Baby Lisa's Mom Calls KMBC's Kris Ketz

[norest4thewicked]

You're entitled to your opinion, obviously. However, accusing someone with no evidence is not justice for anybody, IMO. If she's guilty then the police need to find evidence to prove it, not pin all their hopes on getting her to incriminate herself. As for the people outside her house demanding she waive her rights, if they were outside my house they'd get more than a finger. I'd fill up a big bucket of freezing cold water and ice cubes and dump it on their heads.

Thank you for allowing me my opinion. And, to me there is enough evidence to feel she is guilty. You don't. I do. Of course LE needs to put together evidence...that's a given. But, I'm not standing outside her house, I'm here on this forum. And, I'm here for Lisa, not DB.

 

[Cappuccino]

:what: Of course DB's attorneys know that she is not innocent. Why else would they be spinning lies?

Do you have some sort of link or inside information that there is "complete absence of evidence" in this case? I guess that we won't consider the inconsistencies, changing timelines, HRD hit? Yeah, better not count those.

None of the above is enough to arrest someone. And frankly, I've seen worse in other cases where the guilty looking person turned out to be a complete red herring. I'm not saying Deborah Bradley is innocent, I'm just saying people should be careful about rushing to judgement.

 

[Cappuccino]

Thank you for allowing me my opinion. And, to me there is enough evidence to feel she is guilty. You don't. I do. Of course LE needs to put together evidence...that's a given. But, I'm not standing outside her house, I'm here on this forum. And, I'm here for Lisa, not DB.

It is possible to be here for Lisa and care about her mother too. I'm not naive enough to discount her as a possible child killer, but I haven't seen enough to accuse her either.

 

[oh_gal]

Its hounding her because she has refused, she is well within her legal rights to refuse and there are times when you have to take no for an answer. This is one of them, unless and until evidence is found linking her to a crime.

Is there a specific law that LE is breaking by continuing to ask the parents to speak to them? (No snark intended, I am not a lawyer.)

 

[norest4thewicked]

None of the above is enough to arrest someone. And frankly, I've seen worse in other cases where the guilty looking person turned out to be a complete red herring. I'm not saying Deborah Bradley is innocent, I'm just saying people should be careful about rushing to judgement.

But, you didn't say "enough to arrest anyone", you said there was "no evidence" in this case. And, I far from rushed to judgment. I have followed this case from the first day and can tell you that I was at first one of the DB supporters. But, I am able to take information that I read/hear and put it into my thought process and make a decision on that. After supporting her, then I was on the fence. Finally, I felt that DB (and possibly JI) was guilty. So...no rushing to judgment with this at all.

 

[norest4thewicked]

It is possible to be here for Lisa and care about her mother too. I'm not naive enough to discount her as a possible child killer, but I haven't seen enough to accuse her either.

Of course it's possible. We each hear what we hear and use whatever we see, hear, etc. and make a judgment from that. You and a few others have pointed out what could be a reason why you support DB. Of mention was previous run-ins with the law for various reasons. I am not surprised that some feel the way they do. But, for me, I have heard and seen enough to feel she is involved. You and I are different people. You haven't seen enough, I have. It's not that complicated really. We all see things differently.

 

[Cappuccino]

Is there a specific law that LE is breaking by continuing to ask the parents to speak to them? (No snark intended, I am not a lawyer.)

No, there isn't, oh_gal, and thank you for pointing that out because I should have been more careful with my own words. When I say things like stop hounding the family, I'm not really referring to the actions of the local police so much as the plethora of lay people who have decided that DB is guilty and that they're somehow helping Lisa by bashing her. Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but at the end of the day, if DB is guilty she is not willing to talk and if she's innocent she's unable to tell us anything helpful. Whichever one of those things is true, demanding over and over that she talk to the police will not help Lisa.

 

[Cappuccino]

Of course it's possible. We each hear what we hear and use whatever we see, hear, etc. and make a judgment from that. You and a few others have pointed out what could be a reason why you support DB. Of mention was previous run-ins with the law for various reasons. I am not surprised that some feel the way they do. But, for me, I have heard and seen enough to feel she is involved. You and I are different people. You haven't seen enough, I have. It's not that complicated really. We all see things differently.

I've seen more than you think. I've been following this case right from day one too, and although I stopped posting at an early stage, I didn't stop reading.

 

[oh_gal]

It is possible to be here for Lisa and care about her mother too. I'm not naive enough to discount her as a possible child killer, but I haven't seen enough to accuse her either.

Personally, I think that Lisa was loved by her parents -- well, DB, anyway, and I'm going only by pictures and how the child seemed to be well cared for (in terms of being nicely dressed, bathed, etc.) -- if her dad loved her or not, I can't tell, because I haven't seen many pictures (any, really) of him interacting with her. Doesn't mean they don't exist, I just haven't seen them. Her mom, imo, is an alcoholic, but that doesn't mean she didn't love her child, but maybe she couldn't always care for her as she should. I know this isn't a "what do you think happened" thread, but I think an accident occurred, whether due to neglect because Mom was impaired, or whatever. I think an accident occurred that, for whatever reason, was handled badly. I believe DB has, or is still, grieving for her baby. I just also happen to think she's one of those people who realize, and utilize, the benefit of lying when it suits them or their immediate needs. I don't necessarily think she's a monster-mom. I just think she, and the baby's father, are liars who know what happened to this baby.

