AZ AZ - Tia Payne, 18, Phoenix, 30 September 2009

[2Hip2BSquare]

RIP TIA. I believe that someone did this to you. And they will come to justice. The truth always comes out.

To whoever is responsible for any foul play involved in Tia's case:

*You cannot hide forever.*

This case makes me very angry. I am very upset it did not get more attention.

 

[Wildheart48]

I hope that going there gives you some sense of spiritual closure/understanding.

Please be careful. Make sure you bring a buddy with you.

Females driving alone in remote areas = dangerous.

Thank you and I will have people with me...

 

[sloane7777]

RIP TIA. I believe that someone did this to you. And they will come to justice. The truth always comes out.

To whoever is responsible for any foul play involved in Tia's case:

*You cannot hide forever.*

This case makes me very angry. I am very upset it did not get more attention.

I agree in other cases we have more info!OK, here we go I have a million questions lets see if we can figure out the missing info so forgive me if I ask more than once
*what day was she found?
* do we know what she was wearing when found?
*how far and where did she live from where she was found?
*COD
*TOD
*do we have an offical copy of a report
*Death Cert.
*Last known sighting
*Any other friends
*places she frequented
*info on BF that may or may not have existed
*k's background, had she been in trouble or violent in the past, LE records on K
*did Tia have a Day job?
*did Tia have a car/ if so where was it
*who picked up her belongings?
*where is Tia Resting (often the perp makes multiple visits to the gravesite)
*did she have a purse, wallet, cards , bussiness cards in purse
*did she owe anyone money
*did she have any ex's who might have not wanted to let go

 

[Wildheart48]

I agree in other cases we have more info!OK, here we go I have a million questions lets see if we can figure out the missing info so forgive me if I ask more than once
*what day was she found?
* do we know what she was wearing when found?
*how far and where did she live from where she was found?
*COD
*TOD
*do we have an offical copy of a report
*Death Cert.
*Last known sighting
*Any other friends
*places she frequented
*info on BF that may or may not have existed
*k's background, had she been in trouble or violent in the past, LE records on K
*did Tia have a Day job?
*did Tia have a car/ if so where was it
*who picked up her belongings?
*where is Tia Resting (often the perp makes multiple visits to the gravesite)
*did she have a purse, wallet, cards , bussiness cards in purse
*did she owe anyone money
*did she have any ex's who might have not wanted to let go

I can answer some of those questions;
* Tia was found on July 22nd 2010, 8 days after she supposedly last seen.
* She was nude when found, although a pair of panties were near her body. (Which puzzles me because the rest of her clothes and other articles, wallet etc... were found on in a wash on the way to Wickenburg)
* Last I knew she lived in Glendale, although the address for her summons is west Thomas, perhaps K's address, so she may have lived there. So West Phoenix is approx. 90+ miles.
*COD undetermined, although there was trauma to the skull (left side) her nose had been fractured and her hyoid was broken which usually happens with strangulation.
*TOD undetermined, they could not pinpoint that.
* No copy of report... can I get that while it is still being investigated?
* Alleged last known sighting was when she was dropped off to meet whoever she had the photo shoot with. July 14th 2010
*I know of another friend but have not been able to contact this person. I do not know of any other names, although I am sure there were many.
* I do not know K's last name. So I am unsure of her past regarding Legal issues.
*Tia did not have a car
* Her death certificate should be mailed within the next week
* I believe her belongings are still with the Detective... I have her ring. It was also found with her body.
Tia is resting in Payson at the Mountain Meadows Memorial Park. As a matter of fact, we are waiting on her Headstone and will be having a "Unveiling" memorial service soon.

That is all I have for now regarding your questions...

 

[ktgirl]

Wildheart,
I am so glad to see all of the recent posts on Tia's thread and new ideas members have posted. I think of you and Tia often and hope for resolution.

 

[Wildheart48]

Wildheart,
I am so glad to see all of the recent posts on Tia's thread and new ideas members have posted. I think of you and Tia often and hope for resolution.

ktgirl.
Me too.... I have been having this feeling lately that something is coming relevant to this... I have faith that it will be a breakthrough... I am praying her justice comes swiftly, in spite of the physical evidence!! lease: And Thank you so much for everything...

