Body Language of AB's interview 2010.11.16 - 11:00 PM EST WBTV

[Peliman]

Just finished watching.

Ahmmm, well let me say this since I've edited this type of news story and it's components before. In the news world this is known as a package. The reporter was held to a 2:33 min timeline from start to finish. It's actually one minute longer than generally allowed for time slots.

It's nothing but sound bytes from AB and a reporter telling his story. Because of this it's very possible everything AB said could be taken out of context. It's already reported the interview lasted 90 minutes. Most of that should be raw footage unless the video-journalist ran out of batteries for the camera.

LE needs to subpoena the raw footage ASAP as it maybe destroyed 3-7 days from now depending on the news stations policy. So far everything else has hit the cutting room floor. I do tend to expect to see more at some point because in my view the package shown was weak. It was all the reporters take on things, it wasn't even a good tease. JMO

Think about it a second if it was you trying to convey your story and some reporter only took 20 seconds of snippets of what you said and the context to which that sound byte was taken.

BTW: I know we would all like to see the raw footage but don't count on it. Lawyers are at work from different angles.

Word for me tonight is subpoena

 

[pip]

And when they show him watching the memorial, barely any tears in his eyes, yet he is a bit dramatic in his kleenex eye swabbing... ala Casey all the way.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

He closes his eyes two or three times when asked if he harmed or dismembered his daughter. He didn't do it at the rest of the interview (that we could see). Too painful to contemplate? or to cover his eyes? I can't tell.

 

[pip]

He closes his eyes two or three times when asked if he harmed or dismembered his daughter. He didn't do it at the rest of the interview (that we could see). Too painful to contemplate? or to cover his eyes? I can't tell.

I think it is to cover his eyes.. he fears the interviewer will see the truth in his eyes.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Sorry, but Adam's mom gives me the creeps, holding on to his arm & saying people just don't understand. She's one of those moms who will stand by her boy no matter what he has done (& I bet she's glad Elisa's out of the picture for now too)

Yes, it's enmeshment isn't it...

 

[lauriej]

Just finished watching.

Ahmmm, well let me say this since I've edited this type of news story and it's components before. In the news world this is known as a package. The reporter was held to a 2:33 min timeline from start to finish. It's actually one minute longer than generally allowed for time slots.

It's nothing but sound bytes from AB and a reporter telling his story. Because of this it's very possible everything AB said could be taken out of context. It's already reported the interview lasted 90 minutes. Most of that should be raw footage unless the video-journalist ran out of batteries for the camera.

LE needs to subpoena the raw footage ASAP as it maybe destroyed 3-7 days from now depending on the news stations policy. So far everything else has hit the cutting room floor. I do tend to expect to see more at some point because in my view the package shown was weak. It was all the reporters take on things, it wasn't even a good tease. JMO

Think about it a second if it was you trying to convey your story and some reporter only took 20 seconds of snippets of what you said and the context to which that sound byte was taken.

BTW: I know we would all like to see the raw footage but don't count on it. Lawyers are at work from different angles.

Word for me tonight is subpoena

BBM--

..the interview was not 90 minutes.

"Our reporter spent the past 90 minutes with Adam Baker and his attorney. They watched the vigil for the girl together ... then Adam Baker answered the questions everyone has been asking."

...although i do agree that when a reporter "puts together" a piece using both the original interview and his own voice over-----it tends to question the statements ----were they whole ? snippets ?

 

[rbrnmw2]

bolded by me..

I agree with you....my question to him would be when he says he wants to go home.....Don't you want to stay and find the person responsible who did this henious act upon your daughter.......????

That statement says Volumes to me.......If he was TRULY innocent, he would want to turn the state upside down looking for the killer/helping the LE convict the murderer....... and FORGET about going home...Bring about justice for your little daughter......moo

playing devil's advocate He already knows who did this to his daughter his wife. She did tell them where the evidence and little Zahra'a remains were. and to be fair these locations except for the home were all places EB was familiar with She picked out the places she felt most comfortable I doubt AB knew those locations well if at all.

 

[NancyA]

I don't know what is wrong with people here. Can't you see AB is innocent, it was all down to EB and his mother is nothing like CA???

