Bosma Murder Trial 02.18.16 - Day 11

[Kamille]

Curious how they contained the flames, it looks to me like the entire field could have caught fire? That one spot looks almost perfectly square.

Welcome sab_bri :welcome:

It was May? Field was probably pretty damp still. I think we also determined that it had rained that week.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 10:55 AM
The larger bone that was found in the eliminator was a human left radius, which is a bone in the forearm, Rogers says. "This bone is normally straight, but in this picture, it's quite curved. This is because of fire damage. This bone had been exposed to fire -- high temperature."
Adam Carter

 

[redheart]

It was May? Field was probably pretty damp still. I think we also determined that it had rained that week.

MOO

Plus, just corn stubble left.

 

[redheart]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 25s25 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
We are looking at an extreme close up of a bone. Slide 6. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 21s21 seconds ago
Close up of radius for size and shape. Human bones longer and thinner than animal. Human limbs not weight-bearing, due to being upright.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s34 seconds ago
Rogers walking jury through photos of 2 bones found and explaining the distinctions btwn human and animal bones. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 10:57 AM
The second, smaller bone that was found was a human metacarpal, which is a bone in the palm of the hand. Rogers says she couldn’t tell if it was a left or right, or which one exactly because of damage.
Adam Carter

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 25s25 seconds ago
She's explaining the heat damage to the bone. Interior of bone exposed.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12s12 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
"We can see there is damage, and the interior is exposed," says Dr. Rogers as she points to the screen with a large pointer stick #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14s14 seconds ago
Bone is 70 per cent mineral. Can't completely disintegrate when burned. Can fracture and crack.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 16s16 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15s15 seconds ago
Looking at shaft of radius, hollowed out.
The bone split while it was being burned. Slide 8. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 11:00 AM
The bone's joint surfaces helped tell Rogers that the bones were human. Because we stand upright, our upper limbs aren't used for weight bearing like an animal's would. “So the joints in humans look very different than the joints in animals," Rogers says.
Adam Carter

Feb 18 2016 11:00 AM
“These were, in fact, human bones," she says.
Adam Carter

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s37 seconds ago
Seeing metacarpal. She points out knuckle.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 5s5 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Slide 11. Humans most grip and flex, Dr. Rogers explains, as we look at the wrist bone. Animals use theirs for speed, power #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18s18 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
"This is clearly human bone," Dr. Rogers testifies #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 11:01 AM
“Most people think that when a body is burned it will disintegrate or totally turn to ash, but that's not what happens," Rogers says. Bones are mostly mineral, so when the water in the bones burns out, they warp. “It sometimes becomes fractured and cracked as the bone is drying out.”
Adam Carter

***Hope she's indicating that there were a lot more cremains than what they found in that incinerator.

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8s8 seconds ago
May 12 she goes to @HamiltonPolice and sees photos of Eliminator for first time.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 5s5 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Slide 13. We're looking at a bone inside The Eliminator #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 11:02 AM
The curvature in bones are different in humans and animals too, which helped Dr. Rogers determine they were human.
Adam Carter

 

[redheart]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18s18 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Court entered motion NOT to make bone photos public. But about 150 people in the gallery, mostly Bosma's friends and family, can seem them.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6s6 seconds ago
Dr. Rogers eventually crawls inside The Eliminator to collect evidence, beginning May 13, 2013 and ending May 16.

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 11:04 AM
On May 13, Rogers and Sgt Huys examined the incinerator itself on the farm. That examination went on there until the 16th.
Adam Carter

 

[Kamille]

Court now seeing more photos of the eliminator.
Adam Carter

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 24s24 seconds ago
She made plan about how to recover bone fragments from Eliminator. Was going to remove everything from bottom first, then top.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5s5 seconds ago
Seeing more photos of the Eliminator. Including looking down into it. Inside are concrete heating tubes.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15s15 seconds ago
Rogers is now explaining how she planned the removal of evidence from the incinerator. We see different angles of the Eliminator #TimBosma

 

[RandomName479]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18s18 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Court entered motion NOT to make bone photos public. But about 150 people in the gallery, mostly Bosma's friends and family, can seem them.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6s6 seconds ago
Dr. Rogers eventually crawls inside The Eliminator to collect evidence, beginning May 13, 2013 and ending May 16.

I absolutely appreciate how difficult this must be for the family/friends of the victim. Just curious why they would object to this specific evidence being released and not say blood evidence? Thoughts anyone?

 

[ArianeEmory]

I absolutely appreciate how difficult this must be for the family/friends of the victim. Just curious why they would object to this specific evidence being released and not say blood evidence? Thoughts anyone?

I know they consider the bones and ash to be all that was left of Tim.

 

[redheart]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 35s35 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
"Most of the materials, the remains, are concentrated on the left side," Dr. Rogers tells jury #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 27s27 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dr. Rogers and Sgt Huys created a number of packets to protect the remains from damage #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Would remove, label, photograph, pack each fragment. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 11:07 AM
The were some bone fragments in the bottom part of the incinerator, Rogers says. They figured out a plan to examine the main hatch and the bottom of the device.
Adam Carter

Feb 18 2016 11:08 AM
There are thick cement tubes on the inside of The Eliminator.
Adam Carter

Feb 18 2016 11:08 AM
While examining it, Huys and Rogers numbered the tubes. The seventh tube near the wall is where most of the bone material was caught up.
Adam Carter

 

[redheart]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 44s44 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Highly careful work, wrapped in several layers, then placed into a case #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s10 seconds ago
Rogers explaining how each fragment, remain, was removed from eliminator and protected, labelled, stored. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3s3 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Court sees a photo of a pan, ziplock baggy. Dr Rogers said there was so much ash and debris she used a broom to sweep them up as evidence.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 19s19 seconds ago
Each tube "I swept it clean," says Rogers showing photos of dust pan, brush and fragments. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18s18 seconds ago
Rogers worked with @HamiltonPolice Det Huys; scraped every bit of matter from the incinerator, labelled them & packed them for travel