Big city Law Enforcement VS Satsuma

[4Jacy]

OK, so now we know human bones were found in the river that obviously were there for many, many years. Is it safe to assume if Haleigh's body was ever in that water, they would have found evidence of that? And that means Tommy was lying, just like he said he was, Misty was lying, just like the LDT seemed to indicate, and Cousin Joe is in the clear for another day. LE was running with Ron's account of Joe saying that was a perfect place to get rid of a body. Tommy was coerced into backing up that story. The next thing we see is Ron looking like the cat that ate the canary, Joe crying, Tommy losing his family, and Misty.........well, Misty just looking fat and sassy. Nothing accomplished, and a lot of time and money wasted. Misty says it better than anyone.....They just need to move on!

Agree with everything you have said on this post and many others, except for one thing: Misty may look fat but IMO she doesn't look "sassy." She looks empty, deplete of reason to live. I don't think she cares about anything or anyone at this point.

 

[dodie20]

When I hear the words, "satisfied with Ron's work hours" that's when I'm at my lowest. I figure with this kind of thinking, this case will never be solved. Whatever happened could have happened before he went to work, or with him working outdoors, alone, who knows how long he could be gone without anyone missing him? I'm not satisfied with anything Ron has said or done. His actions are the most suspicious of any player, yet he gets the least amount of attention. LE needs to give plan A a rest, and go to Plan B. I seriously doubt there is a plan B!

one of the problems, is that Misty has brought so much attention to herself. (with the Cummings, guiding her every step of the way). She took many lie tests, & didn't even get a lawyer, for the longest time, & acted like the blabbing teenager, she was. Meanwhile, Ron lawyered up, didn't take any more tests, & only spoke in a very gaurded, legal way, while accompanied by his lawyer or mother. or better yet, he let his mother do the talking, so no misspeaks, could be directly credited to him. in other words, Ron protected Ron. & Misty, who the Cummings, took under their wing, was left to flail around & defend herself. If the Cummings recognized the NEED for Ron to lawyer up, then they most certainly recognized that same need for Misty. If Ron had been left unrepresented, I think this case would be looking a lot differently, right now. & I don't buy for a second, that Ron was keeping his enemies close. Ron was just protecting Ron, plain & simple. Whisperer said that LE seems to be afraid of the media. I agree, but I think they're even more wary of lawyers. That's when LE acts like they've run into a brick wall.

 

[LillieBelle]

Don't forget that she also was wearing here Sheriff Department's jacket when she arrived on the scene also.

And took the time to put on a necklace, unless she slept with it on...?

 

[dodie20]

one of the problems, is that Misty has brought so much attention to herself. (with the Cummings, guiding her every step of the way). She took many lie tests, & didn't even get a lawyer, for the longest time, & acted like the blabbing teenager, she was. Meanwhile, Ron lawyered up, didn't take any more tests, & only spoke in a very gaurded, legal way, while accompanied by his lawyer or mother. or better yet, he let his mother do the talking, so no misspeaks, could be directly credited to him. in other words, Ron protected Ron. & Misty, who the Cummings, took under their wing, was left to flail around & defend herself. If the Cummings recognized the NEED for Ron to lawyer up, then they most certainly recognized that same need for Misty. If Ron had been left unrepresented, I think this case would be looking a lot differently, right now. & I don't buy for a second, that Ron was keeping his enemies close. Ron was just protecting Ron, plain & simple. Whisperer said that LE seems to be afraid of the media. I agree, but I think they're even more wary of lawyers. That's when LE acts like they've run into a brick wall.

& I think this LE has a problem with working around lawyers. They seem to prefer being in complete control, without legal interference-like the drug sting. no lawyers were present, & it went off without a hitch.

 

[Peliman]

Just another opinion here and based on a investigation I saw evolve in Ga. here from a relatively smaller sheriffs office. The crime was the murder of a Real Estate broker and the shooting of his wife.

