BC Waived Conflict re: Mark NJ repping TES- what does this mean?

[Chezhire]

I say maybe...lol. I think there'd be an argument for both sides.

I'm sure *someone* can come up with a hypothetical scenario that "might" give the Anthonys standing to complain in THIS criminal lawsuit, but the likelihood of such a hypothetical being the truth in THIS criminal lawsuit is next to 0.

 

[Chezhire]

And I should say, I half expected Cindy in court today screaming at MN and trying to address the Judge again! I was quite surprised BC took the position he did and don't think KC will be at all happy about it.

I expected the same and I agree re: your assessment that Casey might not be too happy about it. Kinda similar to what we were discussing on the motion hearing thread earlier today re: BC standing *with* the SA, etc. BC's comments to Casey re: her parents supporting her were very, er, transparent. But heck, Casey's so full of herself, she might believe him (or come up with a new line of bs to rationalize it :doh: )

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I'm sure *someone* can come up with a hypothetical scenario that "might" give the Anthonys standing to complain in THIS criminal lawsuit, but the likelihood of such a hypothetical being the truth in THIS criminal lawsuit is next to 0.

And even if it was the truth, if it comes down to who you believe between MN & BC or the As, I don't think the As would get very far.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I expected the same and I agree re: your assessment that Casey might not be too happy about it. Kinda similar to what we were discussing on the motion hearing thread earlier today re: BC standing *with* the SA, etc. BC's comments to Casey re: her parents supporting her were very, er, transparent. But heck, Casey's so full of herself, she might believe him (or come up with a new line of bs to rationalize it :doh: )

LOL.

I think Casey probably did believe him...but I suspect JB had a conference with her after and made it clear that he was not happy with BC and she'll believe JB over BC (what a choice!).

I think BC has drawn lines in the sand with JB and this could turn in to all out war between them. I think if this happens, the As will dump him, then maybe turn on him re the waiver! Hopefully they've turned the corner, but I doubt it.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I expected the same and I agree re: your assessment that Casey might not be too happy about it. Kinda similar to what we were discussing on the motion hearing thread earlier today re: BC standing *with* the SA, etc. BC's comments to Casey re: her parents supporting her were very, er, transparent. But heck, Casey's so full of herself, she might believe him (or come up with a new line of bs to rationalize it :doh: )

LOL.

I think Casey probably did believe him...but I suspect JB had a conference with her after and made it clear that he was not happy with BC and she'll believe JB over BC (what a choice!).

I think BC has drawn lines in the sand with JB and this could turn in to all out war between them. I think if this happens, the As will dump him, then maybe turn on him re the waiver! Hopefully they've turned the corner, but I doubt it.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I expected the same and I agree re: your assessment that Casey might not be too happy about it. Kinda similar to what we were discussing on the motion hearing thread earlier today re: BC standing *with* the SA, etc. BC's comments to Casey re: her parents supporting her were very, er, transparent. But heck, Casey's so full of herself, she might believe him (or come up with a new line of bs to rationalize it :doh: )

LOL.

I think Casey probably did believe him...but I suspect JB had a conference with her after and made it clear that he was not happy with BC and she'll believe JB over BC (what a choice!).

I think BC has drawn lines in the sand with JB and this could turn in to all out war between them. I think if this happens, the As will dump him, then maybe turn on him re the waiver! Hopefully they've turned the corner, but I doubt it.

Maybe BC is trying to make JB look bad to Casey and perhaps has hopes of taking over her case himself???

 

[Chezhire]

And even if it was the truth, if it comes down to who you believe between MN & BC or the As, I don't think the As would get very far.

Nope, because as a practical matter, they've not always been, er, all that forthcoming, and as a procedural matter, even if, for example, Cindy and George Anthony knew about the defense's funding - isn't it also true that the ONLY WAY they'd know about this information is if their own daughter, Casey, had waived her own attorney-client privilege and told them or allowed the subject to be discussed between herself and JBaez in front of them? I'm pretty sure we'd all agree there's no such thing as "parent-child privilege." Makes things interesting...

 

[Kreeblim]

I am surprised they signed off on MN representing a party that they disliked so much.

Oh come on now...I've said some pretty aweful things about people while stressed and angry that I later regretted. Everyone has. I don't think I'm abnormal in that there are people who I was totally sure I never wanted to talk to again while angry...that I am still friends with now. And that was just under NORMAL stress, not grandchild-murdered-by-daughter-media-circus-type stress.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Oh come on now...I've said some pretty aweful things about people while stressed and angry that I later regretted. Everyone has. I don't think I'm abnormal in that there are people who I was totally sure I never wanted to talk to again while angry...that I am still friends with now. And that was just under NORMAL stress, not grandchild-murdered-by-daughter-media-circus-type stress.

??? re the bolded part.

