AZ AZ - Maricopa Co, Hisp/NtvFem UP1946, 17-20, under horse skeleton, Aug'97

[Tulessa]

So they don't mention the horse.

Nope.

 

[carbuff]

I wonder if it's coincidence. Horse bones washing into the same spot due to erosion, maybe?

 

[azure]

I wonder if it's coincidence. Horse bones washing into the same spot due to erosion, maybe?

Or a common dump site where the horse was dumped on top of the woman's skeleton?

As a horse trainer, it would be an extremely rare accident that leaves both horse and rider instantly dead on top of one another. Add to that being unidentified and I think the odds she was out riding her horse and never came home are close to nil.

 

[Reannan]

As far as the horse goes, this reminds of a story by Ron Rash - "One Foot In Eden" where a man was killed, and his body was placed in a tree by the murder so that the vultures would "take care of it", but the murderer killed his old workhorse and place the horses body under the tree so people would assume that was the reason for vultures being there. Maybe the horse was used for the same reason... to "cover the body" until it decayed, and to be a good reason for buzzards in the area.

 

[Tbone144]

It would be rare for horse and rider to die at the same time but possible. Horses can have strokes, heart failure. I believe it was this year that a horse collapsed after an event and the rider hit her head resulting in hospital stay despite helmet and immediate assistance.
https://www.google.com/amp/horsenet...ured-after-horse-collapses-at-hits-ocala/amp/

I can think of a couple of other instances this year as well. Granted most of them are the horse slipping or after intense activity.

However my neighbor's horse died last month, walked 100 feet out into the pasture and dropped due to heart attack.

 

[theshadow45]

Full list of rule outs as of 30 September 2017: Stephanie Benton 1977 Arizona, Darla Crist 1963 Arizona, Sherry Daughtery 1963 Arizona, Maria Mauricio 1977 Arizona, Adriana Rojas 1978 California, and Tiffany Sessions 1968 Florida.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Horses can have a head injury/brain injury like any other mammal. Trainers & riders really, really dislike horses with a tendency to rear, which means throw their neck & head up while lifting front feet from the ground, because the rider is likely to go over backwards with the horse landing on top. If the horse then hits its' head, the likely injured rider has about 1000 unconscious pounds on top. Not pleasant.

I used to ride in late 1960s and early 1970s. The trainer at my riding school used an old cavalry technique to cure horses which had a habit of rearing. The rider carried a plastic bag filled with water and when the horse reared it was struck between the ears with the bag hard enough to rupture the bag. The water running down its face startled the horse and seemed to convince it that it had hit its head on something hard and was now bleeding. It usually took a number of goes, but it usually worked in solving the problem.

Note, that striking a horse on the poll (between the ears) with almost anything can cause injury but the bag of water was perfectly harmless.

 

[doodles1211]

If it was her horse, then wouldn't have probably been stabled somewhere? No one noticed a missing horse and it's owner/rider? No one reported missing? What a sad case! Probably a victim of foul play of some kind...IMO

 

[Laughing]

If it was her horse, then wouldn't have probably been stabled somewhere? No one noticed a missing horse and it's owner/rider? No one reported missing? What a sad case! Probably a victim of foul play of some kind...IMO

In the West, many people have a horse or 2 or a dozen right outside the house. One less is not always news.

Melmoth TL is spot-on about the bag of water. A crop/small whip is easier to manage for the rider. (The nosebleed can be hard to manage if the crop/water bag doesn't work quickly....)

 

[doodles1211]

You are so right! I am not a horse person at all. I just see these horse trails and ranches in the middle of the city Phoenix and am amazed. We were shocked! So horses have got to be a big business or activity down here. We couldn't have our cows in our back yard! Lol. I obviously have not lived here long! It is probably normal to everyone. Thanks for the info!

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[Bit of hope]

As far as the horse goes, this reminds of a story by Ron Rash - "One Foot In Eden" where a man was killed, and his body was placed in a tree by the murder so that the vultures would "take care of it", but the murderer killed his old workhorse and place the horses body under the tree so people would assume that was the reason for vultures being there. Maybe the horse was used for the same reason... to "cover the body" until it decayed, and to be a good reason for buzzards in the area.

