AZ AZ - Phoenix, Hispmale, UP1964/907UMAZ, 20-30, "Jorge", tattoos-"Rosario, Glenda, Lupe, D", Oct'99

[Bit of hope]

While I won't share the cause of death, it does not seem he went through an assault like I thought. His facial expression is probably from rigor mortis.

Unfortunately, it seems he would have died a slow death.

Why a slow death?

 

[Bit of hope]

Because of details I won't go into, Jorge being involved in a gang seems to be a pretty plausible scenario. Like I said, he was doing something illegal when he died, and there's other circumstances that makes me think he might have been participating - I even think he may have been killed by a gang member.

If you say so. I only can guess.

 

[Grungster]

Why a slow death?

It seems that he would have had to bleed out on the floor for a while and than die.

 

[Bit of hope]

Looked up the street. Big -stand alone- houses, nice cars....it looks like a very expensive neighborhood. But I don't know what is "normal/average" in Phoenix, AZ

Google Maps

 

[Bit of hope]

@Grungster...so you think (know?) this guy was gang related, doing illegal things and was killed in relation to that. Was he robbed also? Did they stole the goods, so to say? To who belonged the house, was is owned, rented out? To be honest (and I do think everybody should get his or her name back, family loving and hoping) and not trying to be judgmental, but I would rather put my energy in other cases if this is the situation at hand.

 

[Grungster]

@Grungster...so you think (know?) this guy was gang related, doing illegal things and was killed in relation to that. Was he robbed also? Did they stole the goods, so to say? To who belonged the house, was is owned, rented out? To be honest (and I do think everybody should get his or her name back, family loving and hoping) and not trying to be judgmental, but I would rather put my energy in other cases if this is the situation at hand.

I don’t think he was heavily involved in gang activity (maybe he even wasn’t) but it seems that whoever killed him did it in such a gang fashion.

 

[Grungster]

The only thing I know he was doing did not really pose as a threat to the outside world, but it is something that is illegal by law. That might have been the only thing he was doing but if he was living at the house with other potential gang members…I really don’t know. The gang possibility is just something I thought of due to what I know.

 

[Grungster]

I don’t know who exactly owned the house but I think the only reason the killer went there was to kill him.

 

[Bit of hope]

I don’t think he was heavily involved in gang activity (maybe he even wasn’t) but it seems that whoever killed him did it in such a gang fashion.

I'm not "into" gang fashion killings....but my imagination is great. You said he was doing very illegal things....do you mean he used drugs...IMO there are a lot of grays in "doing illegal things". Using drugs might be illegal by law....but there are much different things that I consider far more illegal and really bad. Did he own money (gambling, drugs, put his hands on the wrong woman, whatever) to someone? What if the "friends" left the house, called someone to rat him out? Thinking again....who would like a messy scene in his/her own house. Skip...

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[Grungster]

Regardless, I just want his family to finally get some peace knowing he has passed away, but I also want his killer brought to justice - what they did was horrible

 

[Grungster]

I'm not "into" gang fashion killings....but my imagination is great. You said he was doing very illegal things....do you mean he used drugs...IMO there are a lot of grays in "doing illegal things". Using drugs might be illegal by law....but there are much different things that I consider far more illegal and really bad. Did he own money (gambling, drugs, put his hands on the wrong woman, whatever) to someone?

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I will say I know the answer to what he was doing before he died. The only things I really know is that he was last seen the night prior, and that someone came back and found him on the floor.
He might have been at another address before going home, not sure.

 

[Bit of hope]

You don't know or you do know what he was doing? I think you do. And I also think you know what was done to him. It's ok...and I understand your integrity..you heard things you are not supposed to share, but I can't handle that very good.

If he was doing drugs I think it's very sad, but I never would judge a person for becoming addicted. If that is the only thing he was "guilty" of, I will be looking out for his identity with love. Please tell me.

Also I know you a tiny, tiny bit. You look at things very different and much sooner then me you find something very horrible. To be killed is always horrible, but call it deformation, there is a difference between horrible and horrible, depending on your perception of it.