People also say things they don't regret. The indications I have that they don't regret it...they have never thanked TM or TES for their hard work, and we all know it was very hard work and cost TES a lot of money. Also, they could be giving their donations and monies from t-shirt and bracelet sales to TES, but they haven't. They continue to collect it for their own "Caylee is Missing" fund and say they will give it to an unnamed charity, like KFN.

But perhaps they have had a change of heart...maybe that's why BC took the position he did today. If so, I wish they'd thank him and give the donations to him...he sure did alot more to search for Caylee than KFN did.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Nope, because as a practical matter, they've not always been, er, all that forthcoming, and as a procedural matter, even if, for example, Cindy and George Anthony knew about the defense's funding - isn't it also true that the ONLY WAY they'd know about this information is if their own daughter, Casey, had waived her own attorney-client privilege and told them or allowed the subject to be discussed between herself and JBaez in front of them? I'm pretty sure we'd all agree there's no such thing as "parent-child privilege." Makes things interesting...

Unless they have some direct involvement in it...perhaps selling pics on her behalf or pics that they own and getting the money to JB??

I wonder what basis MN had for asking that he be assured the money came from legitimate funds? Perhaps just the same media reports and rumours we've heard?

 

[nomoresorrow]

Is this a sign that the Anthonys might begin to cooperate with the prosecution?

The Anthonys we have become accustomed to would have come out swinging, screaming conflict if it would have any affect at all on helping to make things more difficult for the SA.

Instead, they seem to be siding with MNJ and TES rather than the defense by not backing the JB complaint that there is a conflict.

What do you all think?

It doesn't indicate that to me. It reinforces my belief that there are now three opposing forces at hand instead of two. Initially the oppositional forces were SA/The Prosecution and JB/The defense which included his client KC obviously but it was also well alligned with GA, CA, LA. A fracture was just beginning at the time that MN was representing GA & CA. I think MN did everything that he could to get the A's to come clean about any knowledge that they may have had and/or any actions pertaining to obstructing justice but they were convinced that whatever they had or hadn't done, said or didn't say was done to protect KC and therefore KC would never allow JB to throw them under the bus and MN couldn't convince them otherwise. After MN resigned as their attorney the A's began to see by some of JB's actions and/or decisions that he was making in the so-called best interest of KC that he might just throw them under the bus. The two then become three oppositional forces at play so now the first is SA/Prosecution, second is the defense/JB/Defendent:KC and third is the 'A' family; BC/Clients:GA, CA and TL/Client: LA. Of course the third is in danger of fractioning. We'll have to continue watching that play out but if it does fracture there will then be 4 oppositional forces at play. In my opinion BC/The A's waiving the conflict was simply an opportunity that presented itself in which the A's could take a shot at JB, who they do not like and they do not trust, a tit for tat, possibly motivated by JB for not allowing them to have any contact or visits with KC... (if that is the reason)

 

[Dr. Know?]

It doesn't indicate that to me. It reinforces my belief that there are now three opposing forces at hand instead of two. Initially the oppositional forces were SA/The Prosecution and JB/The defense which included his client KC obviously but it was also well alligned with GA, CA, LA. A fracture was just beginning at the time that MN was representing GA & CA. I think MN did everything that he could to get the A's to come clean about any knowledge that they may have had and/or any actions pertaining to obstructing justice but they were convinced that whatever they had or hadn't done, said or didn't say was done to protect KC and therefore KC would never allow JB to throw them under the bus and MN couldn't convince them otherwise. After MN resigned as their attorney the A's began to see by some of JB's actions and/or decisions that he was making in the so-called best interest of KC that he might just throw them under the bus. The two then become three oppositional forces at play so now the first is SA/Prosecution, second is the defense/JB/Defendent:KC and third is the 'A' family; BC/Clients:GA, CA and TL/Client: LA. Of course the third is in danger of fractioning. We'll have to continue watching that play out but if it does fracture there will then be 4 oppositional forces at play. In my opinion BC/The A's waiving the conflict was simply an opportunity that presented itself in which the A's could take a shot at JB, who they do not like and they do not trust, a tit for tat, possibly motivated by JB for not allowing them to have any contact or visits with KC... (if that is the reason)

Thank you.

 

[nomoresorrow]

In rereading my above post I think that I failed to make it clear that although the A's have changed their view on JB and are no longer aligned with him I don't think that this has caused them to side with the prosecution and/or provide any evidence of KC's guilt, rather it is JB/defendent:KC against the prosecution but opposed to BC/clients: GA & CA, TL/client: LA who are against the prosecution also but likewise, opposed to JB(not KC)

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

In rereading my above post I think that I failed to make it clear that although the A's have changed their view on JB and are no longer aligned with him I don't think that this has caused them to side with the prosecution and/or provide any evidence of KC's guilt, rather it is JB/defendent:KC against the prosecution but opposed to BC/clients: GA & CA, TL/client: LA who are against the prosecution also but likewise, opposed to JB(not KC)

