Book released by Defense Atty Nov 2015 #1

[Steve44]

HOPING the fallout came when Nurmi was forced to tell investigators what he knew about the duo's role in facilitating improper or illegal contact between the killer and fans or witnesses.

GUESSING that bad feelings arose when Nurmi thought he was being singled out by haters and fans to hate and the rouged duo were being increasingly idolized by fans?

Or the rouged duo tsked- tsked him for not being appropriately worshipful of the goddess and he blew up at them?

Good guesses. The man doesn't have many friends, and he isn't likely to make any new ones with his book.

Reading it is like watching a loser losing.

 

[Hope4More]

His book is making me consider the 'fact' that he seems to see child sexual abuse everywhere he looks.

Actually....he doesn't deserve that benefit of the doubt. FGS, this man specializes in the area of child abuse and child rape and defends pedophiles.

He knows there is no evidence that Travis was a pedophile. NONE. Zero, nada. And there is equally zero suggestion from anywhere other than his warped mind that Travis was sexually abused as a child.

He also knows - because he seems to be using it against Travis elsewhere in his book-thing that Travis was plenty interested in women. Not girls, not boys, women, which Nurms knows is entirely inconsistent with pedophilia.

The man is scum.

 

[ElleElle]

I don't know how to multiquote.

Zuri, I LOLed at three "whole" wonder. I had never seen that before. But yes, on page 185, he mentions that TA calls her a "3 whole wonder."

H4M, I am not sure who the intended audience is, truth be told. I think he is trying to do a pre-emptive strike of when JM shows the world what a terrible attorney/person he is. The book jumps around a lot. I don't think it is intended to be a book for those who know nothing about JA, though. The book is very condescending. A lot of "if you don't know what I mean by that, let me try to explain" followed by two pages of explanation most people could have handled in 2-3 sentences.

Steve44, you are making me LOL.

So. For those of you with access to BK's site, what is it that people think is so great about this book? It is really just a the world according to KN book, nothing more than that.

BK states that throughout trial knurmi did not have a "following" as did Juan, and because he was her defense lawyer his was "guilty by association" even though nobody really knew nothing about him.

She also says Juan got a lengthy delay approved for a capital case to do a book tour.

She is also unsure if Juan can write a book about a case that is still on appeal.

The comments are mainly if BK is either pro prosecution or pro defense.

That's what stood out to me.

 

[Wing Ding]

Do you have any idea when he and the......(i will behave).....ladies had a falling out? Later as after the trial?

And...do I understand that right? He, the attorney, is grovelling after MDLR the ethically challenged foul mouthed contractor mitigation specialist to regain HER respect?


Interesting, your take on that disconnect. I wonder if that kind of disconnect (to a lesser degree) is typical for defense attorneys? I bet being able to compartmentalize would be a useful and maybe even necessary skill. How else could one feel energized enough to get up each morning to defend the indefensible?

Maybe defense teams are under more pressure because they almost always don't have the truth on their side, and they are forever scrambling to make something out of nothing each day in court. I can only imagine that when you have a she-devil beast for a client like Jodi, and your only defense in court are nothing but lies, and the defense team itself seemed to be so clueless, personality problems will eventually develop within. Going to court each day for Jodi's defense team must have been like the Bill Murray movie, Groundhog Day.

I guess when people work so closely and intensely with one another, it can be like a marriage. And sometimes not a good one when people begin to disagree with each other, but you can't just walk away from the conflict until the trial is over. And by then, sometimes the damage is done.

Robert Shapiro said the OJ defense dream team had a falling out, and he didn't speak to F. Lee Bailey, Johnny Cochran and Alan Dershowitz ever again after the criminal trial. He said that was mainly because Cochran and Bailey played the race card, and did it from the bottom of the barrel. But just when you might think Shapiro had some scruples, he added that if we were in the courtroom every day and heard the testimony the jury heard, we'd reach the same conclusion that the jury did, so screw him, too.

 

[ElleElle]

"The sex tape also made me consider the fact that Mr. Alexander might have had a sexual interest in children because in this tape he compared Ms. Arias' orgasm to that of a 12 year old girl. He also talked about corking the pot of a 12 year old girl. It never made any sense to me why he would say such things if he did not have such an interest. With my experience as a sex crimes attorney and my knowledge of his background I felt that if he had such an attraction he had likely been a victim of sexual abuse as a child. Could I conclude any of this definitively? No, but the evidence pointed in that direction." p. 280

Ok... This is "dirty talk", lots of people do it. It is not a crime unless it is with an underage person. I can't even take the pedo crap anymore.

 

[G&AMom]

HOPING the fallout came when Nurmi was forced to tell investigators what he knew about the duo's role in facilitating improper or illegal contact between the killer and fans or witnesses.

GUESSING that bad feelings arose when Nurmi thought he was being singled out by haters and fans to hate and the rouged duo were being increasingly idolized by fans?

