Big city Law Enforcement VS Satsuma

[elle1919]

Here's another thing that I can't get past. Why hasn't Teresa Neves been asked how she can travel 12-15 miles in 5 minutes, after being awakened from a deep sleep, having to get dressed, and having the presence of mind to bring along an 8x10 glossy of Haleigh. They have the record of what time Ronald called her, and what time she showed up at the MH. If the time line doesn't fit, they have an obligation to press TN for the truth. I don't believe they have ever done this. Why haven't they confronted her with this obvious impossibility?

It is impossible to know what LE has questioned Teresa Neves about. I for one refuse to jump to the conclusion that because they haven't released intimate details of their investigation to the public that they do not have that information. On the contrary I believe that it is standard procedure to look at family members and close relations first and we haven't heard one iota of information to link TN or AS to Haleigh's disappearance from Law Enforcement.

I still believe that those responsible for Haleigh's death will be led to justice, and in my opinion they will be lead there by those that have been dedicated to her case since the 911 call. Unlike Annette Sykes I believe Haleigh is deceased, and Satsuma LE will work tooth and nail to bring her killer to justice. They have already said they know they have NUMEROUS suspects, I believe they know what happened to Haleigh but lack the evidence to please the State's attorney enough to go to trial, but I pray everyday they uncover what they need. JMO

 

[dodie20]

Well, they said there is nothing to hear, to me it means there is no phone calls going out, they have basically took a lesson from the Anthonys, imo.

well, GGS has admitted that she, herself, told Ron that the bone wasn't Haleigh's, so...she either told him in a call or visit.which are both recorded. She didn't have time to write a letter & get a response.

 

[dodie20]

Well, they said there is nothing to hear, to me it means there is no phone calls going out, they have basically took a lesson from the Anthonys, imo.

also, Ron very early on, said that he had been told that his calls wouldn't be released, so instead of thinking that there aren't any calls to release, I've gotta go with logic & Ron on that one. LE isn't releasing his calls.

 

[SoSueMe]

also, Ron very early on, said that he had been told that his calls wouldn't be released, so instead of thinking that there aren't any calls to release, I've gotta go with logic & Ron on that one. LE isn't releasing his calls.

Ron isn't going to say anything anyway. He's too criminally smart for that. I would like to know why the Croslin tapes aren't being released as well. Have we heard anything since the river search? It seems like there was a conversation between Tommy and his dad when he was trying to tell him in a cryptic manner that it was all b.s. for him to get a lighter sentence. Was that after the search had been complete? Has there been anything since?

 

[dodie20]

Ron isn't going to say anything anyway. He's too criminally smart for that. I would like to know why the Croslin tapes aren't being released as well. Have we heard anything since the river search? It seems like there was a conversation between Tommy and his dad when he was trying to tell him in a cryptic manner that it was all b.s. for him to get a lighter sentence. Was that after the search had been complete? Has there been anything since?

I agree that Ron is too criminally smart to implicate himself, but that didn't stop GGS from warning him of a snitch, & TN asking if he thought Misty was gonna talk. so, by not releasing his calls, the public is missing out on all of their little tidbits.

 

[grandmaj]

Please get back to the topic we are talking about how LE handled this case. This is turning into a Cummings thread and that is a :nono:

 

[1Chump]

I understand that LE uses head games set-ups, lies, whatever...but, in this case, it really doesn't look like that. People like Mark Klaus, Tim Miller, Nancy Grace, Cobra, just about everybody that might have access to inside information, is on the same page. 'Ron isn't involved'. They really believe he was at work, & passed that poly. So, if LE is playing Ron, then they are using all of these people to perpetuate the game? I don't think so. Logic tells me that they are getting inside information, & at the least, LE doesn't consider Ron a suspect-for some reason. & I don't see ANY LE suspecting one person, (Ron), but letting another one, (Misty), take the public bashing, she has. I know cops can lie & stuff, but deliberately allowing an innocent person's reputation to be ruined, has got to be illegal. But, Ron, was busted right along with Misty & Tommy, so maybe they aren't as sure as they once were?

