Big city Law Enforcement VS Satsuma

[Helplessly Hoping]

I believe that amongst the local LE (PCSO) that there are some with greater and lesser abilities but I DO NOT believe that the FDLE and FBI would look the other way---I just don't. I do wish, though, that I understood what the hell-0 was taking so long. Can all three agencies REALLY be stymied? :waitasec: That's what drives me :crazy: But as I've been told that is a short trip

 

[dodie20]

one of the things that bothers me, is how LE has seemed so reluctant to look at Ron as a suspect. Many reputable people have come forward & said that they don't believe Ron is involved. How could they know this? How could they say this & NOT share some of their reasons why? If they have information, pointing at Misty, or whoever, share it. They don't have to give us details, but just say, 'Misty should be a suspect'. nobody's doing that either. I get the feeling that these media people, who support Ron, are going on nothing more than, police leaks that say, 'Ron is not involved'. & that makes me worry. I'm worried that LE made an assumption, (based on rumors & what they knew of Misty & her family), & decided that had to be the answer. & now, (because of lost time, overlooked evidence, & egos), refuse to look elsewhere. In the beginning, this was treated as a kidnapping, with everone hopeful that Haleigh would soon be home...when that didn't pan out, maybe irretrievable evidence, was gone. I feel like the Croslins then became the next easiest answer, with LE loath to admit early tunnel vision.

 

[SoSueMe]

And just why isn't Misty called a suspect? Oh yeah, she's the "key." Well, the key has lied at every turn, yet she is only the key and not a person of interest or a suspect.

As to RC, why talk in cryptic language, like "We are satisfied with the hours he worked." What the heck does that statement mean? Are they the hours he told you he worked or would that be the documented hours from PDM?

Can anyone shoot straight in this case?

 

[Flow]

How do we know what LE is doing behind the scenes? Is there a link that can justify opinions that they aren't doing their job?

Recently I watched a show on 20/20 or one of those kinds of programs where LE worked tirelessly for well over a year before they made an arrest in a case. During that time, they didn't show their hand at all.

Dateline NBC had several cases like that on their show last night. It was very interesting IMO. I think they have an investigative news team they put together to look at cold cases. I'm not sure if it will be a recurring part of the show.

 

[Flow]

Kim, I guess I would answer your question by pointing out that we were told months ago that an arrest was imminent, that the case was no longer considered a missing person case, but was now a homicide, and Crystal was told to make plans for a funeral. (not sure where this was stated, so I don't have the link) There is no body, no arrests have been made and they are no closer to solving this case than they were almost a year and a half ago. Their actions may not be criminal, but they sure come across as being inept. I wish I thought they had a hand to show, but I don't. The only thing I think they are right about is that Misty is the key. Not the "one" but the key. If this isn't enough to justify my opinion that LE isn't doing their job, then you can close this thread. I just think they have too many inconsistent statements from TN, AS, RC and MC, and they haven't put any pressure on them to explain it.

Did law enforcement say that there was an arrest [or arrests] imminent?

I recall several private investigators saying that but I can't remember LE saying it.
tia

 

[grandmaj]

You are free to discuss your questions about the department but please, just like in other threads we don't bash...... so keep your discussion full of links or..... :cow: :cow: and try to remember to be discontent or question is fine, but no bashing... And this doesn't relate to anyone or any one post....... just a gentle reminder.......

:blowkiss:

 

[dodie20]

LE may have a grand plan, but I doubt very seriously, they've been playing mind games, to make the perp think he's in the clear, in order to trick him into slipping up. (all the while making him & the public think they suspect someone else). I have never heard of any LE doing that. & their is noone involved in this case who is smart enough, or clever enough, to justify that kind of caution. So, I don't really know what to think of LE.

 

[Flow]

You are free to discuss your questions about the department but please, just like in other threads we don't bash...... so keep your discussion full of links or..... :cow: :cow: and try to remember to be discontent or question is fine, but no bashing... And this doesn't relate to anyone or any one post....... just a gentle reminder.......

:blowkiss:

Thank you for the last part. I wondered if it was my post. :innocent:

 

[Maryann123]

Did law enforcement say that there was an arrest [or arrests] imminent?

I recall several private investigators saying that but I can't remember LE saying it.
tia

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/14/search_for_haleigh_intensifies_misty_on_the_scene.html

SATSUMA -- The search is on for Haleigh Cummings. Misty Croslin was taken to the search scene in handcuffs Wednesday afternoon.

Croslin was seen talking to Putnam County authorities on the dock of the St. Johns River.

Authorities are now calling the area a crime scene.

A source close to the case told News 13 an arrest in the Cummings’ case is imminent.



http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/15/haleigh.cummings.search/index.html

Hardy said the searched was prompted by "leads" developed when people he would not identify began cooperating with investigators.

"People are starting to talk," he said. "We're hoping to make an arrest in this case," he said.