I'm thinking that also...cover up...

 

[Bit of hope]

Maybe someone posted this already. This is a little bit more accurate information, IMO and more details about her clothes and blankets.

On August 6, 1997, skeletal remains of an unidentified female (age estimated between 16-20, and between 5'3" to 5'6") were located in the area of 51st Avenue and Dust Devil Lane on the Gila River Reservation in Maricopa County, Arizona. Based on the condition of the remains, it is believed the Jane Doe had been deceased between 6 months and 1 year. The Jane Doe is believed to be Native American or Caucasian and had long dark brown hair, approximately 10 inches in length. The Jane Doe either had a child or carried a child to term. All of her teeth were present with no dental work. The skeletal remains of a horse were located nearby. An ankle length skirt, black in color with white designs throughout, was recovered among the horse bones. The skirt was one size fits all and “Countess” brand. Another piece of cloth, black with white polka dots, was located nearby. The material appears to be a wrap-around blouse of mid-length that buttoned in the front. Two pads were recovered that appear to be shoulder pads from the blouse. A black bra, black panties and a piece of black denim were also located. Among the remains was a pink and green comforter with a floral design and two baby blankets. One baby blanket was blue, white and pink in color and the other was pink and had been tied to the comforter on one corner. The featured reconstruction is an artist’s rendering of what the Jane Doe may have looked like. Anyone with information should contact the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, reference case number 1997-20112 or the Maricopa County Medical Examiner’s Office, reference case number 97-2152. http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1289425/1/screen

The baby blankets make me think she already had the baby and carried it with her wrapped in the blankets. IMO somebody could have killed her and took/stole the baby. As far as I know there were no remains of a baby found. I'm not sure if fragile, tiny baby-bones would be still there after 6 months or a year...laying in nature.. Or she could have falling of the horse but this is still not explaining why the horse died a the same time???? Was examined when the horse died approx.?...It confuses me. Was the horse skeleton actually on her or was it near by?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'm not sure if fragile, tiny baby-bones would be still there after 6 months or a year...laying in nature..

I suspect that a baby could have been dragged away whole by a predator such as a coyote and that any remains, ie small scattered bones, could be a considerable distance off.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Was the horse skeleton actually on her or was it near by?

Your own post quotes a source that says the horse bones were found "nearby", though does that mean 10 feet or 100 yards away? "Nearby" doesn't sound to me as though it means the horse was on top of the woman and if so there's nothing obvious to suggest the two deaths occurred at the same time, or even within months of each other.

 

[carbuff]

The MissingKids information differs from the Namus information in a number of things, including different clothing.

 

[Bit of hope]

The MissingKids information differs from the Namus information in a number of things, including different clothing.

Obviously....strange isn't it? Which one is right? We don't know. Any advise to go on?

 

[Bit of hope]

Your own post quotes a source that says the horse bones were found "nearby", though does that mean 10 feet or 100 yards away? "Nearby" doesn't sound to me as though it means the horse was on top of the woman and if so there's nothing obvious to suggest the two deaths occurred at the same time, or even within months of each other.

Exactly. Other sources say the horse was on top of her. I thought it could be relevant.

 

[Bit of hope]

Still not identified. Such a young person, you would think somebody is missing her and is searching for her.

"Her dental x-rays are available and her DNA is in the national database". Medical Examiner - Maricopa County

Latest recon.

 

[carbuff]

Full list of rule outs as of 30 September 2017: Stephanie Benton 1977 Arizona, Darla Crist 1963 Arizona, Sherry Daughtery 1963 Arizona, Maria Mauricio 1977 Arizona, Adriana Rojas 1978 California, and Tiffany Sessions 1968 Florida.

Updated link: Unidentified Person Case

No additional ruleouts

 

[Bit of hope]

Updated link: Unidentified Person Case

No additional ruleouts

Thanks Carbuff. What are your thoughts about the race of this young lady? Seeing the newest recon, she doesn't look so Native American or Spanish to me any more..
more something Hindu-like....