Why would you think any of those people have access to inside information?

IMO, Mark Klass has inside info as a father who has went through this. By his comments, he has serious questions about Ron. IMO, Mark Klass is also someone who is able to separate his heart from his head. Meaning that Mark Klass is able to see Ron as more than just a father who lost a daughter.

But the others, I do not believe they have any inside information especially from LE.

IMO, LE have kept this case extremely close to the vest. There is no way they could be as successful as they have been if they had gave anyone inside information.

I think this articles on News4Jax from September 24, 2009, makes it very clear that LE is not giving any media inside information.

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Channel 4 asked Putnam County Chief Deputy Rick Ryan about the letter on Thursday and the report on "Nancy Grace."

"We know about the letter," Ryan said. "There was some issue about draining of the pond. The pond was drained before the letter. Quite frankly, we feel like it's irresponsible journalism to put this on the air that this letter is the gospel.

"I'm very disappointed, and quite frankly, appalled."

When asked if the affidavit mentioned in the letter is true, Ryan said, "Again, we don't care anything about this letter, and we're not going to waste our time on it. Even if it was our theory, we're just not going to talk about it."

Ryan said every time something new, fact or fiction, surfaces, he gets frantic phone calls from Haleigh's family.

"Look at what it's doing to the family," Ryan said. "It's a rollercoaster ride for the families, and just because one or two TV shows says it is, doesn't mean that it's happening."

Ryan said police are still investigating with the hope that Haleigh is still alive.

"Basically, because of this irresponsible journalism, they killed this little girl off in the media," Ryan said. "We're still of the mindset that this child is alive, and we're going to continue to pursue it as such until we know. Otherwise, frankly, it's perpetuating more drama."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21106617/detail.html
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IMO, LE's priority is getting Justice of Haleigh through a criminal conviction. As angry as many are with LE not solving the case, IMO the anger is misdirected.

LE has been hampered by the media as well as individuals interferring in their investigation. Many of those who interferred had their hearts in the right place. However, their focus was on finding Haleigh, not protecting any criminal case.

IMO, LE knows what happened and probably could even make a strong circumstantial case. However, because of the interfence that has completely destroyed Misty's credibility, LE now cannot make a circumstantial case. They need hard cold evidence to support anything Misty told them.

My hope is once they do make arrests in this case for those responsible for harm to Haleigh, they also investigate and charge anyone who interferred in any way with the investigation. I am not talking about media. I am talking about individuals who took it upon themselves to conduct their own investigation without any consideration of the criminal investigation. I want to see any charge possible...obstruction of justice...witness tampering....interference with a police investigation....anything. Not because it will help Haleigh but to put people on notice for future criminal investigations.

Because I do believe without the outside interference, LE would have been able to make arrests by now. I also believe that inteference may result some people who should be charged not being charged.

 

[Whisperer]

There are people that have good information about this case that aren't LE. The media such as AH has many interviews offering insight or more into this case. The media have interviews also. Tim miller and the voice analyses, hypnosis, etc. We have not been privy to their entire tapes. Cobra has tapes. I wish we coud hear and see all the tapes these people have prior to the editing. Those Cobra tapes alone have oodles of information.

We can tell from C's tapes alone, the LE were very interesting in ron's timeline, which he glossed over.

As far as big city LE; they are more experienced. This case still reminds me of Tara G's case where the rural LE just couldn't ever figure it out.

 

[lonetraveler]

There are people that have good information about this case that aren't LE. The media such as AH has many interviews offering insight or more into this case. The media have interviews also. Tim miller and the voice analyses, hypnosis, etc. We have not been privy to their entire tapes. Cobra has tapes. I wish we coud hear and see all the tapes these people have prior to the editing. Those Cobra tapes alone have oodles of information.

