Big city Law Enforcement VS Satsuma

[Maryann123]

Chablis, I can't forget how they jumped on the "Joe did it" theory with all four's. And they did this without one shred of evidence. That doesn't say to me that they think Ron is involved. Tommy's version makes no sense, and Misty's version makes even less sense. Just days after the search is over, Misty admits that people have put that in her head. (not saying LE) Tommy admits he's only saying this because that's what they want him to say. (am saying LE) Misty says it's inmates that put it into her head, and I have to wonder if these are the kind of "snitches" Ron was warned about. In other words, they were planted in with Misty to get her to talk. If that's the case, why would you give Misty suggestions with no evidence? Misty says the Cummings are not saints, they all do drugs. What's that got to do with anything, unless she is trying to tell them something else. If I'm not mistaken didn't Misty actually say they need to look at Ron more closely? Maybe Ron and his family? Did I dream that up?

"They just need to move on!"

 

[Maryann123]

One more thing, and I'm gonna shut up for the night. I'd be willing to bet that Mark Fuhrman could get Misty to talk, and wrap up this case in about a week. Regardless of what you think of him, he sure seems to take the clues and figure it out. I know this is a very controversial statement, and I expect to take a lot of flack for it, but this is my belief.

 

[Chablis]

Chablis, I can't forget how they jumped on the "Joe did it" theory with all four's. And they did this without one shred of evidence. That doesn't say to me that they think Ron is involved. Tommy's version makes no sense, and Misty's version makes even less sense. Just days after the search is over, Misty admits that people have put that in her head. (not saying LE) Tommy admits he's only saying this because that's what they want him to say. (am saying LE) Misty says it's inmates that put it into her head, and I have to wonder if these are the kind of "snitches" Ron was warned about. In other words, they were planted in with Misty to get her to talk. If that's the case, why would you give Misty suggestions with no evidence? Misty says the Cummings are not saints, they all do drugs. What's that got to do with anything, unless she is trying to tell them something else. If I'm not mistaken didn't Misty actually say they need to look at Ron more closely? Maybe Ron and his family? Did I dream that up?

"They just need to move on!"

I would almost bet that Ron, Misty and Tommy have a pact, and in the case of something horrid happening that had them all in jail, they would all agree to blame the easiest scapegoat, that being Joe. I dont think the LE even think Joe is involved at all, no way. I think they know the game that is being played and sympathize with joe, if they thought he was involved, he would be in jail for a long time now, imo.

And yes, Misty said they need to look at Ron and his family. I bet the LE are, but not the believers who have blindly believed all the words the Cummings have said. The cops didnt call Teresa and Annette saying, we are going to Shell harbor, from what I know, the LE, via Annette, found them down there when they went to conduct a search. What the heck were Teresa and Annette doing?

If I were those two, I would be fearful of every phone call or car pulling up in the driveway, truth be told.

 

[krkrjx]

Chablis, I can't forget how they jumped on the "Joe did it" theory with all four's. And they did this without one shred of evidence. That doesn't say to me that they think Ron is involved. Tommy's version makes no sense, and Misty's version makes even less sense. Just days after the search is over, Misty admits that people have put that in her head. (not saying LE) Tommy admits he's only saying this because that's what they want him to say. (am saying LE) Misty says it's inmates that put it into her head, and I have to wonder if these are the kind of "snitches" Ron was warned about. In other words, they were planted in with Misty to get her to talk. If that's the case, why would you give Misty suggestions with no evidence? Misty says the Cummings are not saints, they all do drugs. What's that got to do with anything, unless she is trying to tell them something else. If I'm not mistaken didn't Misty actually say they need to look at Ron more closely? Maybe Ron and his family? Did I dream that up?

"They just need to move on!"

BBM...Yes, Misty did say that. And Tommy has stated on tape to his dad that anytime he mentioned Ron, the SA was not interested.

LE arrests and investigates; the SA prosecutes. Considering they listened often enough to M and T's lies, it seems reasonable to expect them to listen to everything M and T want to say. If it turns out to be another lie, so be it, but how will the SA ever know if they won't even listen?