No? Oh ok, I can't see any of that either. :innocent:

Frankly, it was 2 minutes and 33 seconds I'll never get back, learned nothing I didn't already know.

 

[Clue Hopper]

Just finished watching.

Ahmmm, well let me say this since I've edited this type of news story and it's components before. In the news world this is known as a package. The reporter was held to a 2:33 min timeline from start to finish. It's actually one minute longer than generally allowed for time slots.

It's nothing but sound bytes from AB and a reporter telling his story. Because of this it's very possible everything AB said could be taken out of context. It's already reported the interview lasted 90 minutes. Most of that should be raw footage unless the video-journalist ran out of batteries for the camera.

LE needs to subpoena the raw footage ASAP as it maybe destroyed 3-7 days from now depending on the news stations policy. So far everything else has hit the cutting room floor. I do tend to expect to see more at some point because in my view the package shown was weak. It was all the reporters take on things, it wasn't even a good tease. JMO

Think about it a second if it was you trying to convey your story and some reporter only took 20 seconds of snippets of what you said and the context to which that sound byte was taken.

BTW: I know we would all like to see the raw footage but don't count on it. Lawyers are at work from different angles.

Word for me tonight is subpoena

I was thinking as I was watching it, that this is only part of it. A very small part. If he was a blubbering fool answering questions, they would not show that. They would want audible footage. Clear and precise.

He also came off to me as my father in-law. Taught that men do not show emotion. It is a sign of weakness. I guarantee you if my father in-law was to give an interview after something happened to one of his children or grand children, he would be calm, cool, collected and very professional about it all. Even calmer than AB.

I was thinking about that last night, how various people in my life respond to things. My father would be doing everything possible to get his hands on that woman. My mother would be an emotional wreck and probably have to be sedated. One of my sons would be out there searching every inch of every forest and not giving up until he found every piece of evidence and then say give her the chair and let me throw the handle. So really it depends on the person and their own way of dealing with things.

 

[Donjeta]

I think I'll wait for more before acquitting him. This was not particularly convincing. Lots of blinking, intonation in one NNOOO was somewhat awkward.

What does Mother mean when she says people don't know?
It was a bit creepy where he included the words Zahra, left and hole in the same sentence. I think he intended to say something else, because he paused for a long time.

I wish they'd shown the raw footage but I suppose his lawyer put a stop to that. Bet he chose Adam's shirt too.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I know Adam has been accused of nothing at this point and certainly is not on trial other than in the court of public opinion, BUT, to me his voice is too flat and too meek. Where is the outrage that his only child, a part of him, was dismembered and thrown away like garbage? If innocent, where is his vow to get justice for Zahra no matter how long it takes? His lawyer has groomed him, IMO.

As for his mother, I see a woman in denial and one that will stand by him.

It seems Adam just wants all of this to just go away. Well, it won't. I am not impressed with his first cleaned up public appearance.

MOO's

 

[NancyA]

You have a point, Clue Hopper, some people do keep themselves very tightly controlled as far as letting any emotion show and I can see AB is probably not one of the world's more demonstrative or touchy-feely people. My husband is one such, but he has his 'triggers' and while it's not exactly a dam breaking there's something, a catch in his voice, his eyes cloud over, his shoulders tense, he takes a deeper breath....something. It brought to mind Kaine Horman who is also another very tightly wound and controlled person but in him there's visible tension in the set of his shoulders, an almost defeated, hopelessness in his eyes and strain around the mouth, his child is missing and you can tell he's desperately trying to hold it together. I saw nothing of that there in AB whose child is dead and dismembered just that flat, wide-eyed 'who me?' assumed earnestness of someone trying to convince you they didn't do it.

 

[Clue Hopper]

I'm not saying this is AB's mothers feelings or anything of that nature. I will however tell you how I myself came across to others.

It was said I was in denial. I was very emotional, I was very angry. Here was my little boy, my flesh and blood accused of something I knew in my heart he did not commit. My little boy sitting there, trying to be tough, I could see in his eyes his hurt, his desperateness as though he was a toddler needing his mommy. I was very protective and came off to some as very callus. When my son's charges were dismissed and his case was dropped. People changed their attitude. All of the sudden I was the parent that never gave up hope. I was the one that stood by my innocent son. How did it make me feel? It made me feel as though people want to believe the worst in someone, until it's shown they are not as bad as they once believed. To hear your child be called a murderer, when you know they are not, makes you begin to feel a hatred towards people. Especially when people begin to say God knows and he will punish you. It makes you feel like saying, yes God does know and he will punish you.