We can tell from C's tapes alone, the LE were very interesting in ron's timeline, which he glossed over.

As far as big city LE; they are more experienced. This case still reminds me of Tara G's case where the rural LE just couldn't ever figure it out.

I agree Whisperer. Putnam and St. Johns counties can handle drug cases in their sleep but when it comes to a missing little girl, presumed dead now, local LE are way over their heads IMO. I think that the friendships, relatives, you name it are very deep in this area and I do think that they can interfere and bog down an investigation of this magnitude. I have also thought throughout this case that Ron and family may be entirely too friendly or know too much about people involved in this investigation. I think it is way past time for the SBI or FBI to take over this case. Let the locals handle the common place cases.

 

[lonetraveler]

also, Ron very early on, said that he had been told that his calls wouldn't be released, so instead of thinking that there aren't any calls to release, I've gotta go with logic & Ron on that one. LE isn't releasing his calls.

When I first heard Ron's statement that his calls would not be released I was amused, but now, I'm Pi**ed that he knew full well ahead of time that he would be treated differently than his cohorts. He also discussed the special visitation times that he would receive. It does appear that LE or someone above LE's head think that Ron is special in some way. If the FBI or SBI were over this case I don't think that this would have happened. It is going to be very interesting to see what Ron gets as far as a sentence from the local judge for his "deal". :waitasec:

 

[GER]

I have a question. Who can ask LE for the tapes, media only?
Has anyone else asked LE directly about tapes on RC?

 

[dodie20]

Why would you think any of those people have access to inside information?

IMO, Mark Klass has inside info as a father who has went through this. By his comments, he has serious questions about Ron. IMO, Mark Klass is also someone who is able to separate his heart from his head. Meaning that Mark Klass is able to see Ron as more than just a father who lost a daughter.

But the others, I do not believe they have any inside information especially from LE.

IMO, LE have kept this case extremely close to the vest. There is no way they could be as successful as they have been if they had gave anyone inside information.

I think this articles on News4Jax from September 24, 2009, makes it very clear that LE is not giving any media inside information.

****************

Channel 4 asked Putnam County Chief Deputy Rick Ryan about the letter on Thursday and the report on "Nancy Grace."

"We know about the letter," Ryan said. "There was some issue about draining of the pond. The pond was drained before the letter. Quite frankly, we feel like it's irresponsible journalism to put this on the air that this letter is the gospel.

"I'm very disappointed, and quite frankly, appalled."

When asked if the affidavit mentioned in the letter is true, Ryan said, "Again, we don't care anything about this letter, and we're not going to waste our time on it. Even if it was our theory, we're just not going to talk about it."

Ryan said every time something new, fact or fiction, surfaces, he gets frantic phone calls from Haleigh's family.

"Look at what it's doing to the family," Ryan said. "It's a rollercoaster ride for the families, and just because one or two TV shows says it is, doesn't mean that it's happening."

Ryan said police are still investigating with the hope that Haleigh is still alive.

"Basically, because of this irresponsible journalism, they killed this little girl off in the media," Ryan said. "We're still of the mindset that this child is alive, and we're going to continue to pursue it as such until we know. Otherwise, frankly, it's perpetuating more drama."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/21106617/detail.html
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IMO, LE's priority is getting Justice of Haleigh through a criminal conviction. As angry as many are with LE not solving the case, IMO the anger is misdirected.

LE has been hampered by the media as well as individuals interferring in their investigation. Many of those who interferred had their hearts in the right place. However, their focus was on finding Haleigh, not protecting any criminal case.

IMO, LE knows what happened and probably could even make a strong circumstantial case. However, because of the interfence that has completely destroyed Misty's credibility, LE now cannot make a circumstantial case. They need hard cold evidence to support anything Misty told them.

