Bosma Murder Trial 03.02.16 - Day 18

[Bsafe]

It looks like LB in the slide with the yellow toolbox

Thanks AE- I just noticed that dog on Slide 46 of ABro's deck- my heart sank- IMO, it sure looks like LB's dog.
https://docs.google.com/presentatio...lXFyWyCdHr42Ho/edit?pref=2&pli=1#slide=id.p68

 

[kramkat]

It's two separate photos. The one above I believe I saw posted online and it was LB in a purple tank top holding her puppy. I'll see if I can find a link.

All MOO.

ETA: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ry_leaves_family_in_a_horrible_situation.html

The picture in the star link of LB, just sent shivers down my spine. First, the pics of the dog(s) have very common features. Very well could be the same pup.
EDIT: Seeing closer up pics, I see the differences of the dogs. I also have an update on the forum where this question was answered that family has the dog.
Now, the girl in the picture with the yellow toolbox, could that be LB?

https://docs.google.com/presentation...=1#slide=id.p4

 

[Ironworker736]

Do you think there will be more testimony regarding the findings on these devices, possibly detailed text messages? IIRC Peel region was also involved in this part of the investigation. Could someone from their unit be scheduled to present that evidence?

 

[Sleepy Villager]

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rsbm means respectfully bolded by me.

Thank you!! This has driven me crazy forever!

 

[brightii]

The picture in the star link of LB, just sent shivers down my spine. First, the pics of the dog(s) have very common features. Very well could be the same pup. Now, the girl in the picture with the yellow toolbox, could that be LB?

https://docs.google.com/presentation...=1#slide=id.p4

As Abro informed us, LB left her dog with her parents, and the photo of the dog we see here tonight was taken a couple of months later, IMO. It is not likely the same dog.

The photo you're referring to doesn't look like LB to me, but she does look like a friend of MS and MM, IMO. The girl I'm thinking of is the one who got upset when interviewed on camera right after MS was arrested, IMO.

BTW, the link you added doesn't work for me. Maybe the photo has been removed since I saw it earlier?

All MOO.

 

[matou]

[h=1]Tim Bosma Murder Trial: What police found on Millard’s and Smich’s computers | EXHIBIT #84[/h]
[video=youtube;cfO7B9rgltE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfO7B9rgltE&list=UUnsj4TU7mOQ-4l2HOaRekgA&index=1[/video]

 

[kramkat]

As Abro informed us, LB left her dog with her parents, and the photo of the dog we see here tonight was taken a couple of months later, IMO. It is not likely the same dog.

The photo you're referring to doesn't look like LB to me, but she does look like a friend of MS and MM, IMO. The girl I'm thinking of is the one who got upset when interviewed on camera right after MS was arrested, IMO.

BTW, the link you added doesn't work for me. Maybe the photo has been removed since I saw it earlier?

All MOO.

I edited my post - finally got refreshed with new posts. Yes, I see the "differences" in the pups.
As for the link, check a few posts back, it is there under someone else's post. To me, it looks like the same lips, teeth and gum line between LB in the star picture and the one in the slides. :moo: I will edit when I get the link again.
**I can not open the slides, as the links from previous posts now ask for you to request permission

 

[brightii]

She posted that 18wks ago. Around Nov 2015. 2.5 years since all this went down. Why would it be anything to do with DM? I hardly think she's still pining over a man she has not been able to contact for almost 3 years. Life does go on for most 20 year olds. (the age she was in 2013).

MOO

I hear you, Kamille, but IMO CN was/is not a typical young woman. I don't think many, if any, of those involved or associated with MS and DM behave as most young people would, IMO.

It's hard for me to imagine anyway.

All MOO.

 

[JPC]

The Millard house on Maple Gate was a dump....nothing indicating any great wealth there.

The computer in the main floor office was covered in dust...wonder where it had been.

Everything about DM reeks of faded glory and better days gone by. The house, the cars, the toys, the electronics are all used, dated and cheap. The notion of him being some aviation heir like a modern day Howard Hughes or Richard Branson are erroneous and laughable. It adds some mystique to an otherwise horrible and tragic story.

 

[palisadesk]

wow, finally caught up! So, a couple of questions: with respect to Dungey's tantrum about Banks not being there in person originally, then showing up today.. Obviously the crown hadn't initially planned on his being there. Did they bring him in based on Dungey's reaction? And can they bring anyone in anytime? Or did they always plan to? Does each side have to declare their subpoenaed people before trial begins?