 

[Maryann123]

LE may have a grand plan, but I doubt very seriously, they've been playing mind games, to make the perp think he's in the clear, in order to trick him into slipping up. (all the while making him & the public think they suspect someone else). I have never heard of any LE doing that. & their is noone involved in this case who is smart enough, or clever enough, to justify that kind of caution. So, I don't really know what to think of LE.

Wow Dodie, I use to think the same thing. I told myself I'd never heard of anyone doing it that way, but maybe it would work. Now, I've come to the conclusion that they are not looking at the same peeps as me. I have to keep telling myself that a lot of people think Misty and Ronald are innocent, so maybe I'm wrong on what I think. The only problem I have with the way LE seems to be leaning, is that the evidence doesn't point to anyone but the same 2, 4 or 6 people. If Ronald Cummings has a habit of making 90 phone calls every night, then maybe that's not suspicious behavior. If the 911 call is a normal 911 call, then that's not suspicious behavior. If marrying the girl that let your daughter get "stole" is normal, then I guess I just don't know what suspicious behavior really is. They are the experts, and I'm not. But, sometimes your common sense can take you a lot further.

 

[SoSueMe]

Wow Dodie, I use to think the same thing. I told myself I'd never heard of anyone doing it that way, but maybe it would work. Now, I've come to the conclusion that they are not looking at the same peeps as me. I have to keep telling myself that a lot of people think Misty and Ronald are innocent, so maybe I'm wrong on what I think. The only problem I have with the way LE seems to be leaning, is that the evidence doesn't point to anyone but the same 2, 4 or 6 people. If Ronald Cummings has a habit of making 90 phone calls every night, then maybe that's not suspicious behavior. If the 911 call is a normal 911 call, then that's not suspicious behavior. If marrying the girl that let your daughter get "stole" is normal, then I guess I just don't know what suspicious behavior really is. They are the experts, and I'm not. But, sometimes your common sense can take you a lot further.

It's all suspicious behavior MaryAnn, but I'm just not sure they are looking at RC. The only reason I would think they are looking at him is because of the drug busts. Although they say it had nothing to do with the Haleigh case, yeah, okay, I choose to believe they do. But other than that, IMO, they don't seem to be looking at him. For one thing, if they thought RC had anything to do with it, why would they chance leaving his other child in his care? At the very least they could have cast some suspicion on him to better enable Chrystal to obtain custody (if they thought Junior was in danger).

I just don't know what to think anymore.

 

[Missingmeds]

It's all suspicious behavior MaryAnn, but I'm just not sure they are looking at RC. The only reason I would think they are looking at him is because of the drug busts. Although they say it had nothing to do with the Haleigh case, yeah, okay, I choose to believe they do. But other than that, IMO, they don't seem to be looking at him. For one thing, if they thought RC had anything to do with it, why would they chance leaving his other child in his care? At the very least they could have cast some suspicion on him to better enable Chrystal to obtain custody (if they thought Junior was in danger).

I just don't know what to think anymore.

If they had any suspicions about Ron the last thing that they would do is remove Junior from the home. That would have tipped their hand and with all the attention that was on Ron and Misty at that point, I really don't think that Ron or Misty would have risked doing anything to Junior.

I remember that Lt Greenwood or Detective Merchant stated that at some point they (meaning LE) believed that the drug case and the Haleigh case would intersect.

But I have looked at noone really but Ron and Misty. This was a crime of opportunity in my opinion, and they are the only two with access to Haleigh at the point that I believe she was either injured seriously enough to cause her death or killed outright.

 

[nas212913]

I have a very good friend who is a police officer in Daytona Beach. These officers/detectives are not idiots. They are seriously smart people. They look at things differently. We, the public, are not privy to their information because, quite frankly, it's none of our business. We will know what they knew when an arrest is made and Sunshine Laws kick in.
I don't think these officers are incapable or that because it's a small town they are any less able to put puzzle pieces together.

People have to remember that when officers make an arrest, the file goes to the DA. The DA/SA (whatever you call it) makes the decision on what to do with it.

*personal story: My ex is psychotically nuts. I had a restraining order against him. He called me 27 times. I called the police. The officer came out. Arrested my ex for Stalking, which in FL is a felony. When I met with the DA, they wanted to plead it down to just a Violation of an Injunction. My ex got probation for three months, had to pay a fine of 200$, and on his record it says that I, the victim, chose to not prosecute. He got Adjudicated Guilty of violating an injunction. That's it. I wanted the case to go to trial. I didn't want to settle. The DA settles what they can. It's a win for them, period point blank.

My point is: the cops do what they can. It's the DA that pulls the strings.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I understand everyone's frustration. It's perfectly normal to want the guilty parties arrested, charged, tried, and sentenced NOW. Unfortunately, it doesn't always happen that way. I'm still waiting for the murderers of two friends to be arrested, charged, sentenced, executed after 43 years. Their case was handled by a small country sheriff's office, too. If it had been handled by the city police where we lived, I'm sure the case would have been solved by now. Sadly, the only evidence was found in the small country area, so it went to that sheriff. :furious:

Why isn't Crystal's family screaming for justice? I'm sure they are, they just haven't been seen in the media. I'm sure they believe it's wiser to stay out of view of the cameras, but are keeping close contact with LE. We know Crystal had a private investigator working on the case for some time. Maybe LE has told her more than they've told us, so she knows she doesn't need to be out in the public eye.

