Baby Lisa's Mom Calls KMBC's Kris Ketz

[oh_gal]

I agree, most of us would!! However, consider the possibilty that they immediately centered on you as being guilty, and they treated you like dirt under their feet. Consider that they accused you, over and over, and yelled at you and threatened you and told you they KNEW you killed your child and it was just a matter of time until they could prove it. Consider that they lied to you at every turn, told you that you failed a polygraph, and that was prrof you did it.
Would you STILL be so anxious to talk to them???
I'm pretty sure I would not.

Well, I guess I would have to look at myself and my behavior, and say to myself, "Let's see here......is there any way that I might be acting in a deceitful manner (like...say, not being truthful in my answers, or otherwise being dishonest by omitting certain facts, no matter how irrelevant I, myself, in my layperson pea-brain thought they might be)? I can't fathom how LE could or would consider her a suspect if she had been forthcoming with her answers or her attitude.

I can't recall ever hearing of a case where the parents bent over backwards to accommodate LE, answer every question, again and again, and again, volunteer information, do everything they possibly could to aid the investigation, and those parents had been treated or suspected by LE as you have described above. If anyone can recall a case, please, prove me wrong.

I have, however, seen parents who were less than honest, or reluctant to talk, or whined about being questioned again and again and again, for hours on end, treated that way. Why? Because their behavior was suspect.

ETA: And let's say that I was treated that way, by LE, even when I, myself, feel that I've done nothing wrong...and maybe I haven't. I would go through it in a flash, if it meant that I could get my child back. Isn't that what this is all about? Getting her child back??? If you heard anything about me in the news it would be, "That child's crazy mother refuses to leave the police department until someone will help her, conduct one more search, give one more polygraph, follow up on one more lead, etc." You wouldn't hear about me because of my refusal to talk, or otherwise aid the investigation. I hope to God I never have to experience that, and I hope no one here does, either. I guess it's easy to analyze how we would handle the situation when we're sitting at home, and our kids are safe.

 

[norest4thewicked]

But, but, but...Deborah refuses to talk to the media...how can this be?

She calls one local reporter in 6 months and this is talking to the media? :what:

Well, I guess technically it was a reporter and I guess she was talking....but wow...

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think someone has been lurking here perhaps...

Probably...she has to do something with all her spare time!

 

[Jacie Estes]

Didn't happen to me but it happened to my brother. When we were young (18-19) he had a 70 Chevelle SS. He kept getting pulled over in the middle of the day and given DUI test's for no reason. He always passed because he was stone cold sober. We only could surmise that it was the car that caused the police to suspect him doing something wrong. Man that car was cool.

Nice car. I was driving an Impala. My bro had a Mustang Mach 1, he bought it from our Dad. He was always getting stopped, coulda been the waist length hair too.

Profiling is done, like it or not. So is presumption of guilt; lean hard and see if someone breaks.

That said, there is good and bad in everything and everyone.

 

[norest4thewicked]

First of all, THANK YOU for your service to our country. I'm just a 'brat' myself.

I agree with you that interrogations get out of hand. I'm glad you were able to get through it and sorry for the trouble you had afterward. I do believe that they tried to get Deborah to confess when there was nothing to confess to. Being buzzed doesn't make one a baby murderer.

No, it doesn't. But, lies, inconsistencies, bizarre behavior, narcissism, drinking to the point of blacking out, admitting you failed a polygraph, admitting to not checking on your sick baby for 10+ hours, crying when anything about YOU is mentioned - yet being able to answer questions about the night Lisa disappeared with snark, DOES make for a strong case that you might either be one or at least involved with your child's disappearance.

 

[norest4thewicked]

So basically what we have here are two different sets of people. Ones who have good experiences with LE and some who haven't. Those who like LE and those who have a beef. Those who had a beef with LE will generally doubt what LE says and transfer their experiences to DB/JI and sympathize with them and give them the benefit of the doubt.

I have to wonder about girls who marry LE and don't like them based on their job. Suddenly they don't want to hear what they did that night/day. I knew somebody who called her LE husband stupid because he didn't know she did crack cocaine. I have thoughts on this, but this thread is not the time or place.

Boy, Whisperer, you and me both....kinda biased and close-minded to base an opinion on a one time occurrence...

 

[norest4thewicked]

He said she broke down and cried on the phone...but didn't expound upon it...thank goodness! She can cry on a dime.

Bet you a dime that the crying was about all the people who are "being mean" to poor DB! Poor...POOR DB...uke:

 

[norest4thewicked]

Solid work as in following investigative protocols and using their extensive training to determine their next move in the investigation. Taking in the evidence at the scene (the shady bent window stands out as a red flag to me), the behavior and statements of the parents, among other things.