My hope is once they do make arrests in this case for those responsible for harm to Haleigh, they also investigate and charge anyone who interferred in any way with the investigation. I am not talking about media. I am talking about individuals who took it upon themselves to conduct their own investigation without any consideration of the criminal investigation. I want to see any charge possible...obstruction of justice...witness tampering....interference with a police investigation....anything. Not because it will help Haleigh but to put people on notice for future criminal investigations.

Because I do believe without the outside interference, LE would have been able to make arrests by now. I also believe that inteference may result some people who should be charged not being charged.

Art Harris, Nancy Grace, & others have mentioned their sources. I don't think any of these people would stake their reputations on information gleaned from family members, from either side, because they all lie, or have agendas. That's just my opinion, but I don't think it would be worth it. MOO. I've thought from the beginning, that information was being leaked. That happens in every case. There's just no way, some of these media people could know some of the things they know, otherwise. I'm not saying that AH, for instance, has a direct link to LE, but it's MOO, that he at the least, has a source who does have a direct link. It was like when it 1st started coming out that Misty had been gone, (partying), the weekend before. Grace didn't seem particularly surprised by that information, but she wanted it verified. But as a totally unconnected viewer, it was news to me. So, I don't think LE is keeping this as close to the vest, as they wish. & maybe that's one of the reasons they aren't releasing any new recordings. maybe the players are talking too much. From what I understand, from other cases, it's almost impossible for any LE, big or small, to avoid department leaks.

 

[Dr. Know?]

You or anyone can Ger. Getting them is another thing. But here's about the Sunshine law and info on getting them.

snipped- more at link

What is a public record?
The Florida Supreme Court has determined that public records are all materials made or received by an agency in connection with official business which are used to perpetuate, communicate or formalize knowledge. They are not limited to traditional written documents. Tapes, photographs, films and sound recordings are also considered public records subject to inspection unless a statutory exemption exists.

Can I request public documents over the telephone and do I have to tell why I want them?
Nothing in the public records law requires that a request for public records be in writing or in person, although individuals may wish to make their request in writing to ensure they have an accurate record of what they requested. Unless otherwise exempted, a custodian of public records must honor a request for records, whether it is made in person, over the telephone, or in writing, provided the required fees are paid. In addition, nothing in the law requires the requestor to disclose the reason for the request.

How much can an agency charge for public documents?
The law provides that the custodian shall furnish a copy of public records upon payment of the fee prescribed by law. If no fee is prescribed, an agency is normally allowed to charge up to 15 cents per one-sided copy for copies that are 14" x 8 1/2" or less. A charge of up to $1 per copy may be assessed for a certified copy of a public record. If the nature and volume of the records to be copied requires extensive use of information technology resources or extensive clerical or supervisory assistance, or both, the agency may charge a reasonable service charge based on the actual cost incurred.

Does an agency have to explain why it denies access to public records?
A custodian of a public record who contends that the record or part of a record is exempt from inspection must state the basis for that exemption, including the statutory citation. Additionally, when asked, the custodian must state in writing the reasons for concluding the record is exempt.
When does a document sent to a public agency become a public document?
As soon as a document is received by a public agency, it becomes a public record, unless there is a legislatively created exemption which makes it confidential and not subject to disclosure.


http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/pages/FAQs#15

 

[GER]

Mmmmmmmmmm

Thank you, Dr. Know? for that informative post. Mmmmmm

 

[1Chump]

There are people that have good information about this case that aren't LE. The media such as AH has many interviews offering insight or more into this case. The media have interviews also. Tim miller and the voice analyses, hypnosis, etc. We have not been privy to their entire tapes. Cobra has tapes. I wish we coud hear and see all the tapes these people have prior to the editing. Those Cobra tapes alone have oodles of information.

We can tell from C's tapes alone, the LE were very interesting in ron's timeline, which he glossed over.

As far as big city LE; they are more experienced. This case still reminds me of Tara G's case where the rural LE just couldn't ever figure it out.

I agree that there are people who have good information who are not LE. However, that information is great for public consumption but not great for making a criminal case against those who harmed Haleigh and many times severally damaged any future criminal case.

