GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #2

[Kamille]

Has the notion of E or ICE or some other chemical drug come into the picture yet? HM is out of home; TS is charged by LE at the party - takes selfies while under arrest; belligerent behaviour at hotel. Escalation to violence. Then murder. IMO the young man may have carried a supply into Bali quite easily. Would also explain the erratic simplistic behaviour following the murder.

SM thought this was a new start for her and daughter - removing her from an environment/bad company. Certainly has a whiff about it, to me. If they had as much as a hint of illegal substances in their blood (and that was 100% certainly tested by LE) then they're history; lock the door and say goodnight. This is all JMO of course.

Re passports locked up by reception - that is the norm for all tourists. Is done at the time of booking in. TS room was booked/billed under SM authority (even if it was actually done by HM) so therefore his passport was locked up under her name not his.

Haven't read anything that would indicate that either of them were into drugs any stronger than pot but you never know.

While locking up passports and other valuables by tourists is considered a very good idea, this is normally done in safes provided in the room that you set with your own entry code. The St Regis does have in room safes and likely at a high end resort like that the cost would be included in the room fee. However they are usually pretty easy to break into for anyone truly inclined to do so. For extra security you do have the option of using safes at the front desk reception for a fee and for some reason this appeared to be a preferred method for SWM. I wonder why?

MOO

 

[RR0004]

Has the notion of E or ICE or some other chemical drug come into the picture yet? HM is out of home; TS is charged by LE at the party - takes selfies while under arrest; belligerent behaviour at hotel. Escalation to violence. Then murder. IMO the young man may have carried a supply into Bali quite easily. Would also explain the erratic simplistic behaviour following the murder.

SM thought this was a new start for her and daughter - removing her from an environment/bad company. Certainly has a whiff about it, to me. If they had as much as a hint of illegal substances in their blood (and that was 100% certainly tested by LE) then they're history; lock the door and say goodnight. This is all JMO of course.

Re passports locked up by reception - that is the norm for all tourists. Is done at the time of booking in. TS room was booked/billed under SM authority (even if it was actually done by HM) so therefore his passport was locked up under her name not his.

BBM- In today's day and age, there are in-room safes that work just fine for holding valuables. I'm wondering if Sheila wanted to be extra cautious that her items (money, jewelry, passports) were safe and secure- especially with the instructions that only she had access to the safe. My daughter was in Bali exactly a month prior to Sheila's visit. I asked her if the hotels there offered their safety deposit box...she said no. She kept all of her important documents in the safe in the room. If TS had his own room, he could have kept his passport in his safe. IMO, Sheila was afraid of something from the getgo. PS- do Australian hotels hold passports upon check-in?

 

[RR0004]

Haven't read anything that would indicate that either of them were into drugs any stronger than pot but you never know.

While locking up passports and other valuables by tourists is considered a very good idea, this is normally done in safes provided in the room that you set with your own entry code. The St Regis does have in room safes and likely at a high end resort like that the cost would be included in the room fee. However they are usually pretty easy to break into for anyone truly inclined to do so. For extra security you do have the option of using safes at the front desk reception for a fee and for some reason this appeared to be a preferred method for SWM. I wonder why?

MOO

Gosh- scary how we think alike. lol

 

[RR0004]

I've asked that myself in the other thread. Was that Sheila's suitcase that was used to conceal her body and did they just leave her belongings in the hotel room? I understand that they had other suitcases with them that were also placed in the taxi only they were put in the back seat.

I'd be interested to know how much TS packed and what size suitcase he had with him considering the trip was supposed to be over in a couple of days. His cousin posted to facebook that half of his clothes were in Indonesia. So TS obviously borrowed clothes for the trip from him, which indicates to me that he intended to return. But how much did he bring? What was HM telling him about the length of their stay?

Also curious about why HM and SWM stayed in two different hotels during the trip. Was that planned? We've heard nothing about their behaviour at the other hotel although I think it was from there that HM posted the instagram pic about "her attitude you know what it do". I believe SWM was using Starwood travel points and the St Regis is a Starwood hotel. Is the other one? Were her points only good for a certain number of days at the St Regis?