Or the rouged duo tsked- tsked him for not being appropriately worshipful of the goddess and he blew up at them?

Reading here inspired me to finally subscribe to Karas on Crime and I read a lot of the documents she has available. One of them is the hearing held to determine if the judge would close the courtroom when Jodi testified during the retrial.

Reading between the lines, it seems pretty apparent that Nurmi and Wilmott had different arguments about why the courtroom should be closed. Wilmott argued that Jodi got a lot of threats and that some of those people probably were in the courtroom, thus Jodi was scared. Nurmi argued that Jodi's "mental illness" prevented her from defending herself and thus violated her civil rights.

Nurmi and Wilmott didn't give the impression that they were working well together, although this was obviously pretty late in the game. Makes you wonder what other disagreements they had about trial strategy and so on.

It was also quite obvious that Nurmi couldn't stand Jodi (he flat out said so) while Wilmott at least acted all buddy-buddy with Jodi right up to the end.

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[ElleElle]

Thank You Steve, you have nailed it. Nurmi is the unethical attorney and why BK doesn't think so, brings up a lot of questions I would like her to answer. But of course she won't or else she will give a wordy Nurmi answer that doesn't answer at all. The COA said it all: Martinez has no ethical restrictions about discussing the arias case, just as the spokesman from MCAO said. What part of that response from the COA does BK not understand????

BBM ~ knurmi withdrew from the case once she was sentenced. Remember? No sign of him, just JW being interviewed outside the court house. He wanted nothing to do with JA, and JSS let him withdraw. So, his hands are clean of her. JMO

 

[Hope4More]

"The sex tape also made me consider the fact that Mr. Alexander might have had a sexual interest in children because in this tape he compared Ms. Arias' orgasm to that of a 12 year old girl. He also talked about corking the pot of a 12 year old girl. It never made any sense to me why he would say such things if he did not have such an interest. With my experience as a sex crimes attorney and my knowledge of his background I felt that if he had such an attraction he had likely been a victim of sexual abuse as a child. Could I conclude any of this definitively? No, but the evidence pointed in that direction." p. 280

Poor Nurmi. What's a defender of pedophiles to do? He wants to justify how low he sunk to defend his client. In his mind he must think it helps if he says he actually believed his client that the man she killed was a pedophile.

But, oops. Isn't that saying he thinks pedophiles are so vile that murdering them is understandable? And that even the threat of accusing a dead man in court of pedophilia should have been enough for the State to back down?

Oops. This by a attorney who wants pedophiles to flock to him as clients? Oops.

 

[minor4th]

HOPING the fallout came when Nurmi was forced to tell investigators what he knew about the duo's role in facilitating improper or illegal contact between the killer and fans or witnesses.

GUESSING that bad feelings arose when Nurmi thought he was being singled out by haters and fans to hate and the rouged duo were being increasingly idolized by fans?

Or the rouged duo tsked- tsked him for not being appropriately worshipful of the goddess and he blew up at them?

Maybe they were pissed at him for writing a book?

 

[Steve44]

BBM ~ knurmi withdrew from the case once she was sentenced. Remember? No sign of him, just JW being interviewed outside the court house. He wanted nothing to do with JA, and JSS let him withdraw. So, his hands are clean of her. JMO

But he hasn't washed them yet, and he wants everyone to see the mud before it's gone.

 

[Hope4More]

Sorry, Pink. Still bugged by his 4 pages on being glad the gun and knife weren't found.

You say he believes it was a 2nd degree murder, no premeditation. Wouldn't it be the case then that he should have been DELIGHTED to find the weapons? Hoped that he would? Pressed his client to try to remember where she discarded them?

After all, finding the gun and determining it was not the gun stolen from her grandfather could have helped undermine JM's case for premeditation.

All of which Nurmi knows. So why go there at all? Much less for 4 pages???

 

[Hope4More]

Last thought on Nurmi and his book (I promise). (For today at least).


I don't believe for a minute that JM will attack Nurmi in his book; certainly not personally. He resisted sinking to that level during the heat of trial, even when being subjected to relentless and direct accusations against him by Nurmi that maligned him personally and as opposing counsel.

All the more ironic if Nurmi rushed on his book fearing JM's book would make him look bad. No worries, Nurmi. You've already accomplished that , again, all by your lonesome self.

 

[Steve44]

Last thought on Nurmi and his book (I promise). (For today at least).


I don't believe for a minute that JM will attack Nurmi in his book; certainly not personally. He resisted sinking to that level during the heat of trial, even when being subjected to relentless and direct accusations against him by Nurmi that maligned him personally and as opposing counsel.

All the more ironic if Nurmi rushed on his book fearing JM's book would make him look bad. No worries, Nurmi. You've already accomplished that , again, all by your lonesome self.

The contrast between Martinez's book and Nurmis book will be similar to the contrast between Martinez's expert witnesses and Nurmis expert witnesses.