IMO, the most damage to any future criminal conviction is all that great information supplied by administering tests to Misty in a way that would be illegal if done by LE. Anyone with any common sense knew or should have known that Misty was at the very least a witness. As a result of the way those tests were done, Misty cannot even be a witness now. Her credibility was not just destroyed but demolished.

IMO, evidentary value and protecting future witnesses testimony is much more important than public's need to know. IMO, the legal ramifications of all that good information is the reason that LE has not arrested anyone in this case.

IMO, Big City LE would have the same problems as Satsuma has in this case. They have to overcome "well-meaning" people who in an attempt to find a missing child instigated their own investigation without taking into consideration that Justice for Haleigh is just as important as her family burying her.

 

[Snowbunny]

I agree Whisperer. Putnam and St. Johns counties can handle drug cases in their sleep but when it comes to a missing little girl, presumed dead now, local LE are way over their heads IMO. I think that the friendships, relatives, you name it are very deep in this area and I do think that they can interfere and bog down an investigation of this magnitude. I have also thought throughout this case that Ron and family may be entirely too friendly or know too much about people involved in this investigation. I think it is way past time for the SBI or FBI to take over this case. Let the locals handle the common place cases.

I totally agree with this. In a small community everybody knows everybody and their business. Although I have the upmost respect for LE in Putnam County, I do feel there could be too many close ties there with certain individuals and it might be hard to stay impartial at times. There is no excuse why Ronald Cummings and Company should be treated any differently than the Croslins have. I don't care who he thinks he is, he is no different than the rest of them and shouldn't be allowed special privileges. It may be one of the reasons why this case hasn't moved forward and/or been solved already. Ronald Cummings already had quite a track record before these drug traffickking charges and for some reason he always manages to walk away from it all, but why is my question? Who on the inside is cutting him the slack? The Feds should take control of him since he admitted to putting a headless rat in Tommy Croslins mailbox. That in itself is a Federal Offense and they should crack down hard on him for that one and then he made the comment that he did it just to see how well Misty could lie to LE. I do agree 100% that an outside agency should take over this investigation and I'd be willing to bebt this case would be solved in less than a month or two. You can't tell me that Ronald Cummings' behavior has been that of an honorable father of a missing child, but rather just the opposite and he and his family have lied continuiously over and over again and in my opinion have obstructed justice and they should be held accountable just like everybody else. I also believe that statutory rape charges should be brought against Ronald Cummings as well where Misty is concerned. It doesn't matter that he married her, because he broke the law before they were married and he should be held accountable for it. Afterall, this is considered a high profile case so is Putnam County trying to tell the rest of the world it's okay to break the law down there? I think not. Misty wasn't Ronald Cumming's first victim and if he's allowed to get away with it I doubt she will be the last. The wannabee needs to be put in his place fast in my opinion and they also need to investigate who within is giving him preferrable treatment.

 

[krkrjx]

In Florida, does FDLE serve the same purpose as the State Bureau of Investigation in other states? FDLE has been involved in Haleigh's case for quite some time and if there is no state investigatory agency above them, there are no options for new and fresh eyes other than FBI. IIRC, the FBI had been involved early on, though I do not know to what extent or if they are still involved at this time.

In the beginning of this investigation, I had many questions about how it was handled. First, TN was allowed inside the MH within minutes of the 911 call to report Haleigh missing, and that was a bad move, IMO. People roaming through a potential crime scene can easily disturb evidence even without meaning to; this is why crime scenes are secured and no one is allowed in until the scene has been processed. To allow TN to be inside the MH that night/early morning and then later secure off the MH for processing was bass-ackward, IMO.

I also wanted to know if LE checked the drain hoses and lint filters of the washer as well as lint filters of the dryer. That is something that is done routinely, especially when a person has made a statement or comment about having used the machines during critical hours. Checking these things right away is essential as there is no way to go back later to retrieve useful evidence.

