Barbra Striesand gets drink thrown at her
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CyberLaw said:
good point. but when they lose ticket sales and people stop buying their music they should stand by their statements and not run all over the media whining about how mistreated they have been by the pro bushies as you call them. The pro bushies are protected by the same freedom of speech that babs and the chics are. If your going to have a strong opinion, have it....but don't expect me to sympathize with your self made downfall! Their movie is the perfect example of them wanting to have their cake and eat it to.
Peter Hamilton said:
I agree! I always saw it as arrogance. Some of these stars start believing their own hype. Ie, Madonna and Angelina Joile are now the new Princess Di's. WTH? One was sporting a vial of blood around her neck, and I don't even want to get into the rest of it. And the other has slithered around the stage and made a living pushing the limit in offending peoples senses. Now they hire a stylist and, POOF they are suddenly enlightened. They throw on their " Take me serious" attire and want to be seen as self-sacrificing, philanthropists.
They all go on Oprah tell their story, the audience applauds and cries.
Oh and let's not forget Tom Cruise and his, "Matt your so glib", remark. Hope this little phase that's been sweeping hollywood by storm ends soon!
I agree with you that people can't dictate to Barbra what is acceptable for her to do at her concerts BUT as a consumer I don't personally go to a "concert" for a lesson in politics. I have seen many concerts in the past and not one of the performers I saw said anything that could offend the masses. If Barbra wants to perform only for Dems. that is what she could advertise? I also feel if Barbra wants to sit on a talk show and talk about her beliefs, that is fine, I can either tune it out or listen. I feel the same way about a lot of other stars and I just think they shouldn't use their stage time to promote their personal beliefs (about religion or anything else...) I do happen to think the ticket holders make the bottom line for Barbra, if no one buys tickets then how many shows will be cancelled?CyberLaw said:
Barbra isn't the only offender in this arena, I love the Dixie Chicks and their musical abilities but once again, I refuse to pay for a concert that turns into a political ruckus. It isn't worth the aggrivation to me.
I am not a staunch Republican. I will not speak out against our President at this point because I personally don't feel appropriate in doing so. And I would never come into your home for dinner and tell you what to cook... it would be such a thrill to have someone else in front of the stove! LOL!
Have a great day all of you!
Why is it that when a Bush supporter stand up for what they think is right then people get so upset but when the shoe is on the other foot and it is a liberal agenda people look the other way. I am not a Bush supporter but I am so tired of heaing about Bush bullies, are they bullies just b/c their opinion differes from you liberal one? Seems to me that there are an awful lot of liberal bullies too. hello, throwing red paint on fur coats, anyone? If thats not bullying then what is. Even after the dumb comments kerry made the other day the issue was still how horrible Bush was, not that John Kerry called our troops stupid. Barbra Streisand isn't getting paid to give a political rally, she neds to sing and thats it. I guarantee you, if you went to a concert put on by Toby Keith and he had an anti democrat skit people would get upset and be out for blood.
I agree with what you are saying completely! (I attended a concert in a nicer venue once and the red paint/fur coat thing happened there! It wasn't me wearing the fur, thankfully!)2sisters said:
I will say that I haven't heard any negative feedback on Toby Keith concerts, I don't know if he touts his beliefs on the stage or not? I did see him do an interview on TV once and he came across pretty nice and didn't sling any mud. I believe in our right to free speech, but also believe that offending the potential ticket buyers may not be the best way to conduct business.
Good post. I would never call "Liberals" Bullies, Just because our opinions differ. I am sure people would get mad at a TK concert if he was spouting off at the mouth about Politics and they did not pay to hear it. IMO you are there for music, Hence the word "Concert", not political rally. That is what people want to hear from babs and the chicks, not their political views. I for one am not a "bush supporter" for Gods sake my brother is in Iraq and I dont know why. I am a "Troop Supporter" if anything.2sisters said:
This is not a political rally, it is "Babs" expressing her views at her concert. She has not toured in more then a decade, she knows what the market will "hold".
Again, if the Pro Bush people love Babs, but hate her politics, then so be it, but this has been known for quite some time, that "Babs" is an outspoken liberal and has expressed her views.
