Blood on the Wall

[beesy]

I just finish a post where Beesy say there is no cast off blood on the wall. She say it is spatter from someone running. So how can this fit with a theory of seconc attack on Damon there. Where is this cast off blood?

I said I rembered it being spatter, not that it was. That's why I asked the question and started this thread

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Is it not possible for you to call Snooty out on all her rude remarks to me? I can take up for myself, as you well know, but as much as you call me out on it, do the same for her

Beesy, darlin. I'll be happy to "do the same for her," but I've been very swamped today and haven't had time to do much except skim the forum. If you'll be so kind as to either give me a few minutes or PM me with the post that you feel cross the line, I'll take care of it.

BEESY, I edited post 11, above. If I missed another post, please let me know. Also, I try to read everything, but ya'll please don't assume that I see everything. I'm human and sometimes things do slip past. Don't hesitate to PM me if you see a problem.

 

[beesy]

Beesy, darlin. I'll be happy to "do the same for her," but I've been very swamped today and haven't had time to do much except skim the forum. If you'll be so kind as to either give me a few minutes or PM me with the post that you feel cross the line, I'll take care of it.

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I deleted this, but I guess you saw it. Thank you muchly Jeana

 

[Jeana (DP)]

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Dang! You read it before I deleted it, or you can see the deleted posts. It's fine, I handled it, but don't delete cause it's so good. Thank you though..

I was responding when you tried to delete, so I guess it overrode your deletion.

Yes, the mods can see deleted posts though, but don't panic.

 

[beesy]

I was responding when you tried to delete, so I guess it overrode your deletion.

Yes, the mods can see deleted posts though, but don't panic.

hee hee, Thanks!

 

[beesy]

They did not even spray the rest of the couch or theother couch did they? So they had a reason to think that luminol woudl show up that more blood had been at that spot on the couch.

Why would they think the other couch was involved? Darlie did not claim to have been attacked on the other couch. There was some blood visible to the naked eye so they used the Luminol on the couch she claimed to be sleeping on. I'm sure they were curious at to why they didn't see more blood where said she was laying. They were certainly not expecting to see a small boy's handprint

They accuse Darlie of washing away the blood so that make me think that they find no smidged handprint but find the handprint only when they spray the luminol. Fresh blood can be wipe away with cloth and have the first imprint of it remain but be invisable until the luminol used. If there was a handprint and it was wiped away it is not evidence that Darlie is the one that did the wiping away is all I am saying. It is the conclusion of many but there is no evidence that says it is

As far as fresh blood being wiped away and being invisible until the Luminol is sprayed, well duh. That's why they use Luminol! To see if blood has been wiped or washed away. But maybe that's not what you are saying. Who else would have time to clean up the blood? Who else would have a reason? One or the other of the 2 adults in that house tried to clean up some of the blood. They both had plenty of reasons to attempt that. Darlie says the intruder ran out the UR door. When did he stop to clean up the counter? And don't say before he attacked Darlie because then you'll run out of time. Remember Damon has to stay alive during all of this, after being stabbed.

It is to be remembered that even when criminals wash away the blood so that the area look to be totally without blood luminol will show the blood up and it will not show smudges all the time but it will show handprints, footprints etc

Even if the handprints, etc have been wiped or washed away? So you're saying the Luminol would pick up the original print but not show it smeared or in a swirl as if it had been cleaned up? Try that one in court.

 

[beesy]

Here Snooty, I'll do some of your homework for you

Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
5225

1 is the hand print. You will recall, they cut it out. It
2 was Damon's hand print. It was a small palm print there
3 on the couch. Actually, I think it was right in this
4 area here.
5 They cut it out, the blood came back
6 to Damon, and you could see his little hand there. The
7 trouble is they didn't find that until after they pulled
8 the blanket up. You see that blanket had to be placed
9 there after he had walked through there.
10 We can tell from the DNA that Damon
11 moved some after he was stabbed. He sat down, probably,
12 you can see where the imprint of his pants were, and he
13 moved through here, and then, of course, wound up over
14 here.

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/volumes/vol-46.php

I'm confused. This testimony seems to say the handprint and "butt print" on the sofa were cleaned up. Sentence #5...since this is out of context maybe I'm misunderstanding it. ....psst: I sound like Snooty

 

[cami]

Oh the horrors! That poor child knew his mother was after him with a knife. What a sad, sad moment.

