BELIZE - Alison MacKenzie, 43, tourist, from AZ, Rendezvous Caye, 18 Jan 2020

[katsrfun]

It can be linked! Thanks for sharing! I had heard this video- which is imbedded in the story- a few days ago and find it extremely odd! http://www.7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=51852

Thank you a lot for the info. I wasn't sure and didn't want to run afoul of the administrators!! It is very interesting, is it not. Very, very curious. MOO. Katt

 

[katsrfun]

According to weather reports the evening of the 17th there were gusty winds and turbulent waves so the buried the sand theory is a possibility but don't think it would have been a good night for a stroll.



I lived in Mexico for 2 years '96-98 for a study abroad program (undergrad) in Queretaro (100 miles north of Mex City) & there was also a graduate program there in Mexico City I planned on doing as well. The year before I was supposed to go 2000, like 10 students in the program were kidnapped coming out of a disco club getting into taxis. 2 taxis kidnapped them and made them withdraw from ATMs then drove them around for hours then let them go! Program was cancelled that following year and moved to Queretaro. it's gotten far far worse since then. I travelled with program to places you'd be lucky to make it out alive!

MOO, but you can't bury someone in the sand on an island that is at sea level. It will fill up with water quickly and moreso if the water is turbulent. The sand and water will overtake the hole you are trying to dig very, very quickly. MOO. Katt

 

[BeachSky]

It can be linked! Thanks for sharing! I had heard this video- which is imbedded in the story- a few days ago and find it extremely odd! http://www.7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=51852

I sure hope the boyfriend does not tell the ....sharks are going to eat the living $%^#& out of you ....story to her family.

MOO

 

[musicaljoke]

MOO, but you can't bury someone in the sand on an island that is at sea level. It will fill up with water quickly and moreso if the water is turbulent. The sand and water will overtake the hole you are trying to dig very, very quickly. MOO. Katt

Awh, but you can, unless you dig down 6" and find rock instead of sand. If it's sand, then digging down to where the water starts seeping into your hole does not prevent you from continuing to remove the sand. You can did quite a nice well, bury a body and fill it back in with sand.

 

[LarryLujack]

Awh, but you can, unless you dig down 6" and find rock instead of sand. If it's sand, then digging down to where the water starts seeping into your hole does not prevent you from continuing to remove the sand. You can did quite a nice well, bury a body and fill it back in with sand.

I would give the buried on the island theory a .000001% chance of reality. MOO.

 

[susiQ]

I sure hope the boyfriend does not tell the ....sharks are going to eat the living $%^#& out of you ....story to her family.

MOO

Wow, that was one weird convo If nothing else it has convinced me the bf is not at all involved. You can't possibly commit a murder and get away with it in that condition.

I'm ditching any theory I may have had and am considering that something went horribly wrong for AM. If others on the island witnessed "erratic" behaviour, is it possible she developed some kind of psychosis?

Google Search:
Early warning signs before psychosis

• A worrisome drop in grades or job performance.
• Trouble thinking clearly or concentrating.
• Suspiciousness or uneasiness with others.
• A decline in self-care or personal hygiene.
• Spending a lot more time alone than usual.
• Strong, inappropriate emotions or having no feelings at all.

"Symptoms of a psychotic episode:

Usually you'll notice all of the above plus: Hallucinations: Auditory hallucinations: Hearing voices when no one is around. Tactile hallucinations: Strange sensations or feelings you can't explain."

As inebriated as the bf is, I fear he's right. She may never be found if she fell off the wall

 

[Wowno17]

I took the woman is loco quote as her not being stable and has had previous instances of instability.

I took the woman is loco to mean that's what the captain said to him.

The word loco makes me think that, I'm thinking the captain said she was digging in the sand and was loco (IMOO)

Maybe someone was digging in the sand, possibly hiding drugs and she saw that and was silenced.

I don't actually think this is the case just throwing it out there. Didn't the boyfriend suggest at the beginning that she'd gone in the sea?

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I took the woman is loco to mean that's what the captain said to him.

The word loco makes me think that, I'm thinking the captain said she was digging in the sand and was loco (IMOO)

Maybe someone was digging in the sand, possibly hiding drugs and she saw that and was silenced.

I don't actually think this is the case just throwing it out there. Didn't the boyfriend suggest at the beginning that she'd gone in the sea?

Yes, he was the first to suggest that, i believe.

 

[BeachSky]

Bottom line, a woman who is a hot mess should not leave (her abode) in the middle of the night by herself. Not going to end well IMO. Because there were no reported (ear witnessed)sounds & I believe the captain (why would he put himself in the mix if criminally involved). My guess is she walked near or got in to the water, passed out or fell...currents took her. Sad.

MOO

 

[Beth11311]

I’m so glad that video can be discussed now, I had found it earlier on, and while I don’t think it provides much at all in the way of evidence, it’s certainly worth discussing.

Dude is a mess! Super drunk, IMO, slurring his words etc. what he said makes sense though, she is in the water, the currents took her. If he drinks normally like he was in the video, he may not have heard anything - too passed out.

The one thing that did strike me was the part about the sharks - not a whole lot of sadness/concern that I could get about his poor missing girlfriend having sharks eating the fv$! out of her, but to each their own...

 

[feelinghip]

I think pretty much the family has come to terms with the fact that she is in the water and she is gone forever.

