AZ AZ - Tia Payne, 18, Phoenix, 30 September 2009

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Wildheart,

Thanks for continuing to respond to our questions, and sharing the information you do have. I realize you may not have answers to the questions I'm about to pose, and that's okay. I am currently estranged from my mother, not because I don't care about her and worry about what happens to her. I just can't be in a relationship with her right now. I certainly would not judge the complexity of familial relationships. Sometimes they just don't work.

These questions are more about framing Tia's disappearance in a way that may make it more likely that someone like Nancy Grace would pick up her story. To send it national so to speak.

I'm curious as to when her bank statements and other financial accounts were last accessed. I wonder how close a relationship she had with her father, and when the last time he was in touch with her. Did her father report her missing? Who actually did? Maybe it has been reported, but I don't remember reading it in a clear way if it has.

It would be interesting to note how the summons to appear was rejected at her address. Was her roommate saying at that time that she hadn't seen her in awhile? The roommate may have felt comfortable saying to the mail carrier, I haven't seen her in a week. Or she moved out. Or try and catch her tomorrow morning, she should be home. I would love to hear from her mail carrier. I'm curious if it was like her to avoid her responsibility, like responding to her summons. That could be a good indication that she may have gone missing well before at least July 1st (and perhaps during the time the certified summons was attempting to be delivered).

I wonder when the roommate got a new roommate in order to help pay for expenses. I wonder what her neighbors say about the comings and goings of her residence.

This case is infinitely frustrating to me, so I can imagine how frustrating it is for you, Wildheart. Did you decide to open a facebook page to help bring awareness to Tia's case?

Thanks again, and I hope you've found some level of comfort by being able to come here and share Tia's story.

ETA: It looks like HLN did cover this story in March 2013. It might be prudent to contact the journalist for an update. Has anyone new been added to the list of women with the Model Mayhem connection?

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/03/13/missing-model-kara-nichols-raven-furlong-croft-payne
 
  • #102
Just so I'm clear on the relationship dyanmics - Was K just Tia's roommate and friend or were she & Tia in a relationship/were partners?

She comes across to me as very possessive of Tia.
 
  • #103
Harperluu,
I am able to answer some of those questions... First of all, the address that the summons was sent to I am assuming is K's address because the address we had for Tia for her tribal money to be sent to was different. The funny thing is, K told me she and Tia had an argument about Tia going to this model shoot and that Tia left to stay with another friend. In that time ( I believe it was about a week) she went to give Tia some mail that had come for her, and that is allegedly when she was "told" Tia never came back from the photo shoot. As far as any bank statements or accounts, I have no idea. I do know she received her last per capita check in Feb of 2010, after that they came back, but the next one would have gone out in November of that year. She and her dad, to my knowledge, had a normal relationship. When we were talking though she had said he kicked her out. I tried to get her to come to Iowa where I was at the time but she wouldn't. When we were first told she went missing, they said a "friend" reported her missing. I was told a boyfriend was worried cuz she never came home after the shoot, but now I am told there was no boyfriend and like I stated before she wasn't reported right away. (?!?!) I have not been able to do the FB page as I do not have a personal computer and my work computer has a block on those sites. Excuse my ignorance; what is HLN? (Nevermind I just saw the link)I pray you and your mom can work it out... the incompleteness of not having Tia in my life is permanent now in this lifetime and there are so many things left unsaid...
Ktgirl,
Yes I am told that K was in a relationship with Tia as well, which is odd to me because it just seems that she would be more forthcoming in hopes of finding who did this to Tia.
 
  • #104
To the "GUESTS" reading this;
I don't know if any of you were friends of Tia, or knew her... but please... PLEASE If you know anything or if you saw her that year please contact someone to confirm that time frame so we can get some kind of answers... Thank you!
[email protected]
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Wildheart, what is this girl talking about, what did she do to Tia? Craigslist: have you ever found an ad for Tia there? Just noting that Tia's last activity date on ModelMayhem was July 13th, 2010.
Her friend however, has activity up to January of this year.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/1639924/viewall#/17563306

I dont believe this for 1 min! that whole statement looks as if it's to throw someone off. "I knew you shouldnt have gone on craigs list"
 
  • #108
Wildheart, what is this girl talking about, what did she do to Tia? Craigslist: have you ever found an ad for Tia there? Just noting that Tia's last activity date on ModelMayhem was July 13th, 2010.
Her friend however, has activity up to January of this year.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/1639924/viewall#/17563306