If she was being frugal with travel points and such to be able to afford this vacation and then she found out that her daughter had charged her boyfriend's plane fare to her credit card when he showed up unannounced with no money of his own to get a room I'd imagine she was livid.

MOO

Not unusual to break up a stay in Bali. My daughter stayed in 3 different places in about 10 days. Seminyak wouldn't be my favorite place to stay (there is a W hotel there), but it's close to the airport and there are reasonable hotels there. It's also a little bit more lively than Nusa Dua, so perhaps Sheila wanted to make sure HM had a bit of fun. You'd have to have a heck of a lot of points to stay for a longer period of time at the St. Regis.

 

[Hiandmighty]

The in room safes aren't really safe because there is a standard code, like 9999 or something that resets the code. So any employee or whoever could get in the room, reset the code and access what is inside the safe. Is more for convenience, but for anything very valuable, I'd use the front desk safe deposit box.

http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/do-not-trust-your-hotel-room-safe/

 

[Mountain Misst]

BBM- In today's day and age, there are in-room safes that work just fine for holding valuables. I'm wondering if Sheila wanted to be extra cautious that her items (money, jewelry, passports) were safe and secure- especially with the instructions that only she had access to the safe. My daughter was in Bali exactly a month prior to Sheila's visit. I asked her if the hotels there offered their safety deposit box...she said no. She kept all of her important documents in the safe in the room. If TS had his own room, he could have kept his passport in his safe. IMO, Sheila was afraid of something from the getgo. PS- do Australian hotels hold passports upon check-in?

Aus hotels would follow general international procedures, I would expect RR. I wasn't going off local hotel practice, more my own experiences with travelling abroad. Passports were held at reception so that LE could check tourists' passport contents (track for their for their own purposes), without the tourist's knowledge. I guess I'm just outa-date..

 

[Kamille]

Aus hotels would follow general international procedures, I would expect RR. I wasn't going off local hotel practice, more my own experiences with travelling abroad. Passports were held at reception so that LE could check tourists' passport contents (track for their for their own purposes), without the tourist's knowledge. I guess I'm just outa-date..

I do believe you are correct and that there are some countries in which the hotel is required to have a copy of your passport kept at the reception desk. I understand that a photocopy is sufficient now and it is recommended that you bring your own photocopy with you so that your actual passport is never out of your possession while someone has to take it somewhere to copy it. If I'm not mistaken I believe Peru may be one of those countries as I believe that the hotel that Joran Van Der Sloot stayed in when he murdered Stephany Flores had a photocopy of his passport on file, that was shown in the media after he fled to Chile.

After the disappearance of Malaysian Air MH370, there was talk about a couple of the passengers on that flight using stolen or lost passports. There was some discussion about how valuable passports are in that part of the world so I can understand SWM wanting to make sure they were securely locked up. And considering her travel companions had recently stolen from her and may have also done so again to get TS to Bali, I can certainly understand why she'd give specific instructions not to allow them access to the contents of the safe.

MOO

 

[Curious Me]

:badmood: Rice again? :whine:


Hey, I promise not to complain,

I wouldn't mind at all if you want

to serve me some KFC tonight. lease:

 

[RR0004]

The in room safes aren't really safe because there is a standard code, like 9999 or something that resets the code. So any employee or whoever could get in the room, reset the code and access what is inside the safe. Is more for convenience, but for anything very valuable, I'd use the front desk safe deposit box.

http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/do-not-trust-your-hotel-room-safe/

Oh, gee now you tell me! (just spent a week out of the country)
I still think reputable hotels/resorts would a) be very careful in screening their employees, and b) follow through on any thefts (especially telling with all the technology available now) and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. But, to be honest...cr*p happens anywhere, but the St. Regis (many properties worldwide) has an amazing reputation in the travel industry.
I do think the hotel has a lot captured on their cameras, time stamps (doors opening and closing), etc...and would love to know what they know.

 

[RR0004]

Aus hotels would follow general international procedures, I would expect RR. I wasn't going off local hotel practice, more my own experiences with travelling abroad. Passports were held at reception so that LE could check tourists' passport contents (track for their for their own purposes), without the tourist's knowledge. I guess I'm just outa-date..