 

[Dewachenpo]

Sooo...this popped up and like many others...I’m scratching my head:

Missing since the 17th but there’s a check in for the 19th for a different Caye?

I haven't seen that information published. What was the source of that? i.e. that there was a check in on a different caye on the 19th?

 

[MJPeony]

I haven't seen that information published. What was the source of that? i.e. that there was a check in on a different caye on the 19th?

A poster was able to figure out it was a “tag” from someone else- not AM.

 

[LadyL]

I have not been to this island but have spent a fair amount of time on the island the tour leaves from, Caye Caulker, and have done snorkeling trips in the area, so I've been following this case.

Shark/gator attack or rogue wave - highly unlikely. The sharks in the area are non aggressive and attacks are incredibly rare. The island is 20 miles offshore and doesn't appear to have much vegetation or habitat for gators. Belize beaches do not really have waves as they break at the barrier reef.

However, there are plenty of other dangers in the water. For one, the Belize cayes are full of coral which is incredibly sharp - it's easy to cut yourself and lose enough blood to get weak and disoriented, which could lead to a bad outcome even in shallow water. And this island is very close to the barrier reef which is surrounded by very strong currents. I'm a strong swimmer and thought it was going to slam me into the reef a few times while snorkeling. It's very common for ocean-inexperienced people to not realize how close to shore the dangerous currents start and assume they are safe because the water was so calm a few steps back. Once caught in a current, you can get slammed against a reef, disoriented in the dark, exhaust yourself trying to fight it so you can't tread water to wait for help. Honestly, it would be very easy to die in the water even if she wasn't intoxicated.

I know the family said she doesn't swim, but she was going through a lot and maybe she decided to face her fears - especially if she was under the influence of alcohol, a manic episode, prescription drugs, or whatever else caused the erratic behavior. (Bipolar disorder wouldn't onset at her age, but it's not unheard of for people with Bipolar II to go undiagnosed, and a manic or hypomanic episode would make her far more likely to take all kinds of risks like swimming and drinking.) Or maybe she had been getting over her water fears already, since she had been in Belize for a month? Her instagram had a picture of a waterslide into the ocean.

I don't think it's suspicious that a guard would be telling people not to walk around at night. There are many ways that drunk people walking around in the dark surrounded by water could hurt themselves and they don't want to get sued or have to interrupt the trip to take someone to the hospital. I don't see this as evidence of anything more nefarious. I also just don't think that randomly witnessing a drug exchange makes sense - there are plenty of uninhabited islands with more vegetation cover for them to meet on, and it's unlikely that she would be able to accurately describe anyone she saw in the dark, so killing her and drawing American attention would be riskier than letting her go.

I feel like a water accident is the Occam's Razor explanation. Even with the fear of water, an intoxicated woman going for a swim at night is far less far-fetched than what a lot of the other theories require. But if foul play was involved, the two most plausible scenarios I can think of are targeted killing (related to her boyfriend's business dealings in the area, or any other things they had gotten involved in), or she got into a physically vulnerable position with another person where they were able to kill her without her having a chance to make much noise (consensual sexual encounter, going for a swim together). Maybe an affair with another passenger who feared she would tell his partner? (Again, it's pretty far fetched compared to accidental drowning imo, and I'm not aware of any evidence they were involved in sketchy things or she was cheating.)

great first post!
welcome to WS!

 

[LadyL]

I have a hard time believing she was afraid of the water. So many pictures and videos of her in/on the water in her social media. A lot of trips to places on the water, etc.

MOO

I'm afraid of the water because I can't swim but am also strangely drawn to it. I always want to spend time at the beach in the summer and post pictures. I can believe she was afraid of it and liked it at the same time.

 

[Reachingfornettles]

The boyfriend seems to know what he would do to her if the other occupants would have told him of her behavior. JMO not guilty just intoxicated. NOBODY knows what is in the water at night in the ocean near a trench that is thousands of feet deep off shore of Belize and the earthquakes have been big down there. Still the fact of intoxication by many would account for the most part and that some people have never learned empathy in the world.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

bumping for Alison

 

[diggndeeperstill]

This is one case that still bothers me. I searched for updates today. No body found yet. I do see a Nancy Grace article/story I’ll link from April.

Nancy Grace on troubled investigation of American woman missing in Belize: 'Is it Natalee Holloway all over again?'
"I've been studying the case very carefully," said Grace on Fox Nation's "Crime Stories." "And so far, I alone -- at thousands of miles distance -- have come up with three different stories that people have told about what happened to this Arizona mom, Alison MacKenzie."
.....

Morgan argued that it is common for investigators in this part of the world to bungle homicide investigations.

"This is one of the problems that we hear over and over and over again," he concluded. "I reflect back to Natalee Holloway... many times they fall greatly short relative to crime scene processing, the processing of forensic evidence... if you don't get to this point in the early stages of the investigation, the whole thing is blown."

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Here is Nancy Grace podcast on Alison Mackenzie. I haven’t listened yet. ‘Natalee Holloway all over again?’ Nancy Grace looks at disappearance of Arizona mom Alison MacKenzie in Belize

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Just adding some articles that had come out since the last posts.
Report: A Prescott Woman Is Still Missing In Belize And May Have Drowned - KAFF News

The FBI has told the family that they still haven’t found Alison’s body and they believe she may have drowned.