By the way: If a person invites me over to dinner, and I know, that I am in "store" for their "preaching" and gospel. I would not go. I would decline an invitation. If I was invited over for dinner, and was "gaslighted" with gospel, I would "feign" a headache(not to hurt feeling) and leave. No one is "holding" me captive, nor at this concert also.
No one forced these people to buy tickets, no one was "deceived" that this was not going to happen. Remember Valerie Plume, her husband did not "agree" with Bush and look what happened to her.
It is a form of control and revenge, pure and simple. Also is not like "Bush is doing" well at the polls these days, so I guess with this "skit" portraying Bush as a "blithering" idiot, it reflects her opinion.
How about Babs for President......Bono does not get this flak, Live 8 did not also, those were and are "both political" but does not take a direct hit on Bush, that is the difference.
May I suggest, ear plugs be given out for people who do not "share" the views" of "the "hostess" and star of the concert. They can see no evil, hear no evil and then "take off the ear plugs" when the star starts to sing again. Ignorance is bliss..........
Just because I am a Liberal, does not mean that I think that Conseratives are wrong. Just a different view then mine. But I will not be a Bully....to change their view.
What if a star does not give a "great" concert" is off key, or what ever, do you really think that you will get your money back because it did not meet your "expectations". Not a chance, it has to "be materially" deficient to get a refund, and usually then it is only a PR tactic. If you want your money back, you can demand it, but good luck.
What is Babs surposed to do, she wants to express her views. Should there be a "disclaimer", in ads for the concert, that "this is only" open to people who are liberal. Can you imagine what the Dems would do, they would want blood. Then when they "are legally" allowed to buy tickets, then they will complain. You can't win either way.......
Again, if the Pro Bush people love Babs, but hate her politics, then so be it, but this has been known for quite some time, that "Babs" is an outspoken liberal and has expressed her views.
By the way: If a person invites me over to dinner, and I know, that I am in "store" for their "preaching" and gospel. I would not go. I would decline an invitation. If I was invited over for dinner, and was "gaslighted" with gospel, I would "feign" a headache(not to hurt feeling) and leave. No one is "holding" me captive, nor at this concert also.
No one forced these people to buy tickets, no one was "deceived" that this was not going to happen. Remember Valerie Plume, her husband did not "agree" with Bush and look what happened to her.
It is a form of control and revenge, pure and simple. Also is not like "Bush is doing" well at the polls these days, so I guess with this "skit" portraying Bush as a "blithering" idiot, it reflects her opinion.
How about Babs for President......Bono does not get this flak, Live 8 did not also, those were and are "both political" but does not take a direct hit on Bush, that is the difference.
May I suggest, ear plugs be given out for people who do not "share" the views" of "the "hostess" and star of the concert. They can see no evil, hear no evil and then "take off the ear plugs" when the star starts to sing again. Ignorance is bliss..........
Just because I am a Liberal, does not mean that I think that Conseratives are wrong. Just a different view then mine. But I will not be a Bully....to change their view.
What if a star does not give a "great" concert" is off key, or what ever, do you really think that you will get your money back because it did not meet your "expectations". Not a chance, it has to "be materially" deficient to get a refund, and usually then it is only a PR tactic. If you want your money back, you can demand it, but good luck.
What is Babs surposed to do, she wants to express her views. Should there be a "disclaimer", in ads for the concert, that "this is only" open to people who are liberal. Can you imagine what the Dems would do, they would want blood. Then when they "are legally" allowed to buy tickets, then they will complain. You can't win either way.......
Who is being a bully here? I am confused? I dont care what anyone thinks its a free Country. Just dont do it at a concert where you are supposed to be singing and that is what people expect. I will not buy their tickets that is my right. Sometimes people are under the Impression that they are getting music from a singer because they are going to a "concert" and it turns into a political thing and they did not pay for it. I would be ticked too if I bought a ticket and paid my hard earned money and got a freaking speech on politics. I would not throw anything, but I would be ticked.