 

[Snowbunny]

Honestly, the best thing PCSO did was let Ron think they just were focused on Misty, and thats just how it seems to us, but Ronald did say that they were focused on the weekend before, and things that happened 7 years ago, which means his drug arrests. So maybe Ron does feel the LE suspect him, I mean he should considering the high bail he is on right now. But the LE are also telling Ronald Misty was smoking and telling him she only breaks when he is brought up, he excitedly told his mother this in the only jail visit we have seen.

If they have suspected Ron and cut him loose like they did when he was doing the NG show and all this other stuff, this stuff, his actions and denials are going to help the State secure a conviction against Ronald, I can almost hear the Prosecutor saying to the Jury, are these the actions of a man whose child has been taken or stole, and hes not supposed to know her fate? They will play the tapes of him saying a dope boy didnt take her, when hes not supposed to know her fate, how can he say that for sure? They are going to show his wedding footage, and the tapes where he says he didnt think Misty left that night when his actions via phone call show differently. Then they will bring out those tattoo employees who will testify how he was talking about all the money he had been getting, I mean its going to get ugly. I think the cops did great in giving him rope and letting him hang himself personally. Chablis, I hope you are right!

jmo

I hope you are right! The way Ronald, his mother and grandmother controlled Misty's every action and words spoke volumes to me. She was their puppet but in reality she was no more than a child herself and therefore also a victim. How dare the Cummings use a child for their cause or ploy. It makes me sick. Everybody looks down on Misty for taking off for 3 days and partying, but did anyone look down at Ronald for beating the holy crap out of this young girl who was barely 17 years old and then he throws her out on the street a week before Haleigh went missing? Misty has been thrown to the dogs all her life and certainly didn't have much of an upbringing, but still she was a child herself. I do not believe this girl hurt Haleigh in any shape or fashion and probably only knows bits and pieces of what happened to Haleigh and only what the Cummings wanted her to know to make her look like a real idiot.

 

[krkrjx]

One more thing, and I'm gonna shut up for the night. I'd be willing to bet that Mark Fuhrman could get Misty to talk, and wrap up this case in about a week. Regardless of what you think of him, he sure seems to take the clues and figure it out. I know this is a very controversial statement, and I expect to take a lot of flack for it, but this is my belief.

Now THAT might be effective. He does not stop until he gets to the truth of the matter, and he is not intimidated by anyone. No flak from me. Haleigh needs this guy.

 

[bessie]

Honestly, the best thing PCSO did was let Ron think they just were focused on Misty, and thats just how it seems to us, but Ronald did say that they were focused on the weekend before, and things that happened 7 years ago, which means his drug arrests. So maybe Ron does feel the LE suspect him, I mean he should considering the high bail he is on right now. But the LE are also telling Ronald Misty was smoking and telling him she only breaks when he is brought up, he excitedly told his mother this in the only jail visit we have seen.

If they have suspected Ron and cut him loose like they did when he was doing the NG show and all this other stuff, this stuff, his actions and denials are going to help the State secure a conviction against Ronald, I can almost hear the Prosecutor saying to the Jury, are these the actions of a man whose child has been taken or stole, and hes not supposed to know her fate? They will play the tapes of him saying a dope boy didnt take her, when hes not supposed to know her fate, how can he say that for sure? They are going to show his wedding footage, and the tapes where he says he didnt think Misty left that night when his actions via phone call show differently. Then they will bring out those tattoo employees who will testify how he was talking about all the money he had been getting, I mean its going to get ugly. I think the cops did great in giving him rope and letting him hang himself personally.

jmo

Don't forget the tape of Ron on his knees crying for the cameras when his cell phone rings, and he makes no attempt to answer it. Does it mean he killed Haleigh? No. But it sure convinced me that he wasn't waiting for a ransom call from a kidnapper.

 

[lonetraveler]

One more thing, and I'm gonna shut up for the night. I'd be willing to bet that Mark Fuhrman could get Misty to talk, and wrap up this case in about a week. Regardless of what you think of him, he sure seems to take the clues and figure it out. I know this is a very controversial statement, and I expect to take a lot of flack for it, but this is my belief.

I like and respect Mark so you will not get any flack from me.

 

[Flow]

Mmmmmmmmmm

Thank you, Dr. Know? for that informative post. Mmmmmm

There are exceptions to the Sunshine law regarding Florida records. For one thing if it is part of an active investigation, they do not have to release them. Also they are not allowed to release records concerning a juvenile but that is not applicable for the phone calls IMO.