After almost 14 months and forums proclaiming who was guilty and the sheriffs dept remaining silent, the indictments finally came down from the Grand Jury and information was released. Public was outraged at the silence.

While the sheriffs office was the collector of information they did not have central control of the case. The case was turned over and controlled by the GBI (Georgia Dept. of Investigation.) The sheriff was exasperated at the length and public pressure he received, even other sheriff wannabe's claiming he was incompetent and he needed to be removed.

He had no say so until he was given the warrants. He explained to the public the delay was in investigating the victimology. That's every single friend, associate, social or work related person that ever came into the victims orbit. Was it a real estate deal gone bad?

Ends up his son shot the father and wounded the mother. He set fire to the dining room of the house.

With all the players in this case I'm thinking and hoping this is the case here in Putnam Co. I think it's similar in being family related somehow. LE and the SA maybe waiting for the drug charges to become final before charges come about from Haleigh.

I don't know for sure but I have faith this has not been swept under the rug. One day it will be like Paul Harvey - And that's the rest of the story.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

OK, so now we know human bones were found in the river that obviously were there for many, many years. Is it safe to assume if Haleigh's body was ever in that water, they would have found evidence of that? And that means Tommy was lying, just like he said he was, Misty was lying, just like the LDT seemed to indicate, and Cousin Joe is in the clear for another day. LE was running with Ron's account of Joe saying that was a perfect place to get rid of a body. Tommy was coerced into backing up that story. The next thing we see is Ron looking like the cat that ate the canary, Joe crying, Tommy losing his family, and Misty.........well, Misty just looking fat and sassy. Nothing accomplished, and a lot of time and money wasted. Misty says it better than anyone.....They just need to move on!

Ron's reaction, to that search, was weird, to put it nicely. My thoughts about him then, were that he knew the search wasn't going to yield much, & he was impressed with Misty for being behind, yet another, wild goose chase. It was like he was waiting to see how long she could go without cracking. IDK, but that was my impression. Now, if he was involved, I can understand that reaction, (sort of), but if he wasn't? I really don't get Ron, because that would mean that he knows that Misty was involved, & some details, so...why hasn't he ratted her out? I saw some t shirts, the other day with gangster type print. One said, 'snitches get stitches', & the other said, 'snitches in ditches'. But would that apply to a father & his dead child? IMO, Misty doesn't look too sassy, so she may be getting ready to crack. But, early in this case, it was reported that she tried to meet up with a preacher, (he was unavailable), & I thought she was ready to talk then, & wondered why cops didn't seize the opportunity. I was baffled with LE then, & I'm still baffled with them. Not much has changed.

 

[dodie20]

Just another opinion here and based on a investigation I saw evolve in Ga. here from a relatively smaller sheriffs office. The crime was the murder of a Real Estate broker and the shooting of his wife.

After almost 14 months and forums proclaiming who was guilty and the sheriffs dept remaining silent, the indictments finally came down from the Grand Jury and information was released. Public was outraged at the silence.

While the sheriffs office was the collector of information they did not have central control of the case. The case was turned over and controlled by the GBI (Georgia Dept. of Investigation.) The sheriff was exasperated at the length and public pressure he received, even other sheriff wannabe's claiming he was incompetent and he needed to be removed.

He had no say so until he was given the warrants. He explained to the public the delay was in investigating the victimology. That's every single friend, associate, social or work related person that ever came into the victims orbit. Was it a real estate deal gone bad?

Ends up his son shot the father and wounded the mother. He set fire to the dining room of the house.

With all the players in this case I'm thinking and hoping this is the case here in Putnam Co. I think it's similar in being family related somehow. LE and the SA maybe waiting for the drug charges to become final before charges come about from Haleigh.

I don't know for sure but I have faith this has not been swept under the rug. One day it will be like Paul Harvey - And that's the rest of the story.

IMO

just curious, because it's similar to this case...why did the mother, not tell on the son? the case would've been solved a lot sooner, & all of that time & money could've been saved. Did he leave her for dead, or was she just wounded, because she was in on the plot?