Yes, there were bumbles, such as the dumpster, the back door, taking the word of the great-grandmother about the kids eating dinner on the porch - a story that grew and changed over time. Why wasn't TN's activities looked into more closely? Why did she arrive lickety-split after the 911 call with photo in hand and wearing her Sheriff Office jacket/sweater?

Lots of questions we have no answers for, but maybe LE has the answers, they just don't have the evidence. I'm thinking the biggest hindrance to this case is lack of solid evidence, plus lack of a body. Ron's werk schedule means nothing without evidence. Where Misty was means nothing without evidence. But yet, they took Tommy's word about the river. Where was the evidence? Of course, if they hadn't searched the river, and later something turned up, people would be screaming, "Why didn't you search the river?".

PCSO in this case is damned it they don't and damned if they do. The only way for them to win is to solve the case, make arrests connected to Haleigh's case, and get these people sentenced. Finding her body would be a good place to start.

That ex-FBI guy, Steve Brown, said "I solved this case", so why are we still here waiting for arrests? :furious:

 

[Zoe Bogart]

For one thing, if they thought RC had anything to do with it, why would they chance leaving his other child in his care? At the very least they could have cast some suspicion on him to better enable Chrystal to obtain custody (if they thought Junior was in danger).

I just don't know what to think anymore.

Leaving the young son with RC wasn't really up to PCSO, it was left to DCF, and DCF decided to let the boy stay with the father who has exhibited questionable behavior in front of witnesses. Sure PCSO can call in DCF, but DCF chose to leave things as they were. :cow:

Just to be on the safe side.... :cow:

 

[SoSueMe]

If they had any suspicions about Ron the last thing that they would do is remove Junior from the home. That would have tipped their hand and with all the attention that was on Ron and Misty at that point, I really don't think that Ron or Misty would have risked doing anything to Junior.

I remember that Lt Greenwood or Detective Merchant stated that at some point they (meaning LE) believed that the drug case and the Haleigh case would intersect.

But I have looked at noone really but Ron and Misty. This was a crime of opportunity in my opinion, and they are the only two with access to Haleigh at the point that I believe she was either injured seriously enough to cause her death or killed outright.

Well yes that would tip their hand wouldn't it? That's not what I said.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

IMO, a fresh pair of eyes on this case would not hurt! It would not hurt in any cold case. I know LE said this is not a cold case, however they have not found Haleigh, so it is not warm enough IMO and I fear she will never be found. I can't really say I trust all of LE either. Not in this case or any case, just because it has been know in the past that there are corrupt LE out there (anywhere).

At this point I blame Ronald and Misty mainly, then DCF. If it were not for them Haleigh may still be around/alive. I to am impatient and would like to have a real update on where LE is on this case, but also understand that LE has no responsibility to fill the public in. I also feel that LE did mess up a lot in this case, but hey they are only human and we all make mistakes. I hope that is all they were....mistakes. I will leave it at that because I don't want a T/O.

All the above is JMO. :cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::cow::truce:

 

[Snowbunny]

For those of you who don't think that LE will go as far as play games with someone who they feel might have committed a crime in order for them to possibly let their guard down, I'm here to tell you they will. My exhusband, my son and even myself at one point have all been in Law Enforcement for a number of years. They will even go as far as play one criminal against another to get to the truth. A good example of what they will do is the Undercover Police Officer who was buying and selling drugs with RC, MC, CC, TC and DB while recording the whole ordeal. The UC was their best friend at the time. LE will do what it takes to get to the truth.

 

[Snowbunny]

More than likely LE already knows what happened to Haleigh and who is responsible, but now it comes down to finding the evidence to prove their case to bring about an arrest(s) in order to get a conviction that will stick.

 

[Chablis]

More than likely LE already knows what happened to Haleigh and who is responsible, but now it comes down to finding the evidence to prove their case to bring about an arrest(s) in order to get a conviction that will stick.

I agree. And in the meantime their suspects are locked up and cannot hurt themselves or others and that has to be some what of a relief. The Le know and have said they think HaLeigh is dead. There is no bringing her back. I am happy they are getting the time to make sure they have an iron clad case that will stick against the person or persons responsible for what happened to this little girl. It has to be a sigh of relief no matter what just to get them off the streets.

The LE have shown they will go to whatever extent to get the truth. They told Ronald Misty passed her lie detector test. For awhile and maybe even now, I think Ronald actually thought the police really beleived he had nothing to do with any of this, and the bonus was it seems he has Nancy Grace believing him, but I would think LE would have an obligation for the safety of the other child to inform Ronald she did NOT pass her tests and wouldnt they want Ronald to know that so he could get her away from the other child?

The LE let Ron feel all comfy and he messed up, probably as expected, he played into their trap, bottom line.

jmo