Yes he did and it is horrorific isn't it? The fact that she continues to lie and has him walking behind her and talking really creeps me out, she's a pure psychopath, continuing to lie in the face of evidence to the contrary. There's no way that dear child walked with six stab wounds in his back into his lungs and liver. He managed to get away from her before she or Darin gave him the coup de grace--the fatal stab wounds. He lay there for nine minutes dying watching his mother. I cannot shake the image of Damon. I'd like to administer the poison to Darlie myself some days.

 

[beesy]

Yes he did and it is horrorific isn't it? The fact that she continues to lie and has him walking behind her and talking really creeps me out, she's a pure psychopath, continuing to lie in the face of evidence to the contrary. There's no way that dear child walked with six stab wounds in his back into his lungs and liver. He managed to get away from her before she or Darin gave him the coup de grace--the fatal stab wounds. He lay there for nine minutes dying watching his mother. I cannot shake the image of Damon. I'd like to administer the poison to Darlie myself some days.

I can't shake it either. Especially Walling's or Waddel's, (the first cop there), account of Damon looking up at him, his big eyes pleading for help. I'm sure that haunts him. I know he said he felt his first duty was to guard the house, but it probably nearly killed him. He can be heard on the 911 tape yelling to Darlie "get a rag".

 

[cami]

I'm confused. This testimony seems to say the handprint and "butt print" on the sofa were cleaned up. Sentence #5...since this is out of context maybe I'm misunderstanding it. ....psst: I sound like Snooty

It's closing arguments and not testimony. It is confusing. The hand print on the sofa was not cleaned up. When they sprayed the luminol, it ran off the sofa taking the hand print with it.

 

[SnootyVixen]

Here Snooty, I'll do some of your homework for you

Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
5225

1 is the hand print. You will recall, they cut it out. It
2 was Damon's hand print. It was a small palm print there
3 on the couch. Actually, I think it was right in this
4 area here.
5 They cut it out, the blood came back
6 to Damon, and you could see his little hand there. The
7 trouble is they didn't find that until after they pulled
8 the blanket up. You see that blanket had to be placed
9 there after he had walked through there.
10 We can tell from the DNA that Damon
11 moved some after he was stabbed. He sat down, probably,
12 you can see where the imprint of his pants were, and he
13 moved through here, and then, of course, wound up over
14 here.

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/volumes/vol-46.php

Just what is it that you are trying to prove with this? They are not speaking of the couch here. Clearly they are speaking only of the carpet handprint. They did not cut anything from the couch, only the carpet. I do see that the transcript say couch but surely you can see that the talk is only of the carpet?

 

[SnootyVixen]

It's closing arguments and not testimony. It is confusing. The hand print on the sofa was not cleaned up. When they sprayed the luminol, it ran off the sofa taking the hand print with it.

But I bet you know this Cami. That the closing arguments do not mean anything? They can tell lies if they want to. It is not testimony and they have very very large latitude with what they can say and not have to prove. It is more like an actor giving a performance. For the defense too. Both sides always do this. So go on what the testimony was concerning these luminol testings and not what they say in closing arguments.

 

[SnootyVixen]

I think there were some blood droplets visible to the eye and that's why the luminol was used. No matter how anyone tries to sugar coat it or come up with reasons for this or that, there is simply NO getting over the fact that blood was cleaned up and Darlie's the ONLY person with a reason to do so. Intruders don't usually clean up after themselves when someone is chasing them out the door.

I disagree. Blood may have been smeared, and diluted with water and smudged or what ever. But just none of this is any sign of cleaning up. What there is here is smudged blood or wiped away blood where a desperately wounded little boy was trying to rise from the floor. No sign of cleaning up.
The second area is a sink and surrounding area where there is much evidence towels were used. There was blood visable in the sink. It was not all washed away. There was blood on the surrounding areas it was not all cleaned away. I do not see where this story of a cleanup as if Darlie was trying to wash away all evidence of blood ever happened. To me it is just silly. All the towels in the crime scene and all the blood drips into the towel drawer can certainly indicate to me that maybe blood got smeared around due to the handling of the towels.
Whether or not you wish to believe that she was wetting towels in the sink, there is clear evidence that she was doing something with a very large number of towels. The drawer where she keep her towels was hanging open with blood drops all inside it. They collected into evidence a huge number of towels from the crime scene and James Linch say in his testimony that they were bloody.
They should be glad I am not on that jury because I would be thinking real hard and have some questions about these funny stories.
To this day I still do not know if I think she is innocent or guilty. I just do not know. But I do know silly story when I read them.

 

[SnootyVixen]

No that's not a simple solution Snooty. There is only one way cast-off blood got on the back of Darlie's nightshirt. Damon's blood flew off that knife as she raised it, and landed on the back of her nightshirt over her own blood. There's no other explanation.