Ya know, I kinda remember that from days of backpacking in Europe...unfortunately, my memory isn't as good as my gf who I traveled with so I often have to call her to get her recollections (she's especially good with high school, lol).

PS- just as an FYI...I've worked in the travel industry for a looong time. The sleuth in me is dying to reach out to some of my contacts and ask a zillion questions (not that they'd tell me ANYTHING), because truly...there's soooo much "missing" information. It's making me nuts.

 

[SouthAussie]

OT .. but Schapelle Corby's boyfriend will be joining TS in Bali jail today. He was just arrested for possession of cannabis and more was discovered in his home. Facing 12 years prison time. It is not sure how this will affect Schapelle's parole - where she must remain in Bali until 2017 (and presumably remain drug-free).

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/29/11/35/corby-s-boyfriend-caught-with-drugs-reports

 

[RR0004]

OT .. but Schapelle Corby's boyfriend will be joining TS in Bali jail today. He was just arrested for possession of cannabis and more was discovered in his home. Facing 12 years prison time. It is not sure how this will affect Schapelle's parole - where she must remain in Bali until 2017 (and presumably remain drug-free).

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/29/11/35/corby-s-boyfriend-caught-with-drugs-reports

OMGoodness...what was he thinking???!!

 

[SouthAussie]

OMGoodness...what was he thinking???!!

Apparently he must like the pleasant ambiance and culinary delights of Hotel Kerobokan - which is evidently where he met Schapelle, according to the article.

 

[Curious Me]

OT .. but Schapelle Corby's boyfriend will be joining TS in Bali jail today. He was just arrested for possession of cannabis and more was discovered in his home. Facing 12 years prison time. It is not sure how this will affect Schapelle's parole - where she must remain in Bali until 2017 (and presumably remain drug-free).

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/29/11/35/corby-s-boyfriend-caught-with-drugs-reports

Low-key relationship may save Schapelle from losing parole after boyfriend allegedly busted with drugs
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/29/11/35/corby-s-boyfriend-caught-with-drugs-reports

Thanks for sharing this. He's handsome, and she's lovely. I am always shocked at the strict laws there, and the prison time, especially for this particular drug. Why did he risk his freedom there again!

I didn't know Schapelle had to stay there to serve out her parole. She can't go home or leave the country?

Why are they, the arrested, all wearing masks in the picture? Oh, there's a video too.

 

[SouthAussie]

Low-key relationship may save Schapelle from losing parole after boyfriend allegedly busted with drugs
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/29/11/35/corby-s-boyfriend-caught-with-drugs-reports

Thanks for sharing this. He's handsome, and she's lovely. I am always shocked at the strict laws there, and the prison time, especially for this particular drug. Why did he risk his freedom there again!

I didn't know Schapelle had to stay there to serve out her parole. She can't go home or leave the country?

Why are they, the arrested, all wearing masks in the picture? Oh, there's a video too.

Yes, I think they are a nice looking couple too. And it does seem absurd that Schapelle’s boyfriend is potentially facing almost the same amount of time in prison, for a few grams of cannabis, as the dynamic duo are facing for allegedly viciously bludgeoning Sheila to death (if the crime is found to not be premeditated).

Especially when small amounts of cannabis are not illegal in several countries now, and it is being used for medicinal purposes in more and more situations.
ETA: Though I just heard on the nightly news that Indonesia considers cannabis to be a Class A Narcotic. And Schapelle's mum says 'he is not her boyfriend'.

Yes, Schapelle must live in Bali till July 2017, attend monthly parole meetings there, dress appropriately (whatever that means), can only leave the island for short periods with approval, and a few other things …. in this article.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/schapelle-corbys-parole-conditions-released-20140208-328gq.html

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Gitana (or another lawyer), I asked this at the end of the first thread but it was right when it closed, so I think it might have been forgotten. Does anyone know the legalities of a will payout in such a case? I'm quoting my comment from that first thread. Many thanks! The reason I'm asking is bc I think if a person goes to prison and is convicted of a capital crime in the USA (for a crime committed here as well), their accounts are either frozen, allocated to family, or seized by the govt for their incarceration payment so to speak. But what about if the crime was committed overseas? Can our govt seize those funds as well?