 

[1Chump]

There are exceptions to the Sunshine law regarding Florida records. For one thing if it is part of an active investigation, they do not have to release them. Also they are not allowed to release records concerning a juvenile but that is not applicable for the phone calls IMO.

I think Simon B. said on one of his radio shows or wrote in one of his blog posts that to obtain the recorded calls and visits from Putman would require submission of a FOIA [Freedom of Information Act] request to PCSO. I don't know if that is true or not just FYI.

Does anyone know if the active criminal cases are available for public viewing in Florida? Specifically, I would love to know what was in GGma Sykes letter in Ron's criminal case. Since the case is not sealed, I just cannot believe no one has mentioned that was in that letter.

 

[Emeralgem]

Chablis, I can't forget how they jumped on the "Joe did it" theory with all four's. And they did this without one shred of evidence. That doesn't say to me that they think Ron is involved. Tommy's version makes no sense, and Misty's version makes even less sense. Just days after the search is over, Misty admits that people have put that in her head. (not saying LE) Tommy admits he's only saying this because that's what they want him to say. (am saying LE) Misty says it's inmates that put it into her head, and I have to wonder if these are the kind of "snitches" Ron was warned about. In other words, they were planted in with Misty to get her to talk. If that's the case, why would you give Misty suggestions with no evidence? Misty says the Cummings are not saints, they all do drugs. What's that got to do with anything, unless she is trying to tell them something else. If I'm not mistaken didn't Misty actually say they need to look at Ron more closely? Maybe Ron and his family? Did I dream that up?

"They just need to move on!"

BBM.. LE had information from an LDT taken back in February Misty's story about Jo threatening her wasn't true.. Yet they allowed all that crapola out...
Hopefully someone cleans house down there...IMHO LE is purposely looking in places where they know Haleigh isn't.And IMHo the ONLY reason they are refusing to label this a cold case is to keep from having to reveal anything about this case...JMO

 

[Flow]

Does anyone know if the active criminal cases are available for public viewing in Florida? Specifically, I would love to know what was in GGma Sykes letter in Ron's criminal case. Since the case is not sealed, I just cannot believe no one has mentioned that was in that letter.

That is a very good question. I don't know if that would be available to the public. IMO [uneducated opinion] it should be if it has already been entered on the docket but may be it has to wait until there is a verdict or they announce No Information to the charges.

Lindsey wrote one to Tommy's judge for some early charge against him. I don't remember what the charges were but it was after the dog ordinance violation charge and after Haleigh went missing. I have never heard anything about what that letter said and I think that case was already settled or closed so it should be public now. I think.

eta - I do not think they will be announcing No Information on Ron's drug charges. I was trying to talk generally [about something I know nothing about. lol]

 

[1Chump]

That is a very good question. I don't know if that would be available to the public. IMO [uneducated opinion] it should be if it has already been entered on the docket but may be it has to wait until there is a verdict or they announce No Information to the charges.

Lindsey wrote one to Tommy's judge for some early charge against him. I don't remember what the charges were but it was after the dog ordinance violation charge and after Haleigh went missing. I have never heard anything about what that letter said and I think that case was already settled or closed so it should be public now. I think.

eta - I do not think they will be announcing No Information on Ron's drug charges. I was trying to talk generally [about something I know nothing about. lol]

That is kind of my problem...I don't know Florida procedures. I know in CA I could get copies of documents from active files by requesting a copy of a certain document than going back at another time to pick it up. I just had to know what document I needed. I could never "review" the file until the case was no longer active. Duh......that was before computers.

Now I would think all documents should be scanned into computers. I wouldn't think active should matter. Anyone should be able to just go to the court and review the documents on the computer.

 

[Flow]

That is kind of my problem...I don't know Florida procedures. I know in CA I could get copies of documents from active files by requesting a copy of a certain document than going back at another time to pick it up. I just had to know what document I needed. I could never "review" the file until the case was no longer active. Duh......that was before computers.

Now I would think all documents should be scanned into computers. I wouldn't think active should matter. Anyone should be able to just go to the court and review the documents on the computer.

LOL at first I thought you meant the Casey A case when I read CA.