For a moment, try and put yourself in KB's shoes. Your grand daughter that you took care of through cancer, was found dismembered, by a woman your son was married too. Your son (whom you now see as though he is a toddler) is being called a murderer, a monster, people want him not only behind bars, but dead. How exactly would you act? How would you feel? What would you be willing to share with the world that has cast stones at you?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

HICKORY, N.C. — Adam Baker cried Tuesday night while watching a vigil for his daughter, Zahra Baker, and denied killing the 10-year-old, according to WBTV.

Baker decided to watch the vigil online instead of attending it, he said, because he thought people would make a scene and call him names.

"I didn’t want everybody to take their focus off Zahra," he said.

WBTV reporter Steve Ohnesorge interviewed Baker and his mother, who was at his side for support, as they watched the vigil online and asked Baker if he killed and dismembered his daughter.

"There’s no way in the world that I would ever hurt my daughter," Baker said. "No, there’s no way I could do that to my baby.”

more
http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/8637299/

I'm torn, again...I don't know what to think with AB..I don't know if this was all EB and someone she enlisted..AB did shed tears but remember men are the stronger sex and don't often cry.

My heart aches for Zahra and don't want an innocent person in prison. I do get a sense of his not hurting Zahra but how could he look the other way for so long. Which is where I'm torn...he'd have to have been deaf, dumb and blind not to see the abuse precious Zahra received via EB...JMHO

Justice for Zahra

 

[Donjeta]

His mother may know something we don't know that makes her absolutely convinced that AB is innocent but if I was looking at one of my children in a situation like this where their stories changed and didn't add up the first time, I'm not 100% sure that I could sit there at an interview and not have a flicker of doubt in my mind that my child had something to do with it.

 

[NancyA]

I'm not saying this is AB's mothers feelings or anything of that nature. I will however tell you how I myself came across to others.

It was said I was in denial. I was very emotional, I was very angry. Here was my little boy, my flesh and blood accused of something I knew in my heart he did not commit. My little boy sitting there, trying to be tough, I could see in his eyes his hurt, his desperateness as though he was a toddler needing his mommy. I was very protective and came off to some as very callus. When my son's charges were dismissed and his case was dropped. People changed their attitude. All of the sudden I was the parent that never gave up hope. I was the one that stood by my innocent son. How did it make me feel? It made me feel as though people want to believe the worst in someone, until it's shown they are not as bad as they once believed. To hear your child be called a murderer, when you know they are not, makes you begin to feel a hatred towards people. Especially when people begin to say God knows and he will punish you. It makes you feel like saying, yes God does know and he will punish you.

For a moment, try and put yourself in KB's shoes. Your grand daughter that you took care of through cancer, was found dismembered, by a woman your son was married too. Your son (whom you now see as though he is a toddler) is being called a murderer, a monster, people want him not only behind bars, but dead. How exactly would you act? How would you feel? What would you be willing to share with the world that has cast stones at you?

With respect, I don't know your story, I can only imagine how I'd feel if my child were accused of a crime I KNOW he didn't commit and I can see you feel very strongly the injustice of false accusations and suspicions.

I do feel sorry for KB, she has indeed lost the beloved granddaughter I suspect she played the largest part in bringing up and caring for, and I'm sure she doesn't want to think that her son might have been involved in this horrible crime against his own daughter, but the fact is if nothing else he was responsible for putting her beloved granddaughter in this situation. Same as with CA and ICA, there seems to be no blame attached for anything AB has done, it's all someone else's fault.

 

[Capri]

Yes, it's enmeshment isn't it...

Ok, so I had to look up "enmeshment" to make sure I knew what it really means.

http://www.soulwork.net/sw_articles_eng/enmeshment.htm

Enmeshed Love

Do you you worry people will leave you?
Do you claim you can't look after yourself?
Do you you stay in bad relationships? Do you try to prove you're good enough?
Do you know which people are good for you - and which not? Do you worry if people love you?
Do you accept abuse to stay close to certain people?


