues with credibility?? Nothing about them has been released!

And isn’t there video of the assault?

 

[flourish]

And isn’t there video of the assault?

I don't know about this one.

 

[MaryG12]

Midnight in a very very shady part of town. What were they doing there? That will be addressed.

I hear you, I know I mentioned the midnight factor in a previous post on this thread.

And the incident took place on August 2, which was a Thursday night.

A school night.

 

[bluesneakers]

I hear you, I know I mentioned the midnight factor in a previous post on this thread.

And the incident took place on August 2, which was a Thursday night.

A school night.

August 2nd, they were already back in school?

 

[LaborDayRN]

OT kind of but I wanted to share. A distantly related family member of mine served in Iraq. He came back with severe PTSD. He was reluctant to reach out for help. He had seen some terrible things. He began self medicating his mental health issues with illegal drugs. One day while under the influence he entered a local store, went into the women's bathroom, crawled under a stall divider and grabbed a woman and tried to cover her mouth. She fought, screamed and alerted other shoppers. The store management called the police, he was arrested, convicted and is serving time. IMO this is how this situation should have been handled. I don't believe Mr Armstrong even touched the girl in this case. Family member is where he needs to be and is clean and getting mental health services in prison. I'm thankful he wasn't hit, kicked and stomped to death.

 

[mom2four717]

Any word from the gals friends? I presume they went into the bathroom at the same time?
I would be mighty unhappy if my kid witnessed a murder on the way home one night.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I hear you, I know I mentioned the midnight factor in a previous post on this thread.

And the incident took place on August 2, which was a Thursday night.

A school night.

Not in Phoenix. School starts the 6th
Phoenix School Calendar 2018-19: First Day Of School, Vacations

 

[flute4peace]

Any word from the gals friends? I presume they went into the bathroom at the same time?
I would be mighty unhappy if my kid witnessed a murder on the way home one night.

I didn’t even think about that. So we have 3 traumatized girls. Ugh.

 

[flourish]

Well, they were in the store together. I'm sure they were just as frightened.

Well yeah seeing someone beaten and stomped to death would be incredibly frightening, especially when the one doing the beating then has to drive you home. Sounds absolutely terrifying.

 

[bluesneakers]

Well yeah seeing someone beaten and stomped to death would be incredibly frightening, especially when the one doing the beating then has to drive you home. Sounds absolutely terrifying.

That would be terrifying. Did they actually get in the car with him after he killed the man?

 

[Jackeee]

Never mind. Too soon.

 

[MaryG12]

How'd I get 11 days off from the first day of school? - it started on August 13 on the Suncoast.

My bad, sorry for the error on my part.

 

[flourish]

That would be terrifying. Did they actually get in the car with him after he killed the man?

I don't know, I assume so, as Harris got back in his car and drove away, according to the article(s) posted upthread.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't know, I assume so, as Harris got back in his car and drove away, according to the article(s) posted upthread.

Sorry, I should have read more carefully.

How terrifying.

 

[MillenialMeg]

Yes, welcome, @MillenialMeg!

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[EuTuCroquet?]

The girl is not a victim. She wasn’t hurt.

rsff

She clearly was a target. And victims don't need to be physically injured for their claims to be taken seriously. She's a victim, too, imo. It bothers me that so many people discredit her story. She has clearly said that her father acted to protect her from an intruder. (That doesn't mean what her dad did was excusable — those are two separate acts and two separate issues.)

I believe her. Something happened, and she was the target. Just because he didn't "get" her doesn't mean nothing happened. And if it's a fact she was "not hurt" in any way, I missed it. Link, please?

Arizona dad charged in deadly beating was "protecting me" from intruder, daughter says - CBS News

No, what we know is that he had “done that” before. We don’t know what “that” is and, frankly, it’s hearsay anyway.

rsff

To be abundantly clear, neither man in this case has any known record of sex abuse-related arrests and neither are registered sex offenders in the state. The topic isn't debatable in this thread. Repeating from upthread:

According to MSM reports, Harris has priors for arson and domestic abuse.

PD: Man who follows teen into Phoenix restroom is beaten, killed by father

Also, MSM reports show Armstrong had prior arrests for shoplifting and trespassing.

Father charged in fatal beating of man who followed daughter into restroom​

Sincere apologies that I am now just finding time to respond to a question that has cropped up about any arrest record for the victim.

Leon Armstrong, the victim in this case, "had a criminal history of shoplifting, trespassing and obstructing police." He is not on the sex offender registry. So far, nobody has been able to locate one single thing that suggests there were any arrests for anything related to any sex crime, or any domestic violence.

Melvin Harris, the accused in this case, has an arrest record for arson and domestic violence.

Any member who refers to this victim having a history as a pedophile, or refers to him as a pervert, a child molester, rapist, etc will face temporary or permanent loss of posting privileges. Let the facts come out before resorting to affixing labels to a deceased victim.

bumping

 

[dspdenver]

She has clearly said that her father acted to protect her from an intruder.

But isn't that just parroting the spin the family has put on the beating *after* he was charged? From most of the reporting, she was already protected and safe from Armstrong, in the car some time after the stall incident and after they watched the video with security. I got the impression they figured out who was in the bathroom with her from the video, not from any face-to-face confrontation between her and Armstrong in the restroom outside the stall, though the reporting doesn't say one way or the other, AFAIK.

It's clear the family wants to frame the beating afterward as protecting the daughter to justify what Harris did, even though she apparently was already safe and was probably less protected having been taken closer to Armstrong again in the car when they could have just driven away.

I agree these are two incidents separated by some amount of time, but it seems some people want to treat them as one continuous incident where the girl was still at risk, which I don't believe from what I've read.

 

[MindHunter13]

Even the young girl in this case has stated that the man "attempted" to enter her stall and that was that. The father "defended" her honor at the most. The girl was no longer in any danger nor was any violence enacted upon her. Short of any earth shattering revelations, this father will very likely be successfully prosecuted. He exacted textbook vigilante justice.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Short of any earth shattering revelations, this father will very likely be successfully prosecuted. He exacted textbook vigilante justice.

rsff

Yes. Because the father's actions happened away from the immediate scene of his daughter's attack. Also, the attack on Anderson was a prolonged one. The father hunted him down.

His lousy, likely criminal actions don't discredit the girl's story in any way. IMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

But isn't that just parroting the spin the family has put on the beating *after* he was charged?

rsff

No. She made those statements on her own, imo. If anything, it might be the other way around — the family might be parroting her.