 

[Peliman]

just curious, because it's similar to this case...why did the mother, not tell on the son? the case would've been solved a lot sooner, & all of that time & money could've been saved. Did he leave her for dead, or was she just wounded, because she was in on the plot?

Hi dodie, I'll check to see if I can find out more. The indictment was last year and I'm not sure if it's come to trial. Lots of rumors were circulating as to an affair she may have been having. Very little real info released, it was in the family. Here's a little info.

http://savannahnow.com/effingham-now/2010-05-12/new-date-set-heidt-murder-trial

 

[Gaia713]

There's been so much talk about Misty and drugs. Most LE would have given her a drug test that night. They would have had a window of 3 days for her to test positive on drugs, longer if it was marijuana. In every caswe I have seen of a missing child, a drug test is SOP for the last person who saw the child. I think this police force dropped the ball multiple times on this case.

For example, without a drug test, all the claims that Misty was doing drugs are pointless and unprovable.

 

[Gaia713]

And took the time to put on a necklace, unless she slept with it on...?

Can those times be totally verified as coming from the same source. Perhaps she used different clocks - I know every clock in our home has a different time on it.

 

[Maryann123]

Can those times be totally verified as coming from the same source. Perhaps she used different clocks - I know every clock in our home has a different time on it.

Regardless of the times on her clocks, LE can look at the cell phones to see what time Ron called her, and the time it took her to get to his house. We know she couldn't have been doing 180 miles per hour, and that's what she had to do in order for her times to match up. That doesn't give a lot of time for her to get dressed, find just the right jacket, and collect an 8x10 glossy. I would love to know where she came from that night. She says 12-15 miles away. Even if it took longer than she stated, LE should have reenacted her travel that night to see if everything fit. If it didn't.........there's a problem right there. I hope they have gone back to square one, and know who's lying and who's not. If what she is claiming turns out to be a lie, they have an obligation to call her on it. It's a small thing, but these are the kinds of things that help to solve crimes. Once you catch someone in a lie, you can throw out their other accounts of events. That's the instructions they give jurors anyway.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I just saw this:


Is that supposed to be some type of a threat?

I'm really getting tired of the transcripts from Nancy Grace's Show being wrong.:furious:

I've got to back off the above post because, like several other instances in this case, the transcript says one thing and the video says something else.

Ronald did NOT say "me to deal with" as the transcript says at the link I gave. He says "the FDLE to deal with".

It's at the 1:59 mark of Patty G's video of the broadcast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btLiiTOnUHQ&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[lonetraveler]

Regardless of the times on her clocks, LE can look at the cell phones to see what time Ron called her, and the time it took her to get to his house. We know she couldn't have been doing 180 miles per hour, and that's what she had to do in order for her times to match up. That doesn't give a lot of time for her to get dressed, find just the right jacket, and collect an 8x10 glossy. I would love to know where she came from that night. She says 12-15 miles away. Even if it took longer than she stated, LE should have reenacted her travel that night to see if everything fit. If it didn't.........there's a problem right there. I hope they have gone back to square one, and know who's lying and who's not. If what she is claiming turns out to be a lie, they have an obligation to call her on it. It's a small thing, but these are the kinds of things that help to solve crimes. Once you catch someone in a lie, you can throw out their other accounts of events. That's the instructions they give jurors anyway.

Your post reminded me that as far as I know, there has been no attempt other than Cobra's to do a reenactment of the crime. Cobra attempted to do this but Misty refused to participate. Does anyone else recall if another attempt was made to do a reenactment?

 

[Concerned Papa]

There's been considerable speculation about the veracity of both LE and the prosecution in Putnam County. There's been considerable speculation that they are working to "get it right" before moving for arrests in Haleigh's case. In my mind, the jury's still out as to both points but the litmus test for me is fast approaching.