I'm starting to wonder if BC is hoping that he will take over Casey's case from JB with the family's blessing? He may have had his eyes on that "prize" for a while.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

It doesn't indicate that to me. It reinforces my belief that there are now three opposing forces at hand instead of two. Initially the oppositional forces were SA/The Prosecution and JB/The defense which included his client KC obviously but it was also well alligned with GA, CA, LA. A fracture was just beginning at the time that MN was representing GA & CA. I think MN did everything that he could to get the A's to come clean about any knowledge that they may have had and/or any actions pertaining to obstructing justice but they were convinced that whatever they had or hadn't done, said or didn't say was done to protect KC and therefore KC would never allow JB to throw them under the bus and MN couldn't convince them otherwise. After MN resigned as their attorney the A's began to see by some of JB's actions and/or decisions that he was making in the so-called best interest of KC that he might just throw them under the bus. The two then become three oppositional forces at play so now the first is SA/Prosecution, second is the defense/JB/Defendent:KC and third is the 'A' family; BC/Clients:GA, CA and TL/Client: LA. Of course the third is in danger of fractioning. We'll have to continue watching that play out but if it does fracture there will then be 4 oppositional forces at play. In my opinion BC/The A's waiving the conflict was simply an opportunity that presented itself in which the A's could take a shot at JB, who they do not like and they do not trust, a tit for tat, possibly motivated by JB for not allowing them to have any contact or visits with KC... (if that is the reason)

I may be slow in picking up on this,and my comment may be something you all already know, so don't laugh at me. What you are saying reminds me in some way of LA and KC's coded jail conversation when LA was talking about JB's priority and his loyalities, first being to KC,then Caylee, and so on. Could their coded converation have been related somehow to these now fractures? Could LA have forseen the fractures were going to happen, and was trying to get this message across to KC? Maybe I'm just sleepy and need to go to bed! LOL

 

[nomoresorrow]

I'm starting to wonder if BC is hoping that he will take over Casey's case from JB with the family's blessing? He may have had his eyes on that "prize" for a while.

Hmmm...interesting, I hadn't thought of that possibility. The fact of the matter is though that regardless who represents KC, whether it's JB, BC or joe blow, a defense attorney's #1 interest is their client, not the client's mother, father or brother. I think the A's better wake up to that fact and if there is anything that could be brought out and used against them - if they did lie for and/or aid KC in any way, they should have realized by doing so that it would/could put them in a percarious situation and I think that's the situation that they have found themselves in. From all that we know thus far in this case, KC is going down, she won't be walking away and I truly don't think that she cares who she takes down with her, even the very ones who may have committed a crime in order to protect and/or cover up for her! The A's may just wish that BC was representing KC but ultimately it wouldn't be any different because he would put KC's interests first as well. Rather then living with the anxiety and worry if KC is going to hang them out to dry, they should just run their a$$'s to the prosecution and admit to lying or aiding in anyway, tell them that I believed at that time that she was innocent, admit that I was wrong and a fool and testify for them.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I may be slow in picking up on this,and my comment may be something you all already know, so don't laugh at me. What you are saying reminds me in some way of LA and KC's coded jail conversation when LA was talking about JB's priority and his loyalities, first being to KC,then Caylee, and so on. Could their coded converation have been related somehow to these now fractures? Could LA have forseen the fractures were going to happen, and was trying to get this message across to KC? Maybe I'm just sleepy and need to go to bed! LOL

I don't laugh at anyone, well only when they're really TRYING to be funny on purpose! lol
I think that LA may have foreseen that, in one of his visits when he is directing KC how to go about writing a letter(s) and bystepping anyone reading them, including JB. Thats what happens in situations where a family member(s), etc...get involved by lying, destroying evidence, etc,...in order to "help" or "protect" their loved one - the "loved one" ultimately turns on them and throws them under the bus.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I agree that KC will turn on anyone to save her own neck, and JB will do what it takes to do that. I also feel that if they can pass this on to a family member, LA, GA, and CA all three had access to the house (the blanket), the computer (searches) and KC's trunk. If they get no where with the paternity issue and JG, the A family better watch out, the bus is on it's way toward them.

 

[OneLostGrl]

??? re the bolded part.

People also say things they don't regret. The indications I have that they don't regret it...they have never thanked TM or TES for their hard work, and we all know it was very hard work and cost TES a lot of money. Also, they could be giving their donations and monies from t-shirt and bracelet sales to TES, but they haven't. They continue to collect it for their own "Caylee is Missing" fund and say they will give it to an unnamed charity, like KFN.

But perhaps they have had a change of heart...maybe that's why BC took the position he did today. If so, I wish they'd thank him and give the donations to him...he sure did alot more to search for Caylee than KFN did.

I'm confused because I thought they "made peace" some time ago while MN was still the Anthony's attorney.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I'm confused because I thought they "made peace" some time ago while MN was still the Anthony's attorney.

Thats what I thought too.