Harperluu,
I am able to answer some of those questions... First of all, the address that the summons was sent to I am assuming is K's address because the address we had for Tia for her tribal money to be sent to was different. The funny thing is, K told me she and Tia had an argument about Tia going to this model shoot and that Tia left to stay with another friend. In that time ( I believe it was about a week) she went to give Tia some mail that had come for her, and that is allegedly when she was "told" Tia never came back from the photo shoot. As far as any bank statements or accounts, I have no idea. I do know she received her last per capita check in Feb of 2010, after that they came back, but the next one would have gone out in November of that year. She and her dad, to my knowledge, had a normal relationship. When we were talking though she had said he kicked her out. I tried to get her to come to Iowa where I was at the time but she wouldn't. When we were first told she went missing, they said a "friend" reported her missing. I was told a boyfriend was worried cuz she never came home after the shoot, but now I am told there was no boyfriend and like I stated before she wasn't reported right away. (?!?!) I have not been able to do the FB page as I do not have a personal computer and my work computer has a block on those sites. Excuse my ignorance; what is HLN? (Nevermind I just saw the link)I pray you and your mom can work it out... the incompleteness of not having Tia in my life is permanent now in this lifetime and there are so many things left unsaid...
Ktgirl,
Yes I am told that K was in a relationship with Tia as well, which is odd to me because it just seems that she would be more forthcoming in hopes of finding who did this to Tia.

BBM
do you know if they had any fights? Crime of passsion Maybe?
 
  • #109
I dont believe this for 1 min! that whole statement looks as if it's to throw someone off. "I knew you shouldnt have gone on craigs list"

Thank you!!! I believe this as well... When she did speak to me for a minute she said they BOTH met some guy from CL and did a couple shoots with him, THEN he set them up on MM. She also stated that he gave K the creeps and her and Tia got into an argument because she did not want Tia to continue shooting with this guy. I got the feeling she was implying that Tia met with this guy anyway and that's why she is gone. BUT, on the website I mentioned a few comments back... (NMPD) she says "... I don't believe a photographer had anything to do with you being gone." What is that???:banghead:
 
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BBM
do you know if they had any fights? Crime of passsion Maybe?

As I said she mentioned the alleged argument,which according to K, led to Tias going to stay with friends... thats all I know of.
 
  • #111
I just thought I would share one of Tia's poems that one of my daughters shared on FB...

A REASON FOR LIVING;
Either excuse, hope or dream. Despite reality, nothing is what it seems.
A place to remember, a place you can never forget, Stronger than any heaven, no hatred or neglect.
For once all is calm, we got our respect.
No need for killing, we’re all willing.
Free voice, free in the mind, finally understanding, we’re all alike in some way or kind.
Open arms, wondered spirits, no problem, no worries, no big deal.
An unexpressed moment, ‘cause this moment, is the moment that can heal.
What happened, what’s over. It throws away the past.
Something longer than a second, something that can last
~ Tia Payne
 
  • #112
I just thought I would share one of Tia's poems that one of my daughters shared on FB...

A REASON FOR LIVING;
Either excuse, hope or dream. Despite reality, nothing is what it seems.
A place to remember, a place you can never forget, Stronger than any heaven, no hatred or neglect.
For once all is calm, we got our respect.
No need for killing, we’re all willing.
Free voice, free in the mind, finally understanding, we’re all alike in some way or kind.
Open arms, wondered spirits, no problem, no worries, no big deal.
An unexpressed moment, ‘cause this moment, is the moment that can heal.
What happened, what’s over. It throws away the past.
Something longer than a second, something that can last
~ Tia Payne

So beautiful, Wildheart. "We're all alike in some way or kind." I think that sums up the reason many of us are at WS. I know any one of the missing or deceased people here could be us or our loved one.
 
  • #113
Anything new?
 
  • #114
Anything new?

I will be up that way next week. I will be dropping in on the Detective to find out if there is anything...:crossfingers:
 
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I will be up that way next week. I will be dropping in on the Detective to find out if there is anything...:crossfingers:

Any luck, Wildheart?
 
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WILDHEART do you have gps or map of where she was found? or approx area?
 
  • #119
WILDHEART do you have gps or map of where she was found? or approx area?

You know, I am just not computer savvy, I do not know how to obtain this... I do know she was found off of Young Road between Payson and Show Low... about 2.5 - 2.7 miles down and about 80 ft. off the road... the exact location is at home in my papers... I tried locating this on Google maps... do you know how to do this?
 
  • #120
How I wish we could get the FBI involved....
 

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