Yes there is. The cast off blood got on her when the knife was raised. It did not absolutely have to be her hand that held the knife. Just someone with a bloody knife slinging the blood around.

The cops do not need to invent a second stabbing so that Darlie is made to look guilty. They are professionals, trained to find these things no matter how much the perps try to hide them.

That is right. And that is why they did not invent a second stabbing. The forums invented that not the investigators.


I'm sorry I can't follow your post with the handprints. Why would Damon's print be found in blood in the carpet if he didn't try to rise? Darlie did not wipe the handprint from the couch, the luminol took it before it could be photographed. She probably was not aware of a handprint on the couch since it was dark green and the blood would not show up that easily.



I do not understand what you say either. Of course the handprint is on the carpet because he try to rise. Where did I say different? If I did it was an error because I never believe it. Darlie was accused of cleaning the handprint from the couch. It was not a visable handprint that they spray with the luminol. No need for luminol with a visable handprint. I am not going to say anything definate about luminol "taking" blood evidence and making it disappear but I will only say that it is not the usual way of luminol and not why luminol is used. It is supposed to show up and let them preserve this hidden blood evidence with photos.
Let me ask a question. What does the handprint on the couch say that means Darlie is guilty? Nothing that I can see. All it say to me is that Damon try to rise which is equally said by the other handprint on the carpet. I still do not understand why it was so much an issue.


I know the doctor doesn't say that there was two attacks on Damon based on the depth of his wounds. The doctor is not qualified to answer that sort of question so it would not be posed to him/her at trial.

And if not the coroner then who is qualified to answer this type of question?
Internet forum members?

 

[SnootyVixen]

I'm confused. This testimony seems to say the handprint and "butt print" on the sofa were cleaned up. Sentence #5...since this is out of context maybe I'm misunderstanding it. ....psst: I sound like Snooty

The butt print is on the carpet.

 

[deanws]

I disagree. Blood may have been smeared, and diluted with water and smudged or what ever. But just none of this is any sign of cleaning up.

WTH!?!?!:laugh: Diluted with water but not a sign of cleaning up!?!?:laugh: ...........ummmmmmm.....:laugh: ok!

 

[beesy]

Wow. Some of you need to consider the writing of screenplays. I do not know where you get this but from a fertile imagination.

What part of this post do you not agree with? Damon lived for 8-10 mins after the fatal wound, as per the coroner. Even if there was an intruder, Damon was able to look at his mother. By her words she was running back and forth between the sink and entry area. The first PO on the scene says Damon was looking at him. You don't agree that he could see his mother?

 

[beesy]

WTH!?!?!:laugh: Diluted with water but not a sign of cleaning up!?!?:laugh: ...........ummmmmmm.....:laugh: ok!

Of course not silly girl, not in La-La land

 

[beesy]

I disagree. Blood may have been smeared, and diluted with water and smudged or what ever. But just none of this is any sign of cleaning up. What there is here is smudged blood or wiped away blood where a desperately wounded little boy was trying to rise from the floor. No sign of cleaning up.
The second area is a sink and surrounding area where there is much evidence towels were used. There was blood visable in the sink. It was not all washed away. There was blood on the surrounding areas it was not all cleaned away. I do not see where this story of a cleanup as if Darlie was trying to wash away all evidence of blood ever happened. To me it is just silly. All the towels in the crime scene and all the blood drips into the towel drawer can certainly indicate to me that maybe blood got smeared around due to the handling of the towels.
Whether or not you wish to believe that she was wetting towels in the sink, there is clear evidence that she was doing something with a very large number of towels. The drawer where she keep her towels was hanging open with blood drops all inside it. They collected into evidence a huge number of towels from the crime scene and James Linch say in his testimony that they were bloody.
They should be glad I am not on that jury because I would be thinking real hard and have some questions about these funny stories.
To this day I still do not know if I think she is innocent or guilty. I just do not know. But I do know silly story when I read them.

There's a difference between wet, bloody towels and bloody towels. Noone places Darlie at the sink but Darlie. And for some reason she didn't tell LE she ran back and forth with wet towels until she saw they'd taken the kitchen sink.

 

[beesy]

But I bet you know this Cami. That the closing arguments do not mean anything? They can tell lies if they want to. It is not testimony and they have very very large latitude with what they can say and not have to prove. It is more like an actor giving a performance. For the defense too. Both sides always do this. So go on what the testimony was concerning these luminol testings and not what they say in closing arguments.

But you said this was not brought up at all by the prosecution. Cami is showing you that they did. Whenever the Darlies get trapped they say LE lied.