The back door should have been processed much sooner.

Sheets and blankets should NOT have been strewn onto the door ramp as they were.

Was the former Croslin home on Magnolia Drive ever sealed off and searched at any point?

In short, I feared early on that the day would come when LE would need something evidence-wise and, due to the passage of time, not be able to get it. With some things, there are no do-overs.

That said, while I felt Haleigh's disappearance should have been investigated by other LE above and beyond PCSO from the get-go, I am not sure how valuable that would be now. Witnesses and/or potential persons of interest now have attorneys and those who don't would surely get one before answering any questions. So, unless there is physical evidence that could lead to an arrest, bringing in new eyes at this point seems futile, IMO. I believe it is now too late for new LE because, if the crime scene was in fact contaminated or not properly processed, there is no way that can be rectified.

 

[Maryann123]

While I agree that LE doesn't owe the public any answers, I feel that they shouldn't give out misleading info either. So, are they satisfied with Ronald Cummings work hours, or aren't they? If they are, then I predict this little girl will never get a proper burial, and this case will never be solved.
I still think pointing the finger at Cousin Joe and letting it play out over all the news outlets should be considered a criminal offense. Absolutely no evidence to back this up, and they run with it. You have to question what they are thinking, and if they have a shred of anything to go on. I have a terrible feeling that Misty has tried to tell them what happened, but she doesn't know where her body is, and they are just blowing her off. It just doesn't fit their theory!

 

[Chablis]

While I agree that LE doesn't owe the public any answers, I feel that they shouldn't give out misleading info either. So, are they satisfied with Ronald Cummings work hours, or aren't they? If they are, then I predict this little girl will never get a proper burial, and this case will never be solved.
I still think pointing the finger at Cousin Joe and letting it play out over all the news outlets should be considered a criminal offense. Absolutely no evidence to back this up, and they run with it. You have to question what they are thinking, and if they have a shred of anything to go on. I have a terrible feeling that Misty has tried to tell them what happened, but she doesn't know where her body is, and they are just blowing her off. It just doesn't fit their theory!

If they were so satisfied with Ronald, he would not be sitting on 900k bail right now. PDM is not a military base with guards stationed at each gate and the vehicles are scanned and monitored. He could have left, but heres the thing, LE says, we are satisfied with Rons work hours, HOWEVER, we dont know when this happened, leaving the door open for something happening before hes at work. And him being at work does not rule out her grabbing one of his guns, or eating some of his pills, there are so many ways he is still culpable and could have been at work. But he has a ton of explaining to do anyways considering he was self admitted via Shoemaker to calling Tommys to see if his babysitter who he thought didn't leave that night was there at Tommys an hour after HaLeigh was supposed to be in bed.

jmo

 

[Chablis]

Honestly, the best thing PCSO did was let Ron think they just were focused on Misty, and thats just how it seems to us, but Ronald did say that they were focused on the weekend before, and things that happened 7 years ago, which means his drug arrests. So maybe Ron does feel the LE suspect him, I mean he should considering the high bail he is on right now. But the LE are also telling Ronald Misty was smoking and telling him she only breaks when he is brought up, he excitedly told his mother this in the only jail visit we have seen.

If they have suspected Ron and cut him loose like they did when he was doing the NG show and all this other stuff, this stuff, his actions and denials are going to help the State secure a conviction against Ronald, I can almost hear the Prosecutor saying to the Jury, are these the actions of a man whose child has been taken or stole, and hes not supposed to know her fate? They will play the tapes of him saying a dope boy didnt take her, when hes not supposed to know her fate, how can he say that for sure? They are going to show his wedding footage, and the tapes where he says he didnt think Misty left that night when his actions via phone call show differently. Then they will bring out those tattoo employees who will testify how he was talking about all the money he had been getting, I mean its going to get ugly. I think the cops did great in giving him rope and letting him hang himself personally.

jmo