 

[dodie20]

BBM.. LE had information from an LDT taken back in February Misty's story about Jo threatening her wasn't true.. Yet they allowed all that crapola out...
Hopefully someone cleans house down there...IMHO LE is purposely looking in places where they know Haleigh isn't.And IMHo the ONLY reason they are refusing to label this a cold case is to keep from having to reveal anything about this case...JMO

unless they think Tommy is the perp, & were setting him up for details-which makes sense, but nothing since the Joe stories, really supports that thinking. IDK about this LE. If they have evidence against Misty, I wish they'd charge her, so those of us looking at others, will stop. It's not fair to the innocent people. if there even ARE any completely innocent people. They ALL act guilty, & have the backgrounds, to support suspicions. glad I'm not LE, but if I was, I'd strive to be open minded.

 

[Gwen]

I think they needed TC back at Putnam so they could try out their new video visit thingamabob because they didn't have anyone there with experience already.

I totally agree Dodie. They have certainly allowed alot of the players in this case be defamed and violated that should not have been. All of them cannot be guilty. Lives are destroyed and it could have been avoided by naming a suspect or POI. Misty is the key doesn't get it for those of us who really make every effort to know the facts rather than see what news/gossip shows broadcasts. If Misty is just the key.....then who is the lock?
I really believe they just want this case to go away. I am not gonna be happy with drug convictions and sentences for the perps. I want a conviction for the death of Haleigh.

They have complained that media and bloggers have lied about facts in this case and polluted their chances at getting the truth. One might ask.....If it is only the players in this case, the families, and the media that have been less than truthful in the last 16 months?

Of course, this is all my humble opinion.:cow::cow::cow::cow:

 

[lonetraveler]

I think they needed TC back at Putnam so they could try out their new video visit thingamabob because they didn't have anyone there with experience already.

I totally agree Dodie. They have certainly allowed alot of the players in this case be defamed and violated that should not have been. All of them cannot be guilty. Lives are destroyed and it could have been avoided by naming a suspect or POI. Misty is the key doesn't get it for those of us who really make every effort to know the facts rather than see what news/gossip shows broadcasts. If Misty is just the key.....then who is the lock?
I really believe they just want this case to go away. I am not gonna be happy with drug convictions and sentences for the perps. I want a conviction for the death of Haleigh.

They have complained that media and bloggers have lied about facts in this case and polluted their chances at getting the truth. One might ask.....If it is only the players in this case, the families, and the media that have been less than truthful in the last 16 months?

Of course, this is all my humble opinion.:cow::cow::cow::cow:

I think you just nailed it in the bolded part. I think that is exactly what LE or someone higher up the ladder wants. They want Haleigh's case to just go cold and hope that people just accept that the person or persons who harmed Haleigh are behind bars for a long time and that is the end of the story. I think that is why no one has been arrested for harming Haleigh because then, it certainly would not go away.

 

[Concerned Papa]

This I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy_qYS8NC4g

God Bless the dedicated men and women of all Law Enforcement agencies trying to find her.

Papa

 

[Missingmeds]

Does anyone know if the active criminal cases are available for public viewing in Florida? Specifically, I would love to know what was in GGma Sykes letter in Ron's criminal case. Since the case is not sealed, I just cannot believe no one has mentioned that was in that letter.

I can tell you that some time back someone tried to get information by using the Sunshine Law and that went nowhere fast. The response was that because it was still an active investigation that they wouldn't release any information.

Now, I think that once there is a conviction you can get the records, but I am not sure on that. You could likely call the Clerk of Court and ask and get a reliable answer.

 

[lonetraveler]

It is really up to R.J. Larizza, the State Attorney for the 7th district (includes Putnam County). He is the one who decides whether or not to prosecute any crime committed within his jurisdiction.

He is an elected official (elected as State Attorney of the 7th district in 2008) and he answers only to the people of the 7th district.

We have already received a peek at what he was willing to do in regards to Ron Cummings allegedly committing intimidation of a witness with threat of bodily harm (ie., threatening Tommy Croslin with the beheaded rat in his mailbox after Tommy brought assault charges on him). as well as other criminal activites such as threatening another motorist with a gun and running him off of the road.

It is going to be interesting to see if the State Attorney is going to arrest anyone in the Haleigh Cummings case. I'm wondering if things would be different right now if it was an election year and his office was up for voting?