Seasoned investigators do not come onto a case and take a willy nilly stab at investigating. They evaluate things without people even knowing they are doing so. Evaluating linguistic style during interviews is a perfect example of them using their training and people not even knowing they are doing so. Some call it gut, but there is science behind it. You can determine someone is being deceptive in a lot of cases by knowing what to look for in speech patterns. Such a technique will move you forward in an investigation. These are the kinds of things I mean by solid work. I cannot speak to the specifics of this case as I do not know every move they have made. I am confident they did not come on scene and not follow established protocols and chuck their training out the window. They started with solid work, and continued from there.



ETA: not sure how this post reads. I mean it w/o the slightest bit of snark. I hope my passion doesn't read as snark. :/

BBM - This is so true and while bad apples appear in every walk of life, I have stated here that at least two of the investigators in this case are not ones who would go about questioning the way that some are accusing them of. Of course, when the clues lead to one thing, they are going to go in that direction, but there is so much more to it than just haphazardly deciding (for absolutely no reason) that one person is guilty. Why would they do this? Did they just want to go home for the day? Are they prejudiced against mothers of young babies? Are they lazy? Are they Christian zealots and feel it is wrong for two people to be living together so they decide to go after one of them? Do they hate women who are a bit overweight? Does the head investigator hate people who drink alcohol because his dad was an alcoholic? Did they see one of the children and assume that he was bi-racial, so they go after DB because they are racists?

I mean, SERIOUSLY!!! How ridiculous does this sound? :banghead:

 

[thepinkdragon]

It's pretty much to the point that no matter what Deb and Jeremy do they are wrong either way. I don't profess to know their innocence or guilt. I just threw out the hypothetical that if they were innocent and were accused from day one how I could see they would not want to talk anymore. I have a 4 yr old son and yes I would be doing everything in my power to get him back if he were missing, but I am not anyone else so I can't pretend to know what goes through their minds or know what they do behind the scenes that no one else sees.

 

[oh_gal]

It's pretty much to the point that no matter what Deb and Jeremy do they are wrong either way. I don't profess to know their innocence or guilt. I just threw out the hypothetical that if they were innocent and were accused from day one how I could see they would not want to talk anymore. I have a 4 yr old son and yes I would be doing everything in my power to get him back if he were missing, but I am not anyone else so I can't pretend to know what goes through their minds or know what they do behind the scenes that no one else sees.

Yes, it really is too bad, if they're innocent of any wrong-doing. But they have only themselves, and their behavior, to blame for this perception of them.

 

[norest4thewicked]

It's pretty much to the point that no matter what Deb and Jeremy do they are wrong either way. I don't profess to know their innocence or guilt. I just threw out the hypothetical that if they were innocent and were accused from day one how I could see they would not want to talk anymore. I have a 4 yr old son and yes I would be doing everything in my power to get him back if he were missing, but I am not anyone else so I can't pretend to know what goes through their minds or know what they do behind the scenes that no one else sees.

You are correct in that and the parents have only themselves and their actions to thank for this. While it is true that none of us can profess to know what it is like to be the parent of a missing child and how we would act, it isn't JUST their not answering questions that is making them look guiltier than sin.

 

[Cappuccino]

Well, I guess I would have to look at myself and my behavior, and say to myself, "Let's see here......is there any way that I might be acting in a deceitful manner (like...say, not being truthful in my answers, or otherwise being dishonest by omitting certain facts, no matter how irrelevant I, myself, in my layperson pea-brain thought they might be)? I can't fathom how LE could or would consider her a suspect if she had been forthcoming with her answers or her attitude.

I can't recall ever hearing of a case where the parents bent over backwards to accommodate LE, answer every question, again and again, and again, volunteer information, do everything they possibly could to aid the investigation, and those parents had been treated or suspected by LE as you have described above. If anyone can recall a case, please, prove me wrong.

I have, however, seen parents who were less than honest, or reluctant to talk, or whined about being questioned again and again and again, for hours on end, treated that way. Why? Because their behavior was suspect.

ETA: And let's say that I was treated that way, by LE, even when I, myself, feel that I've done nothing wrong...and maybe I haven't. I would go through it in a flash, if it meant that I could get my child back. Isn't that what this is all about? Getting her child back??? If you heard anything about me in the news it would be, "That child's crazy mother refuses to leave the police department until someone will help her, conduct one more search, give one more polygraph, follow up on one more lead, etc." You wouldn't hear about me because of my refusal to talk, or otherwise aid the investigation. I hope to God I never have to experience that, and I hope no one here does, either. I guess it's easy to analyze how we would handle the situation when we're sitting at home, and our kids are safe.

BBM. Kevin Fox. Also Michael Crowe, although he was a sibling and not a parent.

