GUILTY Belize - Superintendent Henry Jemmott, shot/body in sea, San Pedro Town, 28 May 2021 *arrest*

[10ofRods]

I trust the BBC more than the Daily Mail, so I'm going with...he was still on the pier, no need to have her roll him into the water (and the blood marks show no evidence of such an action).

Partner of Tory peer's son held over Belize death

Also, all reports that she was the daughter-in-law of the Lord are in error, nor was she the wife of anyone.

She was the partner of the Lord's son, and had two children with him.

 

[Seni]

Belize gripped by arrest of Ashcroft son’s partner over officer’s death

 

[Tortoise]

I trust the BBC more than the Daily Mail, so I'm going with...he was still on the pier, no need to have her roll him into the water (and the blood marks show no evidence of such an action).

Partner of Tory peer's son held over Belize death

Also, all reports that she was the daughter-in-law of the Lord are in error, nor was she the wife of anyone.

She was the partner of the Lord's son, and had two children with him.

Admittedly the article says the body "was found on a pier" but further down it also says he was "found in the water".

Also the blood marks do trail to the edge of the pier.

 

[Satchie]

I'm very reluctant to view this murder as a race issue. We have two people who were friends. They were up late, drinking, sitting on the dock, and something went wrong with the gun where one ended up dead. Personally, I've hit my limit on viewing everything in the world through the skin tone lens.

For the Belizians on social media that I was referring to, the issue is not why he was killed, but whether there will be justice in how the system operates after a crime is committed.

ETA: I also believe that crimes are primarily important to the people directly involved and the jurisdiction where they occurred. Outsiders have their opinions but they really don't count.

 

[10ofRods]

Admittedly the article says the body "was found on a pier" but further down it also says he was "found in the water".

Also the blood marks do trail to the edge of the pier.

You are absolutely right. At first I thought I was reading a different BBC article. But the same BBC article has it both ways. The video of the body removal shows them moving an already bagged body onto the dock (I think).

So I take back trusting the BBC and deem it about as accurate as the DailyMail.

Sheesh.

So is the photo in the Daily Mail not the crime scene photo for this crime?

What I see is the big bleed from the gunshot to the head with some trickle down the dock that gets smeared - but I don't see that smear angling toward the water or ending at the end of the dock (which had loose boards - surely she had to roll him off?)

 

[10ofRods]

It's not even much of an Island, other than it's connected to the mainland through Mexico.

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The family Hotel top of the line, the body location on the beach at the bottom of the line.

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Yeah, it's not an island. And Belize has a very high homicide rate. 7th highest in the world.

Murder Rate By Country 2021

 

[10ofRods]

Admittedly the article says the body "was found on a pier" but further down it also says he was "found in the water".

Also the blood marks do trail to the edge of the pier.

I found a better picture (and there are definitely retouched pictures floating around on the web). You are right.

And the gap in the drag stains could indicate that he was dragged and rolled off the pier. Yet, papers say that people heard the shot and came running. They surely must have seen something?

Or she was really strong and quick. For someone who accidently shoots a friend, to whom she was giving a friendly massage, that's a really strange first response.

 

[Tortoise]

You are absolutely right. At first I thought I was reading a different BBC article. But the same BBC article has it both ways. The video of the body removal shows them moving an already bagged body onto the dock (I think).

So I take back trusting the BBC and deem it about as accurate as the DailyMail.

Sheesh.

So is the photo in the Daily Mail not the crime scene photo for this crime?

What I see is the big bleed from the gunshot to the head with some trickle down the dock that gets smeared - but I don't see that smear angling toward the water or ending at the end of the dock (which had loose boards - surely she had to roll him off?)

photo in this article

Pictured: The bloodied pier where Belize cop was shot dead | Daily Mail Online

The blood stain looks like it angles towards the edge to me.

My guess from looking at the photo and his final location in the water is that he was lying on the pier for that large pool to develop, and that he wouldn't have ended up in the water unless he was physically moved, by one rolling motion over the edge. That would mean his head would have done one rotation with the bleeding side not always in contact with the pier to leave a complete trail.

MOO

 

[azure]

The only thing I'm sure of in this case is whether she gets off tomorrow or spends life in prison, we will never know what the heck happened that night.

 

[stmarysmead]

The only thing I'm sure of in this case is whether she gets off tomorrow or spends life in prison, we will never know what the heck happened that night.

Amen to that!

 

[otto]

I'm curious whether one reason that the Ashcroft family has clarified that the suspect is a "girlfriend" is because they do not want to be named in a wrongful death lawsuit.