 

[sloane7777]

did the police interview K? and as for the wash, was it all of her clothes -like a roommate cleared things out or was it normal wash day clothes?

it almost sounds like she was taken from the laundry mat, or thats what someone wanted it to look like, she had to have been dropped off if she really was there was the attendant or owner interviewed were there cameras? laundrys usually have them with so much money in the machines.

excuse my spelling peeps, I keep seeing mistakes after posting

 

[sloane7777]

Wildheart I hate to go there, but was there any sign of sexual abuse? she was found without clothes, strangled?

strangled sounds personal, if there was no sexual abuse the lack of clothes was to humilate the victim usually, how does the roommate sound, I mean tone wise? totally uncooperative , standoffish, fake concern? angry? is she totally unwilling to talk to you at all? sorry for being repeattive

 

[Wildheart48]

did the police interview K? and as for the wash, was it all of her clothes -like a roommate cleared things out or was it normal wash day clothes?

it almost sounds like she was taken from the laundry mat, or thats what someone wanted it to look like, she had to have been dropped off if she really was there was the attendant or owner interviewed were there cameras? laundrys usually have them with so much money in the machines.

excuse my spelling peeps, I keep seeing mistakes after posting

As far as I know, yes they did... K has stated she has negative feelings towards me due to the fact that I was not in Tia's life... understandable... however, the way I see it, there is a greater "need" here and regardless of our personal feelings about each other we should all be working towards the same purpose and that is to find Tia's killer (s) all those who loved her should be in unity for that purpose alone. There were many things she (K) told me that just did not make sense, when we did talk. I tried to find out who it was who dropped Tia off and told "K" that Tia never got back in touch with them, but she blocked me from Facebook. As for her belongings... they were in a backpack, including her identification and such. I am not sure how many articles of clothing were there, but I have contacted the detective as to where I can obtain all that information, if at all.
In regards to signs of sexual abuse... they could not identify any signs due to the condition of her remains... I still have a hard time believing it was just 8 days, and until I receive some confirmation that she was alive as of July 14th or her remains could have deteriorated that quickly, I refuse to believe the story about the time frame. Just sayin

 

[sloane7777]

She has been found? Why isnt there some sort of press release about it?

This now goes to a Denied Person Found page: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/show/10357

EDIT

wildheart: This is my daughter, she has been recently identified, her case is now a homicide investigation.

http://www.missingin.org/reg5524/tia_payne.htm

wildheart look at the recent comments, on this link have you contacted GG and if so I wonder if K has spoken with him, I see what her problem is she has only obvously heard one side , my daughter is constantly mad with her dad, and this all sounds terribly familiar, children always tug at a friends heartstrings to make someone have more sympathy and it sounds like k is resentful without knowing the full story

 

[Wildheart48]

wildheart look at the recent comments, on this link have you contacted GG and if so I wonder if K has spoken with him, I see what her problem is she has only obvously heard one side , my daughter is constantly mad with her dad, and this all sounds terribly familiar, children always tug at a friends heartstrings to make someone have more sympathy and it sounds like k is resentful without knowing the full story

I know... I tried to comment, but since K's comment, I kind of blew a fuse and they obviously deemed my comment inappropriate because they never posted it and have not posted anything I submit since... I don't know how to get ahold of that Gila Gil, but thought if someone could ask him to come to Websleuths maybe it would help... I don't know if that's allowable though

 

[sloane7777]

Ok I found several articles - there was someone else found close but I cant find any info on them , WH , Im sure you several steps in front of us right now, do you know who that was?

 

[sloane7777]

I know... I tried to comment, but since K's comment, I kind of blew a fuse and they obviously deemed my comment inappropriate because they never posted it and have not posted anything I submit since... I don't know how to get ahold of that Gila Gil, but thought if someone could ask him to come to Websleuths maybe it would help... I don't know if that's allowable though

Im going to try to find him, Im sure that is a screen name so all PI named G

 

[Wildheart48]

Ok I found several articles - there was someone else found close but I cant find any info on them , WH , Im sure you several steps in front of us right now, do you know who that was?

