Bosma Murder Trial 02.29.16 - Day 16

[ArianeEmory]

During the testimony today did we ever hear anything about the murse having blood that was tested for DNa? I wasn't sure if I missed something?

I posted a few hours ago that I was confused about the murse and I'm still confused. I understand DM's DNA and a bloodstain were on it. I'm not clear that Tim's DNA was on it. Maybe I missed a tweet.

Also: ugh, re the muffler and the axle. :/ I tend to reject the most horrific ends of the spectrum when we're just speculating, and I'd really hoped any blood on the underside of the truck was from animal road kill. (I'm sorry to type that.) WTH did they do?

 

[Ironworker736]

If I'm following its:
- Gloves with DNA from DM, CN, and "unknown male" (MS, SS, or TB..?)
- DMs Satchel/Murse with DNA from DM (and TB?)
- Cigs at the hangar with DNA from MS and MM (but SS uncle said MS came there often; wasnt employees tho)

... no DNA linking murder to MS ... ?
... no charges for MM or SS ...?

Tim Bosma's DNA profile could not be ruled out as one of the DNA profiles found on the black nitrile gloves. The chances of it coming from someone else is one in 2.2 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 3:07 PM

 

[swedie]

The only thing that tested with DM's DNA was his man purse, correct? RP will probably argue that MS used it.

ooops and the black gloves in his pocket.

HTH flipflop.
Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2h2 hours ago
Millard's DNA could not be excluded from the inside of the black nitrile gloves, Sloots says. #HamOnt #Bosma #TimBosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2h2 hours ago
Chances of it coming from someone else is one in 610 trillion. #HamOnt #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[Obes99]

Maybe, but it just seems weird that this guy is cautious enough to use a burner phone and buy an incinerator to cleanly dispose of his mess, but he's carrying around dirty gloves and keys in his pocket.

Burner phone and incinerator were thought of before the crime. I suspect he didn't factor in the heat would be on him so quick after the fact, if at all. And that's where he's sloppy. Again very consistent with a narcissist personality.



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[swedie]

I posted a few hours ago that I was confused about the murse and I'm still confused. I understand DM's DNA and a bloodstain were on it. I'm not clear that Tim's DNA was on it. Maybe I missed a tweet.

Also: ugh, re the muffler and the axle. :/ I tend to reject the most horrific ends of the spectrum when we're just speculating, and I'd really hoped any blood on the underside of the truck was from animal road kill. (I'm sorry to type that.) WTH did they do?

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2h2 hours ago
Court now seeing a canvas diesel shoulder bag that was seized. A blood stain was found on the bag. #HamOnt #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[Gumshew]

Tim Bosma's DNA profile could not be ruled out as one of the DNA profiles found on the black nitrile gloves. The chances of it coming from someone else is one in 2.2 quadrillion.
by Adam Carter 3:07 PM

Seemingly damning odds, but RP can still play the inaccuracy card. Or maybe there will be no DNA accuracy dispute. Maybe the strategy will be that DM was trying to secure evidence the guilty party/ies were trying to destroy, or that he was securing evidence because he realized he was set up to be framed...

Read the link below on widely believed non fallible DNA accuracy and how probability can be wrong.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/accuracy-dna-matches-definitively-identify-suspects-questioned

 

[Deleted member 102539]

No that was IT who said the taller guy had a man purse. IT is the military guy who took them for a test drive May 5th, the day before TB was murdered. HTH and MOO.

bbm

... of whom we never saw a respectable photo!

 

[ArianeEmory]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2h2 hours ago
Court now seeing a canvas diesel shoulder bag that was seized. A blood stain was found on the bag. #HamOnt #TimBosma #Bosma

But they never said the blood was Tim's, right? Or did they?

 

[Kamille]

I posted a few hours ago that I was confused about the murse and I'm still confused. I understand DM's DNA and a bloodstain were on it. I'm not clear that Tim's DNA was on it. Maybe I missed a tweet.

Also: ugh, re the muffler and the axle. :/ I tend to reject the most horrific ends of the spectrum when we're just speculating, and I'd really hoped any blood on the underside of the truck was from animal road kill. (I'm sorry to type that.) WTH did they do?

I don't think it was clarified if the bloodstain on the bag was tested and what the results were but cansleuther posted on page 16, post 231, that the canvas bag found in the Yukon is not a diesel bag. And both AC and SC said today that the bag in question was a Diesel bag found at 5 Maple Gate, not a Chevignon bag found in the Yukon. So it would be important to establish DM's connection to that bag if that blood stain was TB or if there is something else coming from that bag. Did he switch it out for a reason that week?