You may allow or even invite people hurt and humiliate you, perhaps in similar ways that your parents hurt you. You may not trust yourself, your feelings, your decisions or other people. Yet you may trust untrustworthy people. You may find yourself oscillating between being passive and aggressive.You may feel confused about your problems, but avoid solving them. You may hide, lie about and protect your problems. You may pray for your problems to go away and you may seek someone who can "magic" away your problems - for few days anyway. But long-term change is not that easy.

That seems to sum up AB, sadly.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I know Adam has been accused of nothing at this point and certainly is not on trial other than in the court of public opinion, BUT, to me his voice is too flat and too meek. Where is the outrage that his only child, a part of him, was dismembered and thrown away like garbage? If innocent, where is his vow to get justice for Zahra no matter how long it takes? His lawyer has groomed him, IMO.

As for his mother, I see a woman in denial and one that will stand by him.

It seems Adam just wants all of this to just go away. Well, it won't. I am not impressed with his first cleaned up public appearance.

MOO's

BBM

Can YOU imagine the meek and mild AB we heard last night trying to run BB and her husband off the road with his car? I can't. True, he hasn't been convicted of that crime...and I'll wait to see how that plays out in court...but it does make me wonder if this docile little doormouse thing is all an act.

JMO

 

[Clue Hopper]

With respect, I don't know your story, I can only imagine how I'd feel if my child were accused of a crime I KNOW he didn't commit and I can see you feel very strongly the injustice of false accusations and suspicions.

I do feel sorry for KB, she has indeed lost the beloved granddaughter I suspect she played the largest part in bringing up and caring for, and I'm sure she doesn't want to think that her son might have been involved in this horrible crime against his own daughter, but the fact is if nothing else he was responsible for putting her beloved granddaughter in this situation. Same as with CA and ICA, there seems to be no blame attached for anything AB has done, it's all someone else's fault.

I can tell you, that alibi's, information that proves someone was somewhere else, information that isn't gathered about someone, yet leads to someone else. The general public will not know. Lawyers will advise for the defendant and those close to the defendant not to leak that information because it could cause a difficulty in the case. Remember the prosecution has the burden of proof and must share all information with the defense. None of this has happened as of yet, because no one has been charged. So for anyone to prove their innocents to the public right now is not going to help anyone.

 

[rbrnmw2]

HICKORY, N.C. — Adam Baker cried Tuesday night while watching a vigil for his daughter, Zahra Baker, and denied killing the 10-year-old, according to WBTV.

Baker decided to watch the vigil online instead of attending it, he said, because he thought people would make a scene and call him names.

"I didn’t want everybody to take their focus off Zahra," he said.

WBTV reporter Steve Ohnesorge interviewed Baker and his mother, who was at his side for support, as they watched the vigil online and asked Baker if he killed and dismembered his daughter.

"There’s no way in the world that I would ever hurt my daughter," Baker said. "No, there’s no way I could do that to my baby.”

more
http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/8637299/

I'm torn, again...I don't know what to think with AB..I don't know if this was all EB and someone she enlisted..AB did shed tears but remember men are the stronger sex and don't often cry.

My heart aches for Zahra and don't want an innocent person in prison. I do get a sense of his not hurting Zahra but how could he look the other way for so long. Which is where I'm torn...he'd have to have been deaf, dumb and blind not to see the abuse precious Zahra received via EB...JMHO

Justice for Zahra

I know I am the same with AB, You wouldn't think anyone is so naive that they couldn't see the things EB was doing. I knew a woman who could get men to believe anything but I could see right through her. She could get men fighting each other over her lies and she loved it. It made me sick. She would also lie on other people to their spouses she broke up a marriage by lying on a man she told his wife they were having an affair and she was pregnant. She told one of my friends it wasn't true she just hated the wife and she thought it was funny that she was so stupid and believed her. I think EB is very much like that woman, she also thinks she has pulled a fast one on everyone, that's why until I see evidence of AB's guilt I will remain neutral I think he may have helped but I haven't seen proof the 911 call bothers me but some people do odd things when stressed and he may have gotten use to EB making things up to keep drama going so he wasn't sure if maybe this was another game she was playing