I am not sure specifically who he is referring to, but I do know that there were a couple of unsolved murders... I believe both were male and maybe even belonging to the tribe up there.. (White Mountain Apache)

 

[sloane7777]

Well asked him to post a way to contact him I can find a bunch in Gila bend, County, Etc. but nothing to indicate who he is

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

These girls went missing from CO. They had joined Model Mayhem AND explore talent like our sweet Tia had done. Please read Wildrose.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/05/woman-advocacy-group-to-investigate-missing-model-mayhem-teens/

"With fears of foul play growing in the cases of three Colorado women who had profiles on small-time modeling websites before they disappeared, an advocacy group for women is launching its own investigation to see if they are connected or possibly even part of a bigger, nationwide case.

The National Women’s Coalition Against Violence and Exploitation has hired a private investigator who plans to look into the possibility of a connection between the disappearances of Raven Furlong, 17, and Kara Nichols, 19, who both had profiles on ModelMayhem.com, and Kelsie Schelling, who has a modeling profile on the site Explore Talent.

“We are considering the options of an independent investigation into not only the cases we are currently handling but other cases that appear to have common attributes that may or may not be linked to the model sites in question,” Shelley Shaffer, head of the coalition's Missing Persons Division, told FoxNews.com."

Also here's a thread I've created for girls that are missing and were involved with MM or ET.

SPOTLIGHT CASE Investigation into Model Mayhem and Explore Talent related disappearances in CO - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Wildheart48]

These girls went missing from CO. They had joined Model Mayhem AND explore talent like our sweet Tia had done. Please read Wildrose.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/05/woman-advocacy-group-to-investigate-missing-model-mayhem-teens/

"With fears of foul play growing in the cases of three Colorado women who had profiles on small-time modeling websites before they disappeared, an advocacy group for women is launching its own investigation to see if they are connected or possibly even part of a bigger, nationwide case.

The National Women’s Coalition Against Violence and Exploitation has hired a private investigator who plans to look into the possibility of a connection between the disappearances of Raven Furlong, 17, and Kara Nichols, 19, who both had profiles on ModelMayhem.com, and Kelsie Schelling, who has a modeling profile on the site Explore Talent.

“We are considering the options of an independent investigation into not only the cases we are currently handling but other cases that appear to have common attributes that may or may not be linked to the model sites in question,” Shelley Shaffer, head of the coalition's Missing Persons Division, told FoxNews.com."

Also here's a thread I've created for girls that are missing and were involved with MM or ET.

SPOTLIGHT CASE Investigation into Model Mayhem and Explore Talent related disappearances in CO - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

LOL Wildrose... that's cute... I am aware of these cases... there were two men arrested for human trafficking back in 2012 (?) I don't know if they were ever tied to these women. I have considered this as well. One thing that really stands out to me (and maybe it's just me) is K's statement on the site Sloane had mentioned earlier (Gila Gil) ..."I don't believe a photographer had anything to do with you being gone"... I find that very strange since she was implying it was someone Tia was supposed to have met for a shoot from the beginning (?) Maybe it's just me but also on MM K's posting on Tia's page stated "BU I WISH U WUDN OF GONE ON CRAIGSLIST I BELIEVE U WUD STILL B HERE ". She had told me that Tia and her both had met someone from CL who set them up on MM and did a couple shoots with them. So yeh, I don't know what to think... I have probably said all this before... forgive my repetitiveness... Thank you 2HIP for your thoroughness!!

 

[Wildheart48]

Well asked him to post a way to contact him I can find a bunch in Gila bend, County, Etc. but nothing to indicate who he is

Thanks... let's hope he is able to find a way to us!!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Hehe sorry WildHeart . You still are a Wildrose though (and I've got a brown nose, wild Rose - I mean heart!)

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

LOL Wildrose... that's cute... I am aware of these cases... there were two men arrested for human trafficking back in 2012 (?) I don't know if they were ever tied to these women. I have considered this as well. One thing that really stands out to me (and maybe it's just me) is K's statement on the site Sloane had mentioned earlier (Gila Gil) ..."I don't believe a photographer had anything to do with you being gone"... I find that very strange since she was implying it was someone Tia was supposed to have met for a shoot from the beginning (?) Maybe it's just me but also on MM K's posting on Tia's page stated "If only you hadn't gone on Craigslist, I believe you would still be here". She had told me that Tia and her both had met someone from CL who set them up on MM and did a couple shoots with them. So yeh, I don't know what to think... I have probably said all this before... forgive my repetitiveness... Thank you 2HIP for your thoroughness!!

The photographer connection gives me the creeps.

Ever since I looked at her MM account and saw that photographer... Something started jumping in my stomach.