MOO

 

[jash]

Does anyone recall if DM smokes?

I have no clue but it appears a lighter was found in the Yukon upon his arrest.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2HcLKBpswT4UDdFTW1nZXA2REE/view - slide 14

 

[Obes99]

I haven't read any theories about why DNA was found on the undercarriage and maybe it's too gruesome for people to imagine but I suspect it may have been to help the body fit into the incinerator better. I apologize if that's too offensive to imagine but it is the most likely conclusion.


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[Ironworker736]

Seemingly damning odds, but RP can still play the inaccuracy card. Or maybe there will be no DNA accuracy dispute. Maybe the strategy will be that DM was trying to secure evidence the guilty party/ies were trying to destroy, or that he was securing evidence because he realized he was set up to be framed...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/accuracy-dna-matches-definitively-identify-suspects-questioned

Or simply that the gloves alone don't link him to the actual murder, just to the removal of the bloody truck interior, but I agree...damning odds already with much more to come IMO

 

[Kamille]

I have no clue but it appears a lighter was found in the Yukon upon his arrest.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2HcLKBpswT4UDdFTW1nZXA2REE/view - slide 14
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And no cigarettes...

MOO

 

[Gumshew]

bbm

... of whom we never saw a respectable photo!

If it helps, someone told me he reminds them of Fedor Emelianenko.

 

[LoyalSleuth]

I hate saying this (don't even want to think about it) but someone had to clean Tim's cremains out of the incinerator. I doubt DM did it alone if he did it at all. MOO

I don't think there would be blood left at the stage of this though...

 

[Tealgrove]

The only thing linking MS to this so far is DNA from a cigarette butt found at the hangar correct? So far he's managed to stay in the background in the whole scenario. I wonder if it's the Security Video that is the real evidence that puts him in it? Waiting patiently for the pieces of the puzzle to come together.

 

[swedie]

Interesting theory. In this case, is MS guilty of 1st degree murder?

Yes, according to Canadian law he is. According to MM his then girlfriend, MS told her they were going to steal a truck. IF that was MS's only intention, truck theft, but during the heist, TB was murdered, MS is still responsible and liable. IF he was an innocent dupe, he should have gone to LE ASAP and told them what happened and he wouldn't be in the position he is in now.

Perhaps TD is trying to get MS's charges reduced to second degree. We'll have to wait and see what charges are on the table at the end of the trial, when the judge reads them to the jurors prior to them deliberating. MOO.

Classification of murder

231 (1) Murder is first degree murder or second degree murder.

Marginal notelanned and deliberate murder

(2) Murder is first degree murder when it is planned and deliberate.

Marginal note:Contracted murder

(3) Without limiting the generality of subsection (2), murder is planned and deliberate when it is committed pursuant to an arrangement under which money or anything of value passes or is intended to pass from one person to another, or is promised by one person to another, as consideration for that other’s causing or assisting in causing the death of anyone or counselling another person to do any act causing or assisting in causing that death.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-231.html

 

[Bsafe]

uggggggggggggg
Feb 29 2016 3:12 PMWho those people are is "resolved in the future," Sloots says. We're dealing with a report he wrote some time ago.:rollercoaster::tantrum:
now leave us to speculate lol

Actually I think a book at this point would be suitable - eventually the world will need to hear about all of the evil done by DM and his crowd. A book will bring it all together in way that separate trials may not.

IMO MOO

 

[LoyalSleuth]

She didn't kill anyone. This trial is to show that DM and MS are guilty of murder. Once that is done, perhaps other charges will be brought forth.

I don't think so... Just because there was a cigg butt with MM's DNA on it, doesn't mean she was apart of the mruder or clean up. AJ put MM & MS at the hangar prior to the murder, she could have smoked a cigg then...

IMO, MM did kow about the murder, but I believe she was honest once she was taken into custody, and that is why she has not been charged. I believe she will be the one of the most compelling witnesses for the crown...

 

[ArianeEmory]

I don't think it was clarified if the bloodstain on the bag was tested and what the results were but cansleuther posted on page 16, post 231, that the canvas bag found in the Yukon is not a diesel bag. And both AC and SC said today that the bag in question was a Diesel bag found at 5 Maple Gate, not a Chevignon bag found in the Yukon. So it would be important to establish DM's connection to that bag if that blood stain was TB or if there is something else coming from that bag. Did he switch it out for a reason that week?

MOO

I sense that I'm annoying people by being persistent about this, but isn't it odd that they didn't follow up on the satchel bloodstain DNA, or do we think they just didn't have time today?