Gitana, in the USA, if a person goes to jail/prison, how does their bank account work (provided they have money in an account or in a trust)? I'm wondering if a person goes to prison for committing murder, are they allowed to keep their money or does the State take it from them to help the government pay for their incarceration? Or can the prisoner sign that money over to a person of their choosing? Also, if a person has money here in the USA and are incarcerated somewhere in a foreign nation, but say they're in a foreign jail for the murder of another US citizen, can the government take the incarcerated person's money? Or could it be held in reserve for if & when they return stateside?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Also another question for our lawyers, here in the USA, if a person is accused of committing murder and they are indigent, the US supplies a capital offense death penalty qualified attorney/public defender. IOW, the US foots the bill for legal fees in certain cases. Well what about if the crime is in another nation? If said person is indigent, would the US supply a capital qualified defense attorney from that country? Would the US Consulate foot the bill for representation?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I have gone through every single thing of Tommy's that I can find. His relationship with his exgf was very serious. They dated off and on since grade school. They were very big parts of each other's lives. It definitely wasn't Tommy taking advantage of her death for media exposure as some have suggested. He really does seem deeply affected by her death according to his online comments and such. She was a humanitarian and college student. He did drop out of college to pursue a music career. Some people question that but I know people that have done this - one of my friends did this same thing but not for music but instead for television. He followed his dreams instead of his parents dreams and have produced some long running tv series, still going strong. That's the same thing John Mayer did and look how he turned out. Tommy smoked weed. To that I say big deal, 90% of kids have done that. He might not have had alot of money growing up, but he had a mom that worked her butt off. Theres absolutely nothing that I've come across that even suggests Tommy wasn't parented right except for people running their mouths that didn't really know him. Reviewing his social media shows nothing really horrible until he met Heather.

Is it possible that Tommy wasn't even in the room with Sheila and Heather but helped Heather out of panic bc he'd already lost the love of his life, plus grew up without a father and didn't want his baby to grow up without a dad - if that's even his baby? I'm not sure I buy into what Bali police said about sex after the murder. Idk, when would they have found the time? Maybe Bali police discovered a couple naked people when they arrested them sleeping but maybe they weren't wearing clothes bc the clothes they fled in were the only ones they had so they shed them for sleep so Bali PD assumed they'd had sex? Maybe Tommy didn't want to lose another person...or maybe he just wanted to get back to the US where he could explain himself to someone he could trust? He isn't some spoiled rich kid that doesn't know how to act. What he did in helping to cover up Sheila's death was wrong, but if he wasn't involved in her death then does he deserve death himself? I'm thinking Heather got into a row with her mom as usual, maybe threw the lamp or that ornamental piece that was described as an ashtray, and Sheila died - accidentally...but it would be considered murder bc of the history of fighting. You have to "think" before you pick up a substantial object and throw it at somebody's head, which again suggests murder - but maybe it was a heat of the moment fight. So I'm kind of wondering now if this is a case of a boy that followed the crowd and became lost in it. Kwim? Is it at all possible?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Came across this interesting article. It makes me wonder why Sheila liked it there so much. Is this trash on the beach something recent or has it been ongoing for years? Could Heather have gotten there, saw the beach and became miserable, so didn't want to leave the hotel - racking up room charges in the meantime with her bf? Tommy didn't have money, he couldn't afford even one night in that room, so I'm positive he went there under the assumption Heather or her mom were paying for him to be there. Obviously he trusted Sheila since she put his passport in the safety deposit box at the front desk. The common denominator is Heather and the majority of the 86 police visits to her house backs that up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larissa-and-michael-milne/why-you-should-take-bali-_b_4925542.html

Larissa and Michael Milne
Why You Should Take Bali Off Your Bucket List
Posted: 03/10/2014 4:52 pm EDT Updated: 05/10/2014 5:59 am EDT

Note: We took the photo of the chairs above right behind the woman lying on the beach among all the trash. You can even see these chairs in the upper left hand corner of that photo. Because of the perspective the trash is hidden, creating the illusion of a sylvan beach.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Anything is possible and I tend to believe TS got caught up in H's drama and they both freaked out once they established Sheila was dead. I do think they wanted to get off the island and back to the states before anyone found out. I tend to think it wasn't premeditated.