Beyond a Reasonable Doubt

[capps]

:blowkiss: LOL :blowkiss:

I'm not, I swear! I gots Diet Pepsi! No vino...

I quoted MH, asked a question, posted it, and it stayed on page 2, even though there was already a link for page 3. And when I click linky for page 3, it went to top of page 2.

HONEST

PotatoHead,you're not going crazy this just happened to me too,and it's only this thread. I clicked on pg 4,and it just keeps bringing me back to pg 3.This happened to me a week or so ago,in another thread.From what I remember it looked okay to the mod who checked it,and after a while it correctd itself. Who knows?:waitasec:

 

[MiraclesHappen]

PotatoHead,you're not going crazy this just happened to me too,and it's only this thread. I clicked on pg 4,and it just keeps bringing me back to pg 3.This happened to me a week or so ago,in another thread.From what I remember it looked okay to the mod who checked it,and after a while it correctd itself. Who knows?:waitasec:

THANK GOD I SAW THIS POST!:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[TraceyLeigh]

IMO, any reasonable person will conclude that Casey did it, especially after all of the evidence is presented, by a very thorough prosecution. What do you say?

Without having read any of the posts on this thread yet, I totally agree that a "reasonable person" will conclude that Casey is guilty "beyond any shadow of a reasonable doubt". Period. End of Story.

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

However, is it 'reasonable' to conclude that a "nanny" that doesn't actually exist took Caylee and that Casey was "following a script for 30 days" which included partying and not telling anyone VERSUS a scenario that shows Caylee was dead/decomposing was in the trunk of a car her mother was driving around, dumped near the house?

Just because someone presents 2 scenarios doesn't mean a jury has to give them equal weight. In this example one is reasonable and the other is pure fantasy with no evidence to support it.

But I couldn't figure out which one you thought was reasonable, and which was fantasy.

Casey, who worked in organized crime blames a nanny who disappeared, and says she was following a script that some powerful people gave her, while she continued to do her job. But who were those powerful people? Oh yeah, she worked in organized crime as a party girl in the Orlando area. She worked in organized crime but they have lots of ties to the legitmate entertainment business, such as DisneyWorld: those powerful people.

That is a spy thriller. It makes a great story.

Or, she drives around with a decomposing body in her trunk and then dumps it in her own neighborhood on top of the ground. I'm not going to put that in my spy thriller. No one would believe it

 

[TxLady2]

This is Florida. We have a large population of retired grandma's and grandpa's who, thankfully, still believe in the decency of excellent moral conduct. More than a few of these good people will be placed as jury members.
Casey's lifestyle of moral turpitude will weigh heavily against her as well as the evidence collected.
Have no fear, the good citizens of Florida will make sure that this wreck of a human being will no longer dwell within the greater community.
We don't tolerate child killer's. Period.

Morality should not play any part in whether she deliberately killed her child. The jury should base their decision on evidence relating to murder... not on how many guys she slept with or how many nights a week she partied. Many young women her age are "loose" morally, and not all of them kill their kids, but there are some who have left them in a hot car all night, or left them by themselves at home while they went out partying, the house caught fire or something of that nature, and the kids wound up dead. Now, maybe their immorality played a part in the kids' deaths... but you cannot say she is 100% guilty just because she was immoral. Not all immoral people are murderers.

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

Thank you, that is the heart of the matter.

I believe there are people who sincerely in their heart feel they should have the power to save children from mothers like Casey. This entire thing may be about convicting Casey based on her lifestyle.

The Anthony's spokesman, Brad Conway said, "One little angel has died, but she will save thousands of little angels."

Wait a minute. First of all, how has Caylee's death helped anyone?

The most extreme conspiracy theorist would say a secret group is using Caylee's death to make laws to take children away from mothers like Casey, based purely on their lifestyle and attitude; so, if you aren't Ward and June Cleaver you don't deserve to keep your children. That's an extreme conspiracy theory that we could apply to this case.

Lo and behold, Casey's own lawyer expressed that exact, what should be a wacko conspiracy concept when he said, "One little angel's death will save thousands of little angels."

Whoa! Is he working for Casey, or is he working for a lunatic fringe conspiracy group? All I know is, first chance he got on TV he expressed their philosophy, if there is a them.

 

[magnolia]

I have to see all the evidence presented first I am keeping an open mind til the end so I can base my decision 100% on the trial.
ok maybe it's not 100% open :innocent: but I am going to try.

I'm with you JB. I have to see all the evidence presented at trial before I form my opinion on the premeditation.

I think how she is charged is going to be a critical element in this case as well.

I totally agree.

After following this case for 5 months, based on everything I've heard or read, I feel Caylee died while in her mother's care. The only question remaining in my mind is if it was premeditated or accidental (which was followed by a panicked cover up); and with that I sway back and forth.

I have no doubt whatsoever, Caylee died while in her Mother's care. Like you, I am on the fence about the premeditation.

 

[JWG]

I believe the evidence we have seen thus far strongly supports whatever charges might come due to Casey for hiding a body in her trunk, improperly disposing of it, and then lying to LE about it.

But I do not believe the evidence we have seen thus far proves beyond a reasonable doubt that she murdered Caylee, premeditated or not. I think it is more supportive of an accident occurring.

I am comforted by the fact LE has far more evidence than we have seen which may indeed prove homicide. I have long believed that the documents released to date were done so to enrage the public enough to force GA and CA into cooperation without tipping their hand as to what inculpatory evidence they really had.

 

[jujube]

I believe the evidence we have seen thus far strongly supports whatever charges might come due to Casey for hiding a body in her trunk, improperly disposing of it, and then lying to LE about it.

But I do not believe the evidence we have seen thus far proves beyond a reasonable doubt that she murdered Caylee, premeditated or not. I think it is more supportive of an accident occurring.

I am comforted by the fact LE has far more evidence than we have seen which may indeed prove homicide. I have long believed that the documents released to date were done so to enrage the public enough to force GA and CA into cooperation without tipping their hand as to what inculpatory evidence they really had.

I agree. Hopefully, the DA is not depending on what we've heard to get a conviction. It looks like KC is a woman who is ugly to her parents, lies, steals, and sleeps around who didn't call the police when her child disappeared but none of these makes her a murderess.