 

[stmarysmead]

The article about common law marriages in Belize was very interesting. Apparently, one of the biggest hurdles to legal claims...is did you live together. Having children, a sexual relationship is not the determining factor. This woman supposedly spent nights out often...partying till 6am. I wonder if she actually lived together with her children’s father?

 

[Seni]

Intersting that there has been no statement from her BF/SO/Husband or other family members .

Altho they have publicly claimed that she is not the wife of Ashcroft's son (which I find a very pointless and rather hurtful statement to issue). She is after all the mother of 2 kids, which is not disputed, she is also the business partner.

But she does have the top attorney representing her, Ashcroft's man and he will cost huge money.

There have been no reports that the Canadian Embassy is providing her with advice although surely they are. They have various representations in Central America. Not directly in Belize, but one of their many Mexican offices would cover this country.

IMO.

 

[Seni]

Covid sure didn’t hurt the drug trade.
State records show that legal marijuana sales in California increased 90% last March after Covid hit, I suspect black market drug sales also increased, globally, as people isolated. Black market sales are bigger than legal sales, even for CA pot, a lot of people like to avoid paying the state taxes that drive up the retail prices. Black market figures are all guesswork.

“Cannabis sales spiked 90% on March 16 over the average daily sales when consumers stocked up as shelter-in-place orders went into effect. That strong interest carried through with a 60% increase on April 20 and a 29% increase on June 26, she said. The industry also saw an increase in consumers using retail apps to make their purchases.”
Analyst: California cannabis market isn’t slowed by COVID, should hit $6 billion by 2025

OK. Maybe relevant to point out that Belize is not a producer country.

It relies on air and sea transportation routes of drugs from Colombia, Peru etc to the US.

This happens on big and small scales.

Jetty at 3 A.M in the morning seems a dodgy place to me in any case.

 

[Seni]

So you disagree that there's a safety built into the trigger of that particular gun?

Using your post to comment that, as far as we know, no fingerprints have been identified or published as regards the gun.

Think it is important to establish that.

Also with the account of a boat passing by, sometimes there are half truths concealing what really happened.

Am still a bit stuck on the drug charge being more important that the manslaughter with negligence.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

So you disagree that there's a safety built into the trigger of that particular gun?

Can’t tell you bc I have not researched that gun and it’s safety mechanisms.

 

[Seni]

I'm curious whether one reason that the Ashcroft family has clarified that the suspect is a "girlfriend" is because they do not want to be named in a wrongful death lawsuit.

I think you could be right Otto. In some of the previously published articles, which we can refer to, there is also mention of Lord Ashford being owner of a major bank in Belize, which was facing at least 80 alleged cases of money laundering. These cases were dismissed in the interest of the country not entering into bankrupcy IIRC. Basically, he owns the country.

His son plus partner launched a huge hotel enterprise, they were caught in the middle of Covid. Probably made huge losses.

The more money you have, the more you stand to lose.

 

[monkey222]

I can't recall case where husband/boyfriend has not yapped anything......

 

[otto]

The article about common law marriages in Belize was very interesting. Apparently, one of the biggest hurdles to legal claims...is did you live together. Having children, a sexual relationship is not the determining factor. This woman supposedly spent nights out often...partying till 6am. I wonder if she actually lived together with her children’s father?

Two children under the age of 5 do not prove a 5 year common law marriage. The only reason this would be a discussion point is in the context of whether it can be proven that the suspect's common-law extraordinarily-rich family can be implicated in the accidental death on the dock.

There's no reason to question whether the father, mother, and their children were a family unit. If the oldest child is younger than 5 years and 9 months, and Belize law requires 5 year proof of living together by virtue of a child, then the Ashcroft wealth should be out of reach.

It's about how much money can be accessed now that the man with marital and work issues is accidentally dead next to a woman with connections to British wealth?

 

[swedeheart]

TOM LEONARD: New details about the socialite and her police chief drinking buddy | Daily Mail Online

(Some interesting details in this new article.)

'That's the big irony: a single blonde appears to have been able to kill him when no criminal gang in Belize would have dared try it on with 'Big Hog' Henry,' his best friend, chef Sean Kuylen, tells the Mail, using one of Mr Jemmott's many size-related nicknames.

'Nobody on the streets would have touched him — he commanded respect.'

>snip<

It's hardly surprising that the superintendent was off duty and still carrying his firearm, however.

With Mexico and Guatemala on one side and the Caribbean on the other, Belize is one of the region's major 'wet drop' locations, where drug traffickers drop cocaine shipments into the sea from boats or planes so they can be picked up surreptitiously by local vessels.

'There's so much cocaine around that if you walk on the beach, you'll probably find some washed up,' says Jamal Nasser, the Lebanese-born owner of a San Pedro golfcart rental company.