If there was ever a case where LE "got it right", it's the drug charges against Ronald and Misty. The law and it's penalties are clear:

(c)1. Any person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of, 4 grams or more of any morphine, opium, oxycodone, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, or any salt, derivative, isomer, or salt of an isomer thereof, including heroin, as described in s. 893.03(1)(b), (2)(a), (3)(c)3., or (3)(c)4., or 4 grams or more of any mixture containing any such substance, but less than 30 kilograms of such substance or mixture, commits a felony of the first degree, which felony shall be known as "trafficking in illegal drugs," punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. If the quantity involved:

a. Is 4 grams or more, but less than 14 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $50,000.

b. Is 14 grams or more, but less than 28 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 15 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $100,000.

c. Is 28 grams or more, but less than 30 kilograms, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 25 calendar years and pay a fine of $500,000.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0893/SEC135.HTM

The violation of this law would be hard pressed to be more clear for Ronald Cummings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFZswq-Sjbw

There's a direct admission of guilt on Mr. Cummings' part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZHj7YGvY0

Even his own attorney admits the strength of the State's case:

"Everyone in the world has seen the [undercover] videos," Shoemaker said. "It's kind of hard. It's a great case for the state."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/articles/100519729

The only defendant remaining to be adjudicated is Misty Croslin and the State's case appears even stronger against her. They do not need anything from Mr. Cummings for a successful prosecution.

The penalty prescribed by law for the crime committed by Ronald Cummings is a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 25 calendar years and a fine of $500,000. If we don't know what happened to Haleigh by the time his sentence is imposed, he should get every minute of the mandatory minimum at least.

IMO, the law prescribes it and justice demands it.

 

[SoSueMe]

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And still Putnam Co. will not release the jail calls or visits. I talked to someone several times that asked for the calls/visits and PC will not hand them over saying there is nothing to hear. Hmm....something does not sound right with that either IMO.

LE can refuse to turn the tapes over because they think there is nothing to hear? I thought they could only withhold them if they were crucial to their investigation.

Does anyone know the law on this? Is it part of the Sunshine law? LE can refuse a media request for public records just for any ol' reason?

 

[21merc7]

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I thought they could only withhold them if they were crucial to their investigation.

Respectfully snipped:

I think you just answered your own question.

 

[dodie20]

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LE can refuse to turn the tapes over because they think there is nothing to hear? I thought they could only withhold them if they were crucial to their investigation.

Does anyone know the law on this? Is it part of the Sunshine law? LE can refuse a media request for public records just for any ol' reason?

well, after LE is finished with their redacting, there's nothing to hear on the other calls, either. isn't that the point? to give the public calls, with nothing on them? If LE is being truthful, then why not release them 'as is'? It wouldn't be any sweat off their backs. I hope they aren't ignoring his calls & visits, because, 'there's nothing there'. If they are, they're asking for this case to stay cold.

 

[Chablis]

well, after LE is finished with their redacting, there's nothing to hear on the other calls, either. isn't that the point? to give the public calls, with nothing on them? If LE is being truthful, then why not release them 'as is'? It wouldn't be any sweat off their backs. I hope they aren't ignoring his calls & visits, because, 'there's nothing there'. If they are, they're asking for this case to stay cold.

Maybe there is nothing to hear because Ronald isnt making phone calls?

 

[dodie20]

Maybe there is nothing to hear because Ronald isnt making phone calls?

then LE needs to say that. the last we heard, Ron was getting calls from a new girl, his mother, & GGS. maybe LE didn't care for the speculation, on all 3. actually, his call & visits were no less enlightening, than the others. & I seriously doubt, Ron's just sitting around, waiting to get out, (25 years?), to speak with his family.

 

[Chablis]

then LE needs to say that. the last we heard, Ron was getting calls from a new girl, his mother, & GGS. maybe LE didn't care for the speculation, on all 3. actually, his call & visits were no less enlightening, than the others. & I seriously doubt, Ron's just sitting around, waiting to get out, (25 years?), to speak with his family.

Well, they said there is nothing to hear, to me it means there is no phone calls going out, they have basically took a lesson from the Anthonys, imo.