Why does it have to come to that. If they are going to talk about politics they should let people know that this is what I am going to do and then the people who pay can decide to go or not. :twocents:CyberLaw said:
I guess I just don't feel that politics should overlap entertainment. Barbra is an entertainer as her career choice, I don't find politics the least bit entertaining. When I went to see Cher, she put on a stage act and did talk, but I didn't find anything offensive about anything she said, she had all the attention of the crowd and believe you me, it was a crowd of many different types of folks.
When we leave home and go out for entertainment, it is an escape from our normal lives... we try to leave the mundane tasks behind and try to go out and relieve the stress of our lives. I don't care if Barbra "Bush Bashes" but don't do it on my time... just SING.
When we leave home and go out for entertainment, it is an escape from our normal lives... we try to leave the mundane tasks behind and try to go out and relieve the stress of our lives. I don't care if Barbra "Bush Bashes" but don't do it on my time... just SING.
Well maybe again I am not explaining my view as well as I should.
100K people are dead based on a lie, deceit, fraud and then you are saying: Shut up and sing, please shout it from the roof tops, get a loud speaker, tell Bush that no it is not the "inernets" nor "the google", everyone knows that Bush is a Bully, that is common knowledge around the world. May I repeat that, common knowledge around the world.......
I just read that a "liberal" showed up at a republican event and "expressed" his views and was" put in a strangle" hold and held to the ground. Oh, last time I checked, political dissent was allowed anywhere in the USA, and even OMG at concerts.
I have yet to see a Liberal kill one person or lead them to their death based on lies. This really ticks people off and Babs is no exception. If I was an American, I would feel deceived, as Bush mislead me and my loved one into war and death. Nothing has nor will be gained by the death of 100K people. Nothing was nor will be gained for the USA in Iraq.
In response to Michelle:
If this "whole" concert was about politics , then I can see your point, if Babs did not sing and only "spoke of Politics" again I see your point.
But she is singing her hits over what the last 40 years. This skit is only a "small" portion of the concert, it is again HER concert, her tour, her label, she has enought clout that she can easily call the shots.
This skit is "entertainment" also, it is a skit, only some people do not like the subject matter, which Babs is known for her strong political views.
Babs could have easily "spoken" politics, because again, it is her show.
So the people who had tickets, who are Rep, who know about this skit, who do not agree with her politics or skit were free to "sell" scalp their tickets, get a lot more money then they paid. No one again forced them to go, it was their choice. Again may I add, no one forced them to go.......it was their choice........of their own free will.
Entertainment is entertainment if it is a play, skit, a concert, a movie, it is all part of the "show", good or bad, take it or leave it.
Can I tell a movie house, what trailers to show....no, can I tell a performer to put their clothes back on when "nudity" is part of the play, can I tell them what "language" to use or what content of the play should be the topic and shown. Again, no.
I wish Babs would use a Rep tactic and throw everyone out who is "disruptive" to the other people. Because the Rep. are acting like spoiled brats who do not get their own way and can not "handle" anyone who does not share their "Bush is the best view". Oh well, get used to it because shortly it will be much different.
100K people are dead based on a lie, deceit, fraud and then you are saying: Shut up and sing, please shout it from the roof tops, get a loud speaker, tell Bush that no it is not the "inernets" nor "the google", everyone knows that Bush is a Bully, that is common knowledge around the world. May I repeat that, common knowledge around the world.......
I just read that a "liberal" showed up at a republican event and "expressed" his views and was" put in a strangle" hold and held to the ground. Oh, last time I checked, political dissent was allowed anywhere in the USA, and even OMG at concerts.
I have yet to see a Liberal kill one person or lead them to their death based on lies. This really ticks people off and Babs is no exception. If I was an American, I would feel deceived, as Bush mislead me and my loved one into war and death. Nothing has nor will be gained by the death of 100K people. Nothing was nor will be gained for the USA in Iraq.
In response to Michelle:
If this "whole" concert was about politics , then I can see your point, if Babs did not sing and only "spoke of Politics" again I see your point.
But she is singing her hits over what the last 40 years. This skit is only a "small" portion of the concert, it is again HER concert, her tour, her label, she has enought clout that she can easily call the shots.