If this is too far OT, please remove.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I've seen more than you think. I've been following this case right from day one too, and although I stopped posting at an early stage, I didn't stop reading.

I wasn't trying to compete with who saw more or less. So, we have both followed the case, know it pretty well and you came to one conclusion, I came to another. That's not a problem to me. I just don't feel that those of us who are here for justice for Lisa should be accused of tormenting or hounding anyone.

 

[Cappuccino]

You could be right, oh_gal. Or, someone could have been watching that house, saw that the father wasn't home and the mother was busy wining it on the front porch and saw an opportunity. I'm still on the fence about what happened. I just don't think the current obsession in some quarters with DB is likely to be in anyway helpful, because if she's guilty she's now been alerted to the danger and will retreat further away from LE. If she's innocent these accusations are downright cruel.

 

[Cappuccino]

I wasn't trying to compete with who saw more or less. So, we have both followed the case, know it pretty well and you came to one conclusion, I came to another. That's not a problem to me. I just don't feel that those of us who are here for justice for Lisa should be accused of tormenting or hounding anyone.

Fair enough, but by the same token people who give DB the benefit of the doubt shouldn't be accused of not caring about Lisa.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Fair enough, but by the same token people who give DB the benefit of the doubt shouldn't be accused of not caring about Lisa.

But I didn't accuse anyone of that. I would never profess to know what anyone elses feelings, thoughts or reasons are for being here. I never hounded DB or anyone in this case...

 

[Cappuccino]

But I didn't accuse anyone of that. I would never profess to know what anyone elses feelings, thoughts or reasons are for being here. I never hounded DB or anyone in this case...

I know that, norest, I'm not accusing you of anything. You're a good person to care about Lisa Irwin, otherwise you wouldn't be posting in this thread, or following this case. I just think a note of caution needs to be in here too.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I know that, norest, I'm not accusing you of anything. You're a good person to care about Lisa Irwin, otherwise you wouldn't be posting in this thread, or following this case. I just think a note of caution needs to be in here too.

Well...FINALLY we can agree on something! :wave:

Now, storms are coming, so I'm gonna go away for a bit. Just got a huge cracker right off my deck...YUCK!!!

 

[pistolina]

I do think that LE is focused on BL's parents but I also think BL’s parents have put themselves in that position. We weren’t there when BL’s parents told their story to LE. And like cases we have seen in the past, the first impression of LE on the scene is closer to the truth than what LE is being told by the family. We can’t forget LE is trained for this type of crisis situation. They saw something in DB that first night that told them she wasn’t being honest. And she wasn’t. She was hiding the drinking! If it was innocent “adult time” and not related to the disappearance – then why hide it. IMO it told LE from the start of the investigation that DB 1st objective was to protect herself and not to find Lisa.

Maybe DB and JI are totally innocent in their daughter’s disappearance, I don’t know but I do know that they are making LE waste time and energy on them when LE should be able to clear them and focus totally on finding Lisa.

My message to BL’s parents:
Forget calling the media to cry and defend your self. Get your butt down to the police station and start answering questions. I don’t care how you feel about LE. Show up everyday and ask questions about the progress of the investigation. Make sure every person in that police station knows that you will NEVER give up on finding your child. Paper your town with flyers. Spend your weekends going to other cites and passing out flyers. Have vigils or other events to keep your child’s face and name in the news. Welcome any chance you get to speak publicly about your daughter.

Yes, I understand that every profession has corruption, even LE. I understand that you feel that you are being persecuted and victimized but no matter what you are going through right now it compares nothing to what Lisa is going through being away from her family. I'm not asking you to give up your rights or your freedom; I am only asking that you put your daughter’s best interest before your own. As a parent it is your responsibility to be a voice for your child! STAND UP AND BE THAT VOICE!!!!

If you are guilty then I agree you are doing the right thing by keeping quiet. Just sit back, keep your trap shut, and wait. If you’re lucky, one day it will all go away.

 

[Cappuccino]

Well...FINALLY we can agree on something! :wave:

Now, storms are coming, so I'm gonna go away for a bit. Just got a huge cracker right off my deck...YUCK!!!

:what:

Stay safe.

 

[AnaTeresa]

So, you know the inside thoughts of Kevin Fox? And, I never said that innocent people have no need of the Fifth Amendment. Where did that come from? If you are going to quote me, please do so factually.

And, lastly, and respectfully, I KNOW that I would never wrongfully be arrested.

BBM. Respectfully, that's something no one can know with any real certainty.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Is there a specific law that LE is breaking by continuing to ask the parents to speak to them? (No snark intended, I am not a lawyer.)

No, no laws broken. LE can ask away - asking isn't a violation of rights. On the flip side, refusing to answer additional questions is not a supposition of guilt either.

 

[oh_gal]

Well...FINALLY we can agree on something! :wave:

Now, storms are coming, so I'm gonna go away for a bit. Just got a huge cracker right off my deck...YUCK!!!

Should I, or shouldn't I? Should I, or shouldn't I?

OK...I'll ask.

What...is...a....cracker? Is it poisonous? Does it bite? Is it alive?!!! Is it indigenous to where ever you live? And do you live near me??