Bosma Murder Trial 02.29.16 - Day 16

[Velma]

Bosma couldn't be excluded as the source of the blood on the tarp. There's a one in 300 million chance it comes from someone else.
by Adam Carter 4:16 PM

There's a one in 300 million chance it comes from someone else.
by Adam Carter 4:17 PM

 

[RandomName479]

In my opinion, it is quite possible. Consider this quote from today's testimony.



Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Now the other side of same glove seized from Millard on arrest. Blood stain that was insufficient for DNA testing.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16s16 seconds ago
Now second glove. Stains from three individuals. Cannot get a DNA profile.

end of quote

If it meant 3 blood stains from 3 different individuals, it could be from WM, LB, and TB. If it meant 3 different dna traces that were stained to examine them, then it could mean that 3 different individuals wore those gloves. Can anyone else add more clarification ? I am not a forensic specialist.

My understanding is that the stains were from TB, CN and DM.......MOO

 

[Velma]

"Tissue-like material" that might have been skin or flesh was found inside the passenger side door, Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 4:19 PM

Bosma couldn't be excluded as a source of the DNA profile of the "tissue-like material." The chances of it coming from someone else is 1 in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:20 PM

 

[swedie]

You think he used the same gloves for all 3 alleged murders?

It wouldn't surprise me if he used them for LB's murder also....frugal Freddie kwim. MOO.

 

[raining]

"Tissue-like material" that might have been skin or flesh was found inside the passenger side door, Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 4:19 PM

Bosma couldn't be excluded as a source of the DNA profile of the "tissue-like material." The chances of it coming from someone else is 1 in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:20 PM

Oh this poor, poor family.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

For now I'm not seeing the significance of DM's DNA being on DM's man-purse, but I suppose we'll find out.

Thanks to transcribers.

Im thinking the " blood stain" found is the significant part.

 

[Velma]

Another stain was found on the rear passenger door, and again, Bosma's DNA couldn't be excluded. The chances of it being someone else is 1 in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:22 PM

Court now looking at bloodstains found on the rear wheel well on the passenger side.
by Adam Carter 4:23 PM

 

[Kamille]

They needed them for clean up on the Thursday evening/night prior to loading TB's truck into the trail. IIRC LE showed up at the hangar early Friday morning. DM not being an early bird and lacking sleep didn't help him to think straight thank goodness hahaha.

So it seems that once DM got wind of AJ going to CS or LE Thursday later in the day, he was in a mad rush to get TB's truck somewhat cleaned up and the heck out of the hangar, hide the incinerator in the trees, he used CN to do all this.

WHERE WAS MS FROM TUESDAY ONWARD TO HELP DM? DM had to call upon CN to help him instead. IMO MS was staying as far away as possible from this criminal mess DM had made. MS probably only followed DM back to the farmland, and then just helped DM put TB's body in the incinerator, then following him to the hangar because it was DM's Yukon he was driving. Then waited with DM at the hangar, while the incinerator did it's thing because MS had no way of leaving, no transportation. I would imagine MS might have been in a state of shock (once DM shot TB) and just went along with DM fearing for his own life. Could that be why he took MM with him the one day to the hangar? MS figured with MM along DM wouldn't take the chance of doing anything to the two of them together? MOO.

We learned from the phone evidence that MS was at the hangar Thursday night. We did not hear that CN (or at least her phone) was to my knowledge. It appears that DM dropped off MS in Oakville after loading the truck in the trailer and then proceeded to Etobicoke and met up with CN. At least that's how the phone evidence made it seem.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 27s28 seconds ago
Blood stain on passenger door. Insufficient DNA.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 41s41 seconds ago
Bloodstain on inside passenger door tested. Insufficient DNA. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Two spots on door looked like tissue: ie skin, flesh, which actually flaked off and were tested. #Bosma cannot be excluded as source.

Annie J. ‏@sensibleapron
.@susanclairmont All these “insufficient DNA” results are disappointing. Hope they saved the best, affirmative DNA result for last.
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Susan Clairmont Retweeted Annie J.
Some tests insufficient, but many result in "cannot exclude" results. You need to recognize the difference.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
2 tissue-like blood spots found in that same panel of the inside passenger door also tested. Again #Bosma could not be excluded as source.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 57s57 seconds ago
Susan Clairmont Retweeted Annie J.
There is no such thing as an "affirmative" DNA result.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s39 seconds ago
Bloodstain on rear passenger door. Tim #Bosma cannot be excluded as source.