In other words, Class vs. Crass.

 

[samspace070]

But he hasn't washed them yet, and he wants everyone to see the mud before it's gone.

Exactly Steve, and he has two more of these slime, lying books coming out. Many over on BK site can't wait for the next one. On the other side, I am waiting with baited breath to hear what Juan has to say.

 

[samspace070]

Last thought on Nurmi and his book (I promise). (For today at least).


I don't believe for a minute that JM will attack Nurmi in his book; certainly not personally. He resisted sinking to that level during the heat of trial, even when being subjected to relentless and direct accusations against him by Nurmi that maligned him personally and as opposing counsel.

All the more ironic if Nurmi rushed on his book fearing JM's book would make him look bad. No worries, Nurmi. You've already accomplished that , again, all by your lonesome self.

I agree with you Hope, In the interview JM had with TH after the sentencing, he never said one bad word about anyone on the DT. And TH asked enough questions to nudge him into. But he took the high road, because he is just what he appears to be, an ethical good prosecutor fighting for justice.

 

[samspace070]

The contrast between Martinez's book and Nurmis book will be similar to the contrast between Martinez's expert witnesses and Nurmis expert witnesses.

In other words, Class vs. Crass.

Right on:drumroll:

 

[Steve44]

Last thought on Nurmi and his book (I promise). (For today at least).


I don't believe for a minute that JM will attack Nurmi in his book; certainly not personally. He resisted sinking to that level during the heat of trial, even when being subjected to relentless and direct accusations against him by Nurmi that maligned him personally and as opposing counsel.

All the more ironic if Nurmi rushed on his book fearing JM's book would make him look bad. No worries, Nurmi. You've already accomplished that , again, all by your lonesome self.

I don't believe Martinez will attack Nurmi or anybody in his book. Yet, it will make Nurmi look bad. How? Because it will tell the truth, no fog, no slime, just self-evident, recognizable truth.

 

[samspace070]

LIBEL

I understand anything you say in court is exempt from Slander charges but Nurim wrote derogatory statements about a lot of people, ie; Dr. DeMarta. Deanna, the Hughes, and the entire Arias family and last but not least JM. That is Libel by definition. Just saying people could sue. Not Juan, he wouldn't but I hope Deanna or DeMarta does.

 

[Wing Ding]

Sorry, Pink. Still bugged by his 4 pages on being glad the gun and knife weren't found.

You say he believes it was a 2nd degree murder, no premeditation. Wouldn't it be the case then that he should have been DELIGHTED to find the weapons? Hoped that he would? Pressed his client to try to remember where she discarded them?

After all, finding the gun and determining it was not the gun stolen from her grandfather could have helped undermine JM's case for premeditation.

All of which Nurmi knows. So why go there at all? Much less for 4 pages???

Makes sense to me, too. A knife matching the ones that were in Travis' kitchen and a different .25 Auto handgun (Travis' perhaps, lol) would seem to indicate no premeditation on the part of his delightful princess of a client.

So far it seems like Knurmi's e-book is Knurmi doing what Knurmi does best... droning on, ad nauseum.

He may be trying to save face and rehabilitate himself like he did his "expert" witnesses at trial, but all he's doing is subjecting himself to even more scorn and ridicule. We may understand a little more about what happened behind the scenes, but I still have no sympathy or empathy for him. He's still despicable and contemptible in every way.

But will I buy a pre-signed copy of Mr. Martinez' book? You bet I will!! And would I try to get Jodi to also sign it for $50 in Snickers money? I just might!

 

[T-4-2]

I haven't posted in ages, but just wanted to add my two cents to the discussion about Nurmi's adventures in self-publishing. (I wonder if his former client's creative writing skills rubbed off on him. I would certainly never want anything of Jodi's to rub off on me. Ever. Ew.)

Right at the end of The Importance of Being Earnest, Oscar Wilde refers to a "manuscript of a three-volume novel of more than usually revolting sentimentality." The typical Victorian "three-volume novel" could be expected to be light on story and skill, heavy on words. Read the Wikipedia article for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-volume_novel

I can't imagine there's much sentimentality in Nurmi's writing. Self-aggrandizement and un-righteous indignation though? Hell yeah. (Or as the PPLers might say, self-edification -- "edify" in PPL-speak means to inflate a higher-up's knowledge, business savvy, and all-around fabulousness, so that when you arrange for a potential recruit to speak with Mr. or Ms. Hot Stuff -- often during a conference call -- the potential recruit will be super-duper impressed.)

But none of this is my point. Obviously Nurmi is doing this for money, he's doing it to one-up Juan (Hey Juan, mine's bigger!), aaaaaand he's doing it for attention. He's pulling on his loudest sock-tie combo and jumping on the ALV pity-party bandwagon. He knows that regardless of what he actually writes (basically), the reaction on social media will be swift, vitriolic, and massive. The fall-out will be the story.

And you can mark my words on that.