AZ Representative, Trent Franks, announces resignation for potential misconduct

[katydid23]

Asking repeatedly when someone turns you down is harassment, yes.

So it demands an immediate resignation after decades of work?

 

[katydid23]

Female aides fretted Franks wanted to have sex to impregnate them

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/08/trent-franks-sex-surrogacy-impregnate-287808

"It was not clear to the women whether he was asking about impregnating the women through sexual intercourse or in vitro fertilization. Franks opposes abortion rights as well as procedures that discard embryos."

 

[Tawny]

And he knew no women outside of his workplace?

And didn't know any other way, like, I dunno, the legal surrogacy channels through agencies, to get another child? Laughable. I just did a search and found 3 surrogacy agencies in my own city, in less than one minute.

 

[Tawny]

So it demands an immediate resignation after decades of work?

Maybe don't harass coworkers and it won't ruin a career.

 

[Jennifer17]

So it demands an immediate resignation after decades of work?

Yes.......

 

[katydid23]

I wonder if any women, who ask men in their workplace, to donate sperm so they can be single mothers, are going to resign in shame. I know a dozen women at least, that have asked many men, multiple times, to donate sperm to them.

Should these women lose their jobs too?

 

[Tawny]

I wonder if any women, who ask men in their workplace, to donate sperm so they can be single mothers, are going to resign in shame. I know a dozen women at least, that have asked many men, multiple times, to donate sperm to them.

Should these women lose their jobs too?

Did they continue to ask those men well after they were rejected? Then yes, resign. We don't get to harangue and harass people after they say no, that's not ok. A dozen huh? lol

 

[katydid23]

I'm not saying what he did was right. I am just saying that it is getting ridiculous to demand that every man that makes an awkward request, or makes someone uncomfortable, has to resign their position in public shame. There should be degrees of behavior, not just automatic resignations for every single thing. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder if any women, who ask men in their workplace, to donate sperm so they can be single mothers, are going to resign in shame. I know a dozen women at least, that have asked many men, multiple times, to donate sperm to them.

Should these women lose their jobs too?

Are these women in positions of power over these men?

 

[Tawny]

I'm not saying what he did was right. I am just saying that it is getting ridiculous to demand that every man that makes an awkward request, or makes someone uncomfortable, has to resign their position in public shame. There should be degrees of behavior, not just automatic resignations for every single thing. JMO

I don't even know that anyone is forcing him to resign. This is the literal first time I've heard of him even being inappropriate.

 

[katydid23]

Did they continue to ask those men well after they were rejected? Then yes, resign. We don't get to harangue and harass people after they say no, that's not ok. A dozen huh? lol

Yes, over the years, I have known a dozen, at least, that have been asking repeatedly for sperm donors. My son and my nephew had been asked several times, usually by much older women, to be compensated for donating their sperm. This is Los Angeles. Lots of hard working career women who never settled down in marriage and then needed to get pregnant before it was biologically too late.

I highly doubt that any of the career women we repeatedly asked men for sperm, would ever resign their positions.

 

[HoneyWest]

"It was not clear to the women whether he was asking about impregnating the women through sexual intercourse or in vitro fertilization. Franks opposes abortion rights as well as procedures that discard embryos."

If he were serious about the request, he would have provided a crystal clear description of what, where, when, and how the fertilization would have taken place. It still would have been inappropriate to continue asking his female staffers to be a surrogate, but I think he never said there will be no sex involved.

 

[katydid23]

I don't even know that anyone is forcing him to resign. This is the literal first time I've heard of him even being inappropriate.

Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan told Rep. Trent Franks to resign
ktar.com/story/.../republican-house-speaker-paul-ryan-told-rep-trent-franks-to-resign/
20 hours ago - After the allegations of misconduct by U.S. Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan told Franks he should resign from Congress.

 

[everybodhi]

I don't even know that anyone is forcing him to resign. This is the literal first time I've heard of him even being inappropriate.

I saw him on the news saying he is resigning because his wife is having health issues.

 

[katydid23]

If he were serious about the request, he would have provided a crystal clear description of what, where, when, and how the fertilization would have taken place. It still would have been inappropriate to continue asking his female staffers to be a surrogate, but I think he never said there will be no sex involved.

I am not saying it was a good choice on his part. I am just saying that we have to draw a line at some point. Is every awkward moment going to end in forced resignation?

 

[katydid23]

I saw him on the news saying he is resigning because his wife is having health issues.

He was asked by Paul Ryan to resign, and then he said he agreed to do so because his wife was going into the hospital and he wanted to be home.

 

[katydid23]

If he were serious about the request, he would have provided a crystal clear description of what, where, when, and how the fertilization would have taken place. It still would have been inappropriate to continue asking his female staffers to be a surrogate, but I think he never said there will be no sex involved.

He gave her a legal contract that stipulated the 5 million payment. I am sure it laid everything out clearly.

She was apparently asked 3 different times. The other staffers did not say they were repeatedly asked. I think he was just asking around because he wanted to start a family.

We went through years of infertility and I know the feelings of urgency and desperation that flood you. Especially after many miscarriages. I am sure I was inappropriate when I asked around for people who knew pregnant women who wanted to give their baby to an adoptive family. I was not thinking about their feelings as much as I should have.

 

[Jennifer17]

I am not saying it was a good choice on his part. I am just saying that we have to draw a line at some point. Is every awkward moment going to end in forced resignation?

I believe that if the person is representing the people of his state in government, they should be above reproach.

 

[Tawny]

Excuses excuses.

 

[katydid23]

I believe that if the person is representing the people of his state in government, they should be above reproach.

I guess, as a person who went through the same infertility crisis that he and his wife went through, I understand his urgent feelings about having a family. I used to ask people ing my life if they knew any pregnant women who wanted to give up their child in a private adoption. Kind of inappropriate I guess, but if you don't ask, you won't receive.

Is it really evil and horrid to offer a woman a 5 million dollar contract to become a surrogate? Does that mean he is not 'above reproach?'