AZ - Man who followed teen into Phoenix restroom beaten to death by girl's father, 2 Aug. 2018

[LaborDayRN]

He didn't necessarily mean to beat the guy to death. He wasn't dead on scene. I can't blame him. My older brother probably would've done the same thing for me this father did for his daughter.

Why? Why wouldn't your older brother call the police? I asked this earlier in the thread. What crime did Mr Armstrong commit? Was it entering a restroom of the wrong gender? Was it rattling the door? Are those crimes? It doesn't appear he touched the girl in anyway. Why not just let LE handle the situation? Now his daughter and her friends have witnessed the beating. His daughter may now be without a father in her life for many years to come.

 

[Jennifer17]

Why? Why wouldn't your older brother call the police? I asked this earlier in the thread. What crime did Mr Armstrong commit? Was it entering a restroom of the wrong gender? Was it rattling the door? Are those crimes? It doesn't appear he touched the girl in anyway. Why not just let LE handle the situation? Now his daughter and her friends have witnessed the beating. His daughter may now be without a father in her life for many years to come.

Yes, this. If he was so dangerous how did they get out with out him attacking them?

 

[Tugela]

A very good point.

I can give the man some leeway, but not a blank check. It also appears that the man may have inquired as to whether the deceased needed to be "taught a lesson", then decided to give the "lesson".

Though criminal charges appear to be supported, I would still support Manslaughter unless it could be proved that the man artificially contrived the occurrence, baited the deceased, or was actively stalking him while waiting for a pretense to attack him.

A charge of manslaughter is made when there is no malice of forethought, in other words, when a death occurs as a result of a criminal act when there was no act of malice. If it does involve an act of malice and was planned with the intent of killing the victim, then it is first degree murder. If the death results from an act of malice where killing was not intentional, it is second degree murder. In this case it pretty clearly falls in the last category, so second degree murder is the proper charge.

 

[Tugela]

I don't and I have a daughter myself, would I be annoyed, yes. Have you never had to pee so badly you will use whatever restroom is open? I have an hour and a half home from work so I have had this issue at gas stations during rush hour. Rattling the door is not offensive to me.

The father seems to have a slight rage issue with the prior domestic violence and arson arrests in my opinion.

Slightly O/T but my friend discovered her fiancee was sexually molesting her daughter. Did she kill him? No, she had her day in court and he will not be seeing the light of day again. She knew she could prove her case in court, so instead of traumatizing her daughter even more by witnessing a murder, and risking her child losing her mother, she took the high road and sent him to jail. This is an example of a much more extreme situation then the one we are discussing here. I'm sure if my friend's 11 year old could stand up in court and testify, his daughter would have been able to do the same. Sometimes you really have to think before acting and causing further damage.

That is because your friend is a decent person. Decent people don't go out and attack/kill other people because they are angry. They seek redress through the remedies provided by society. Those who do attack/kill others outside of immediate defense are a danger to society and belong in a prison cell.

 

[Cryptic]

If the death results from an act of malice where killing was not intentional, it is second degree murder. In this case it pretty clearly falls in the last category, so second degree murder is the proper charge.

The attacker harmed an adult male who followed his young daughter into a restroom- and then tried the lock.

Unless one could demonstrate that the attacker had the malice of fore thought to where he baited the victim, artificially contrived the situation, or was a self identified vigilante or "regulator" looking for pretenses to attack someone, I would consider his actions to be largely spontaneous. Thus, manslaughter.

 

[AliceInPain]

The attacker harmed an adult male who followed his young daughter into a restroom- and then tried the lock.

Unless one could demonstrate that the attacker had the malice of fore thought to where he baited the victim, artificially contrived the situation, or was a self identified vigilante or "regulator" looking for pretenses to attack someone, I would consider his actions to be largely spontaneous. Thus, manslaughter.

According to the police report he had told security to deal with the guy, apparently decided to not wait for them to do so but followed him and attacked him.
He STOMPED on another human being as he was on the ground.
That's barbaric, beyond words.

 

[AliceInPain]

Why? Why wouldn't your older brother call the police? I asked this earlier in the thread. What crime did Mr Armstrong commit? Was it entering a restroom of the wrong gender? Was it rattling the door? Are those crimes? It doesn't appear he touched the girl in anyway. Why not just let LE handle the situation? Now his daughter and her friends have witnessed the beating. His daughter may now be without a father in her life for many years to come.

This.