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[Grungster]

You don't know or you do know what he was doing? I think you do. And I also think you know what was done to him. It's ok...and I understand your integrity..you heard things you are not supposed to share, but I can't handle that very good.

I do know things. The reason I’m keeping a lot to myself is because sometimes withholding information that someone later comes forward with and shares even though that has been released can really help find out who killed him.

 

[Bit of hope]

I do know things. The reason I’m keeping a lot to myself is because sometimes withholding information that someone later comes forward with and shares even though that has been released can really help find out who killed him.

Off course. a good thing. I do understand. No offence

 

[Bit of hope]

Ok.....I will keep on searching....like I did all day.

 

[Bit of hope]

I just got some reports from the ME. Like I said, I will be lenient on the circumstances of his death even though what I got was approved during legal review.

Jorge was last seen alive on the evening of October 25, 1999. I do not believe there was some sort of party going on but Jorge was doing something pretty illegal before his death. His friends apparently left the home and came back at about 5:20 PM on October 26, where they found him on the floor.

The story doesn't sit right with me and raises a lot of questions.

• So Jorge was visiting? staying? with people on the address 6699-6601 (this are a couple of houses on a row) W Chickasaw St in Phoenix, Arizona. I think he was staying with them. If you are visiting somebody it would be very strange you leave your visitor.
• I find it strange that they only knew him by the name "Jorge" (if this is true), but let him stay in their house and even trusted him enough to leave the house for a longer period (approx. a whole night and a day) of time. There must be more to this story.
• Did Jorge work for them somehow and in return they let him stay? Was he house sitting, was he guarding the house or something in it?
• Where did the "friends" know him from, where did they first met him and how long ago? Did they know his background or (gang?)associates and exchanged only a name (a moniker) on a need to know bases. A "your friend is my friend" thing?
• What kind of people were they? Would there be a reason, them being a target?
• Was there something of value in the house and a robber didn't expected somebody in the house? Wrong place, wrong time situation? Was something stolen?
• Based on the livor mortis/postmortem lividity in his face, LE must have an idea at what time he approx. died?
• Seeing the neighborhood (first Google, map picture is from 2008, so I don't know how it was in 1999) you would expect security measures, CCTV, camera's f.i. Especially when you are doing illegal things. Was somebody/something seen?

 

[Bit of hope]

The letter "D" tattoo could mean the following. the D - Dictionary.com

The city of Detroit has been proudly represented by the D since at least the early 1900s, when the city’s baseball team, the Detroit Tiger, emblazoned D, in a blackletter typeface, on their uniforms. The D became a rallying symbol for the city in following crippling race riots in the city the previous year. Detroit residents have gone on to hail their city as The (Big) D.

 

[Bit of hope]

It's impossible to find a comprehensive list of missing migrants from Honduras or make a distinction between those who have died or murdered in Mexico and those who made it to the US.

 

[Bit of hope]

This is a mother from Honduras, still looking for her son named Jorge Orlando Funes Murcia. He left Honduras in 1985 when he was 17, born approx. in 1968. He would have be around 3o yrs. in 1999. "Jorge" Doe is estimated between 20 and 30.

She did find her other missing son Mauro (Mauritio)

The caravan of mothers looking for their lost children

Clementina Murcia González, from Honduras, holds up the pictures of her two missing sons, Jorge Orlando Funes Murcia (left) and Mauro Orlando Funes (Photo by Federico Barahona)

The first one left at 17, with her blessing. The second didn’t ask if he could go, he just went.

Migration Is Not a Crime

Clementina Murcia González has been part of the mothers' caravan for the last five years. Two of her sons went missing: Jorge in 1984 and Mauricio in 2001.

With the help of a a local radio station, Radio Progresso, she recently managed to track down Mauricio and will be reunited with him in the Mexican city of Guadalajara as part of this year's caravan. Sixteen kisses and 16 hugs is all I want from my son," she says about the impending reunion.

Her search for Jorge continues.

I don't know...........

 

[Grungster]

This could very well be a match. I will send this to Detective Somershoe. Thank you!