Bosma Murder Trial 02.04.16 - Day 4

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Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:30 AM
This was parked outside at a condo in Toronto. Not inside parking with a fab needed to get in. It wasn't locked.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:28 AM
There was a fifth wheel hitch used to tow a trailer on Palmili's truck too.

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 28s28 seconds ago

Palmilli asked and confirms truck was parked in an openly accessible area, where anyone could walk up and look in. #MillardSmich

 

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Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:33 AM
Sachak zeroing in on the mumbling of the caller's name. “It wasn’t something that was so suspicious because you made arrangements to see him,” he says to Palmili.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:31 AM
Palmili says he asked the caller twice to give his name, but never asked him to spell it.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:30 AM
This was parked outside at a condo in Toronto. Not inside parking with a fab needed to get in. It wasn't locked.

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago

"Did you ask (caller) to spell his name?" asks #Millard lawyer. "No," says Palmilli. Repeats later he mumbled, lowered voice when asked name

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago

Palmilli being asked to look at his May 8 witness statement to @HamiltonPolice now. #MillardSmich

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 45s45 seconds ago
#Millard lawyer confirms with Palmilli his police statement mentioned nothing about caller lowering tone of voice, mumbling when asked name.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Palmilli says statement accurately reflects what he told police that day. #Millard lawyer points out no mention of called "lowering voice."

 

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Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:39 AM
Moody objects, says there is a second statement to police about why Palmili didn't understand the caller's name. Justice Goodman says questioning is okay, as this is about this specific statement.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:37 AM
But he did say in the statement he couldn't understand him.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:36 AM
Palmili says that is correct.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:36 AM
In the statement Palmili gave police, it doesn't say anything about the tone of voice, or mumbling Sachak says. “But you indicated those three things to the members of this jury today.”

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
#Millard lawyer points out Palmilli says in statement caller has "deep, masculine voice" throughout call.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
"I asked his name...I asked him twice because I couldn't understand him...Still can't understand," reads #Millard lawyer from statement.

 

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Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:42 AM
Dungey now up to cross examine for Smich.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:42 AM
Crux of cross examination from defence is that first statement was the more accurate one.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:41 AM
Sachak saying that when second statement was made, Palmili knew about Bosma's disappearance.

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 20s20 seconds ago
#Smich lawyer asks Palmilli "he didn't state clearly, my name is Dellen, Dellen #Millard, did he?" Palmilli replies "no."

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
#Smich lawyer asks Palmilli if caller only lowered voice when he asked his name and asked again. "Correct," Palmilli keeps replying.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
#Millard lawyer completes cross-exam. #Smich lawyer Tom Dungey begins his.

 

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Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:46 AM
“This person never said in clear loud english ‘My name is Dellen,’ did he?” Dungey asks, gesturing to Millard. Palmili says no. Dungey now done. Crown is back up now, asking questions about the security of the condo parking lot.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:43 AM
Dungey zeroing in on the mumbled name. “Only when it comes to his name -- only his name -- all of a sudden he lowers his voice and he mumbles it.” Dungey says. "Correct," Pamili says.

 

[andreww]

Has anybody figured out what the basis for Millard's not guilty plea is? His lawyer doesn't seem to be denying anything or even be trying to cast any doubt on what has been presented. Are these guys just hoping there will be a plea deal of some sort at some point? I just don't get it.

 

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Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:47 AM
Crown asking if this first statement is the first time Palmili had spoken to police and if he was a little nervous. He says yes. Palmili now done. 5 minute recess up now.

Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 10:46 AM
There are two cameras pointing at the lot, Palmili says he thinks, but he's not sure about how secure it is.

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Palmilli's testimony is complete. #MillardSmich

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Crown now new-examining Palmilli. Asks if any security around where his truck was parked. 2 cameras, says Palmilli. #MillardSmich

 

[Kamille]

Has anybody figured out what the basis for Millard's not guilty plea is? His lawyer doesn't seem to be denying anything or even be trying to cast any doubt on what has been presented. Are these guys just hoping there will be a plea deal of some sort at some point? I just don't get it.

So far we're just talking about a guy making arrangements to buy a truck with various sellers. DM is not disputing that. He will pass off the burner phone and fake name as "for his privacy and protection", even though he walked up to a stranger's home, from an online ad, in a rural area with no way to get out quickly. Maybe that's why he brought MS with him?...just in case he was in danger...and that's probably also why MS brought a gun right?...well according to DM's version. Anything can be twisted and likely it will be. He's an innocent dupe dontcha know?

This will be a he said/he said case. Hopefully his antics in the courtroom for the first few days before he was reigned in have shown the jury just what kind of guy they're dealing with here.

MOO

 

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Has anybody figured out what the basis for Millard's not guilty plea is? His lawyer doesn't seem to be denying anything or even be trying to cast any doubt on what has been presented. Are these guys just hoping there will be a plea deal of some sort at some point? I just don't get it.

Maybe not saying he's totally innocent of something just saying it wasn't first-degree murder, which is the charge against him.

(not my opinion - I think he's 100% guilty)

 

[ADAWG]

Maybe not saying he's totally innocent of something just saying it wasn't first-degree murder, which is the charge against him.

(not my opinion - I think he's 100% guilty)

I agree they are trying to say he didn't intend to kill someone it was the a surprise to him and the other parties idea

The problem I have with that theory is that at some point after the murder Smich or Millard left the car to drive the Yukon. At this point if his intentions were not to kill why did he not just take off and talk to the police. Instead he stripped a car, burnt a body, intended on taking the truck to a body shop, had the keys in his car, purchased a burner phone, owns an animal incenarator on a farm with no animals, and the list continues. If I didn't intend to kill someone I wouldn't be the one using my properties to try cover it up.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I agree they are trying to say he didn't intend to kill someone it was the a surprise to him and the other parties idea

The problem I have with that theory is that at some point after the murder Smich or Millard left the car to drive the Yukon. At this point if his intentions were not to kill why did he not just take off and talk to the police. Instead he stripped a car, burnt a body, intended on taking the truck to a body shop, had the keys in his car, purchased a burner phone, owns an animal incenarator on a farm with no animals, and the list continues. If I didn't intend to kill someone I wouldn't be the one using my properties to try cover it up.

Not to mention parking a truck with a murdered man's blood still inside it in your own mother's driveway.

 

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Adam Carter
Feb 4 2016 11:05 AM
Justice Goodman now back in. Waiting on the jury.

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 15s15 seconds ago
Next witness: Arthur Jennings. #MillardSmich

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Recess is over, court is now back in session once jury gets here. #MillardSmich