This skit is "entertainment" also, it is a skit, only some people do not like the subject matter, which Babs is known for her strong political views.
Babs could have easily "spoken" politics, because again, it is her show.
So the people who had tickets, who are Rep, who know about this skit, who do not agree with her politics or skit were free to "sell" scalp their tickets, get a lot more money then they paid. No one again forced them to go, it was their choice. Again may I add, no one forced them to go.......it was their choice........of their own free will.
Entertainment is entertainment if it is a play, skit, a concert, a movie, it is all part of the "show", good or bad, take it or leave it.
Can I tell a movie house, what trailers to show....no, can I tell a performer to put their clothes back on when "nudity" is part of the play, can I tell them what "language" to use or what content of the play should be the topic and shown. Again, no.
I wish Babs would use a Rep tactic and throw everyone out who is "disruptive" to the other people. Because the Rep. are acting like spoiled brats who do not get their own way and can not "handle" anyone who does not share their "Bush is the best view". Oh well, get used to it because shortly it will be much different.
You are right you cannot tell them what too do BUT if you did not agree with those things, and knew ahead of time, you could stay home. That is my point. If you are going to talk politics let me know and If I want to see that I will go to a political rally. If not I will still go and listen to some of your music and here about your Political views.CyberLaw said:
But again it is no secret, Michelle.
Also please note that Parody is a skit, so she "injected" parody into her "concert". No one stood up and gave a speech(that is not entertainment) nor did she "give her rant on political views" it was and is entertainment.
Just like I go and see a play. Well during the break, a man gets up and "does a skit" on his political view. That again is part of the show that was planned by the "entertainer". I can see the irony here, the Rep. may feel duped, just like a lot of people felt and feel "duped" into believing WMD in Iraq. That is a "different" kind of irony, but none the less effective.
Make you a deal, you can "express" your feeling about feeling "duped" into attending a concert and the "unflattering portrayal of Bush" and feel 'ripped" off and duped, and I can compare that to the whole world and 100K people dead based on being duped. What do you think will hold more weight........
Bush lying to the entire world, or "Babs" not "informing her concert" ticket holders that they will be subjected to a parody......This concert has not killed anyone yet, and to my knowledge neither has Babs......
Also please note that Parody is a skit, so she "injected" parody into her "concert". No one stood up and gave a speech(that is not entertainment) nor did she "give her rant on political views" it was and is entertainment.
Just like I go and see a play. Well during the break, a man gets up and "does a skit" on his political view. That again is part of the show that was planned by the "entertainer". I can see the irony here, the Rep. may feel duped, just like a lot of people felt and feel "duped" into believing WMD in Iraq. That is a "different" kind of irony, but none the less effective.
Make you a deal, you can "express" your feeling about feeling "duped" into attending a concert and the "unflattering portrayal of Bush" and feel 'ripped" off and duped, and I can compare that to the whole world and 100K people dead based on being duped. What do you think will hold more weight........
Bush lying to the entire world, or "Babs" not "informing her concert" ticket holders that they will be subjected to a parody......This concert has not killed anyone yet, and to my knowledge neither has Babs......
No liberals haven't killed anybody. They wait until our soldiers come home and protest at their funerals.
I know Tom Cruise is a scientolgist. If I go to see Mission Impossible should I be okay with him breaking into the middle of the movie and telling me about scientology; possibly making fun of my religion?
I know Tom Cruise is a scientolgist. If I go to see Mission Impossible should I be okay with him breaking into the middle of the movie and telling me about scientology; possibly making fun of my religion?
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It is my understanding that the ticket holders thought that they were attending a concert where BS would be singing.CyberLaw said:
They weren't aware that she also was going to put on a political skit mocking the President of the United States. Why on earth should they have to "grin and bear" something that they find offensive?
Common sense would tell a person that when purchasing concert tickets you are going to hear a performer sing.
Does anyone know if BS's agenda was published in advance?
Although she has a beautiful singing voice, her act--to include her graciously telling some in the paying audience to 'shut the f*ck up'--would preclude me from ever attending one of her concerts.
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