 

[Melon]

BBM - This is so true and while bad apples appear in every walk of life, I have stated here that at least two of the investigators in this case are not ones who would go about questioning the way that some are accusing them of. Of course, when the clues lead to one thing, they are going to go in that direction, but there is so much more to it than just haphazardly deciding (for absolutely no reason) that one person is guilty. Why would they do this? Did they just want to go home for the day? Are they prejudiced against mothers of young babies? Are they lazy? Are they Christian zealots and feel it is wrong for two people to be living together so they decide to go after one of them? Do they hate women who are a bit overweight? Does the head investigator hate people who drink alcohol because his dad was an alcoholic? Did they see one of the children and assume that he was bi-racial, so they go after DB because they are racists?

I mean, SERIOUSLY!!! How ridiculous does this sound? :banghead:

I could entertain a single investigator, possibly even two, projecting bias and false guilt onto someone. I just cannot entertain that possibility when you have a multi-agency team of investigators. KWIM?

 

[oh_gal]

BBM. Kevin Fox. Also Michael Crowe, although he was a sibling and not a parent.

Thank you. I knew if there were such a case, someone here would find it.

So, yes, the police made a mistake in Mr. Fox's case -- even got a signed confession. He was treated very, very badly by them, and he had fully cooperated (unlike DB and JI). What happened to him was wrong. None of us is infallible.

One difference I see between these cases, though (and, again, please correct me if I am wrong) is that Mr. Fox confessed to murdering his child -- his child was already known to be deceased. Lisa Irwin is still missing, and we don't know if she is dead or alive.

So, I guess I'd like to know, from the parents out there, if your child were missing (and you didn't know if that child were dead or alive), AND you were totally innocent of any wrongdoing, is there nothing you would not go through for the chance to have your child found and brought back to you?

Again, the game-changer is whether you have any prior knowledge to what happened to your child.

 

[Cappuccino]

If Deborah Bradley is innocent - and I don't know whether she's guilty or innocent - but if she is, what good would it to for her to keep submitting to LE interrogations? If she's already told them everything she knows, and they keep the investigation focussed on her, I could see how she would just give up with the police and pin her hopes on private investigators instead.

If she's guilty, she's clearly canny enough to hide it, so these constant demands for her to speak to the police are about as useful as throwing buns at the moon.

 

[norest4thewicked]

If Deborah Bradley is innocent - and I don't know whether she's guilty or innocent - but if she is, what good would it to for her to keep submitting to LE interrogations? If she's already told them everything she knows, and they keep the investigation focussed on her, I could see how she would just give up with the police and pin her hopes on private investigators instead.

If she's guilty, she's clearly canny enough to hide it, so these constant demands for her to speak to the police are about as useful as throwing buns at the moon.

So, is this to say that you believe that there is absolutely not one shred of additional information that LE has uncovered in six entire months that they need to ask DB about? Is the belief that every single thing involved in this crime was discovered that very first couple of days? I just don't understand this....

 

[Cappuccino]

So, is this to say that you believe that there is absolutely not one shred of additional information that LE has uncovered in six entire months that they need to ask DB about? Is the belief that every single thing involved in this crime was discovered that very first couple of days? I just don't understand this....

If they have follow up questions relating to new information they can very easily relay those questions to DB through her attorney.

Incidentally, oh_gal, I've thought of another case of a parent of a child who is still missing that won't co-operate with LE. She even threw coffee cups at two FBI agents who went to her house to question her, and has consistently refused to give any DNA sample - Noreen Gosch.

 

[norest4thewicked]

If they have follow up questions relating to new information they can very easily relay those questions to DB through her attorney.

Incidentally, oh_gal, I've thought of another case of a parent of a child who is still missing that won't co-operate with LE. She even threw coffee cups at two FBI agents who went to her house to question her, and has consistently refused to give any DNA sample - Noreen Gosch.

I never said they were follow up questions. There are many questions that could come up that they need to ask. I'm just trying to figure out what the paranoia is about LE for an innocent person? And, I've heard the explanation of the two or four people who were arrested when they were innocent. Their stories aren't anything like this story. I just want to hear a logical explanation why an innocent person would not want to find their child?

Oh, and Johnny's Gosch's story is not the same either...so ...

 

[Cappuccino]

No two stories are identical. Oh_gal asked for examples of where innocent people came under suspicion after being fully co-operative with LE, and I gave her two. I could give more than two if you like - try googling Jerry Hobbs, for example. The fact of the matter is, LE could relay any questions they have for these parents through their attorneys. Its not like they have no lines of communication open to them.

What they want is Deborah Bradley alone in an interview room with no attorney present. If she's guilty, she's not going to give it to them, and if she's innocent she shouldn't give it to them.

 

[oh_gal]

I never said they were follow up questions. There are many questions that could come up that they need to ask. I'm just trying to figure out what the paranoia is about LE for an innocent person? And, I've heard the explanation of the two or four people who were arrested when they were innocent. Their stories aren't anything like this story. I just want to hear a logical explanation why an innocent person would not want to find their child?

Oh, and Johnny's Gosch's story is not the same either...so ...

Me too.