 

[Velma]

Here, there was insufficient DNA to profile. But it did test positive for human blood.
by Adam Carter 4:24 PM

Now seeing bloodstains on the chrome step on the passenger side door.
by Adam Carter 4:25 PM

Bosma's DNA couldn't be excluded here either. Again, the random match probability is one in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:25 PM

Court now hearing about swabs done on the passenger door. There was a bloodstain found on the rear passenger armrest. Again, Bosma's DNA couldn't be excluded. The random match probability was one in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:27 PM

Now looking at bloodstains on the truck's muffler. Bosma couldn't be excluded as a source -- again, the chance that it was someone else is one in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:28 PM

 

[Gibson67]

We learned from the phone evidence that MS was at the hangar Thursday night. We did not hear that CN (or at least her phone) was to my knowledge. It appears that DM dropped off MS in Oakville after loading the truck in the trailer and then proceeded to Etobicoke and met up with CN. At least that's how the phone evidence made it seem.

MOO

so how in the heck did her DNA get on the gloves unless he threw them to her to help him move something at the farm...I'm just not really understanding why she needed to really touch anything..he picked her up, dropped off the trailer..then they hooked incinerator up and moved it to tree stands..why would she need gloves? I'm sure he would have hooked unhooked trailer/incinerator. Perhaps she played more of a part in the cleanup?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 31s31 seconds ago
More stains on chrome step, passenger side of #Bosma truck. Blood detected, cannot exclude Bosma as DNA source.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s18 seconds ago
Bloodstain on chrome step passengers side. #Bosma cannot be excluded as source.

Chad Dunn ‏@dunner2009
@susanclairmont "exclude"? What does this mean? It's possible or not?
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 45s46 seconds ago
Susan Clairmont Retweeted Chad Dunn
It means Bosma cannot be excluded as source but there is a chance someone else could be source. Thus the RMP.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Now bloodstains on muffler.#Bosma cannot be excluded as source.

Susan ClairmontVerified account
‏@susanclairmont Susan Clairmont Retweeted Annie J.
Understanding DNA evidence isn't easy. Scientists talk probability -- not matches.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Blood found all over truck, including muffler, and rear door, was from #TimBosma (1 in quadrillions chance it was someone else)

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 35s36 seconds ago
Blood on undercarriage of passenger door. #Bosma cannot be excluded as source.

 

[Velma]

Now looking at blood found on the lip of the passenger door at the undercarriage. Bosma again could not be excluded. Random match probability is one in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:31 PM

Blood was detected in the rear tire treads, but it was insufficient for DNA analysis.
by Adam Carter 4:32 PM

Now looking at blood on one of the axles. Again, Bosma couldn't be excluded. The random match probability is one in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:32 PM

Okay, I know it *could* be someone else's blood, but come on... 1 in 18 quadrillion... how often do we even use the word 'quadrillion'? Seems like a pretty safe bet.

 

[Typhoo1961]

so how in the heck did her DNA get on the gloves unless he threw them to her to help him move something at the farm...I'm just not really understanding why she needed to really touch anything..he picked her up, dropped off the trailer..then they hooked incinerator up and moved it to tree stands..why would she need gloves? I'm sure he would have hooked unhooked trailer/incinerator. Perhaps she played more of a part in the cleanup?

I hate saying this (don't even want to think about it) but someone had to clean Tim's cremains out of the incinerator. I doubt DM did it alone if he did it at all. MOO

 

[Kamille]

For now I'm not seeing the significance of DM's DNA being on DM's man-purse, but I suppose we'll find out.

Thanks to transcribers.

Because TB's blood was found on his man purse? Just proving its his and not someone else's. How does the victims blood get on your murse if you have nothing to do with this?

MOO

 

[Typhoo1961]

How does the victims blood get on your murse if you have nothing to do with this?

MOO

Osmosis?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Passenger side rear axel, blood detected. #Bosma cannot be excluded as source.

SeanLPU16 ‏@slaga85
@susanclairmont were they unable to exclude Tim from any of the DNA on the gloves found on DM when arrested?
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Susan Clairmont Retweeted SeanLPU16
If you look back at my earlier tweets you will see a mix of DNA on gloves.
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s21 seconds ago
Susan Clairmont Retweeted SeanLPU16
There were stains from several sources Sean.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Blood on rear driver side door and on two pieces of trim - Bosma cannot be excluded as source.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Also blood to left of the glove box and near cup holder cannot exclude Bosma as source.

 

[Velma]

Now looking at a bloodstain to the left of the glove box. Bosma couldn't be excluded. Again, the random match probability is one in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:36 PM

A DNA profile was also obtained at the bottom of a cupholder on the driver's side. Bosma couldn't be excluded, and the chance of it coming from someone else is one in 18 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 4:38 PM

 

[Kamille]

so how in the heck did her DNA get on the gloves unless he threw them to her to help him move something at the farm...I'm just not really understanding why she needed to really touch anything..he picked her up, dropped off the trailer..then they hooked incinerator up and moved it to tree stands..why would she need gloves? I'm sure he would have hooked unhooked trailer/incinerator. Perhaps she played more of a part in the cleanup?

Maybe she wiped down the incinerator at the farm before it was moved? :dunno: