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He gave her a legal contract that stipulated the 5 million payment. I am sure it laid everything out clearly.

She was apparently asked 3 different times. The other staffers did not say they were repeatedly asked. I think he was just asking around because he wanted to start a family.

We went through years of infertility and I know the feelings of urgency and desperation that flood you. Especially after many miscarriages. I am sure I was inappropriate when I asked around for people who knew pregnant women who wanted to give their baby to an adoptive family. I was not thinking about their feelings as much as I should have.

She wasn't shown a contract. He wanted her to 'look over a contract' but she declined, but he kept asking her and then sidelined her at her job after she had declined to see his contract, several times. That is harassment.
 
  • #42
Katydid, are you saying you think it's okay to solicit subordinates at work for sperm?
And if you really believe that is okay, for the record, there is more to Frank's story than just asking subordinates to be surrogates, there were alleged attempts at romance and also accusations of stifling someone's career after he was rejected.
Surely that isn't acceptable, right?
Franks resigned before the ethics investigation so, conveniently for him, we probably won't get all the details.

Female aides fretted Franks wanted to have sex to impregnate them

A former staffer also alleged that Franks tried to persuade a female aide that they were in love by having her read an article that described how a person knows they’re in love with someone, the sources said.
One woman believed she was the subject of retribution after rebuffing Franks. While she enjoyed access to the congressman before the incident, that access was revoked afterward, she told Republican leaders.
 
  • #43
And didn't know any other way, like, I dunno, the legal surrogacy channels through agencies, to get another child? Laughable. I just did a search and found 3 surrogacy agencies in my own city, in less than one minute.

I bet none of them require anyone to pay the surrogate $5 mill.
Offering such an exorbitant fee is suspicious to me, I would have preferred an ethics investigation but Franks prefers to just quit and claim he's the victim.
 
  • #44
I bet none of them require anyone to pay the surrogate $5 mill.
Offering such an exorbitant fee is suspicious to me, I would have preferred an ethics investigation but Franks prefers to just quit and claim he's the victim.

Aren't they always? :facepalm:
 
  • #45
"It was not clear to the women whether he was asking about impregnating the women through sexual intercourse or in vitro fertilization. Franks opposes abortion rights as well as procedures that discard embryos."

For someone offering 5 mill, he sure has a crummy lawyer to draw up papers that scare his subordinates working for Congress. I wonder who drew up the contract?

These women are probably republicans, and like the republican women who came out to expose Roy Moore, it must be awful not to have the support of the women in their own community.
 
  • #46
I can see why he would not want to go through an agency for a surrogate and would prefer to have a volunteer (albeit paid handsomely) because he knew the women in his office, knew their character, their disposition, their sobriety, probably their family history, their natural talents such as music, art, intelligence, etc., and could see with his own eyes their physical appearance.

Many years ago there was a group here of women who chose to be mothers but not wives or girlfriends. Some went to sperm banks, some to male friends, some adopted newborns. The ones who asked their male friends to impregnate them knew exactly who the father of their child was and his background, the sperm bank ones worried that the donors may have lied and the adoptive mothers had little background information on the bio mom and dad.

Whatever works for one person may not work for another. The ones who were impregnated by male friends surely saved a ton of money. Most of those men have relationships with the child.

One friend who went the sperm bank route got exactly what she ordered. Her daughter looks like her, blonde and blue, and is very tall and musically talented (as was stated by the donor), very intelligent (as is the mother and as was stated in the donor bio) and she is hopeful that there are no genetic medial issues that were not revealed by the donor. So far, so good.
 
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I wonder if his position of power bred this aberrant behavior, or has he always displayed aberrant behavior and his supporters are just drawn to that characteristic? How out of touch with reality do you have to be to think that this is the way to go about identifying a surrogate? Baffling. What other lapses of judgment has he had and acted upon that we don't know about? His poor children...
 
  • #49
The question isn't how much he money offered or how honorable he claims his intentions were but rather where he did it. Bringing sex into the workplace opens the door for sexual discrimination in the work place. There really is no excuse to try to get laid at work. If you need a surrogate, I'm guessing there are more well established routes for achieving that goal besides offering co-workers millions of dollars to bang you. Helps avoid discussions later like how got what raise and why? Just my opinion.
 
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