In no particular order.....
1) The Crown must disclose all evidence it plans to present to the defense, long before the trial. This would include witnesses planned. The defense has no reciprocal obligation to disclose what they plan to present or what witnesses they plan to call.

Here's a summary of the rules of disclosure:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Procedure_and_Practice/Disclosure

(2) We can't say whether the Crown brought in Officer Banks because of Dungey's reaction or for some other reason. As for can they bring in anyone anytime? The answer is, yes, BUT. They can bring in an unplanned witness, but this would be one of the "legal arguments" presented to the judge in the absence of the jury. The judge would rule on whether the new witness can be called.

3) It would appear that the Crown intended to bring in Banks' evidence, but thought it sufficient to have that presented by another member of the investigation team. Obviously they revisited that thinking but it may or may not be related to Dungey's reaction.
4) Defense doesn't have to submit its witness list to the Crown by way of disclosure; it does however have to get the judge's ruling on these witnesses but I'm not sure at what point in time this occurs, though it would likely be before a trial begins.

5) Retired police officers. This wasn't part of your post but many have said what is it with all these retired police officers!!

There is no epidemic. I find the number of retired (since the events of the crime) officers involved to be par for the course. Consider these factors:
-- a high-profile case like this involves many senior specialized police experts with much experience, training and service. Few rookies would be involved at important levels. Thus, a non-representative sample of the various forces is engaged on this case, and many of these officers have 20 years or more in their fields. Thus, many are closer to retirement age for that reason.
-- OPP, for one, and other local forces are similar, in that an officer can retire with full pension after 25 years of service. Their salaries are quite good (and they deserve them) but IIRC an OPP neighbour told me his pension would be 70% of his pay pre-retirement (the formula was a little more complicated, but that was the gist). So, many retire at younger than usual ages - as young as 50 - and go into other lines of work if they wish, as many do. Or they can "retire retire" - take up golf or fishing or whatever turns their crank.

 

[GeneHunt]

Try again. Second time got me into the presentation.

ETA: I think we'll see a lot more computer evidence in the next bit.

 

[matou]

In some photos in the slideshow or youtube video, it looks like DM was attempting to make his hair look like his dad's did. The photo he used of his dad for the obituary is there. Was he ridiculing his dad?

 

[brightii]

I edited my post - finally got refreshed with new posts. Yes, I see the "differences" in the pups.

As for the link, check a few posts back, it is there under someone else's post. To me, it looks like the same lips, teeth and gum line between LB in the star picture and the one in the slides. I will edit when I get the link again.

Hi kramkat: Thank you. I just tried to access the google docs as linked originally here from a post a few pages back, and it's now restricted. I would have to ask for permission to access it and I don't want to do that.

Maybe the photo is of LB and that's why I can't access it?

In any case, I was thinking the photo looked like CD, a friend of MS's who appears in a video (scroll to the 2nd video mid-page) to see who I mean. She's named in MSM so I hope it's ok to post this.

All MOO.

ETA: Sorry, kramkat - I had forgotten to add this link before!

http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/

 

[brightii]

Try again. Second time got me into the presentation.

ETA: I think we'll see a lot more computer evidence in the next bit.

Thank you so much, GeneHunt! I just tried to access the google docs as posted on page 27 of this thread and I'm in!

All MOO.

 

[jash]

wow, finally caught up! So, a couple of questions: with respect to Dungey's tantrum about Banks not being there in person originally, then showing up today.. Obviously the crown hadn't initially planned on his being there. Did they bring him in based on Dungey's reaction? And can they bring anyone in anytime? Or did they always plan to? Does each side have to declare their subpoenaed people before trial begins?

Also, what the heck does rsbm mean?!

[/B]

rsbm means respectfully bolded by me.

RSBM = respectfully snipped by me (when you cut out parts of a quoted post)
BBM = bolded by me

 

[brightii]

Hi Jash: Did you notice in today's google docs slide # 36 the name on a file (9th from the bottom on the left side) re the "theft" case noted in the canlii link I posted?

https://docs.google.com/presentatio...llXFyWyCdHr42Ho/edit?pref=2&pli=1#slide=id.p4

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onscdc/doc/2014/2014onsc1218/2014onsc1218.html?resultIndex=41

All MOO.

 

[brightii]

RSBM = respectfully snipped by me (when you cut out parts of a quoted post)
BBM = bolded by me

Thank Jash - I didn't know that!

 

[CJPRINCESS]

It looks like LB in the slide with the yellow toolbox

I think it looks like LB as well. If you look at her pic with the dog and compare to the video snip. The smile and teeth look to be pretty dang close to me.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Ann Brocklehurst's slides of today's exhibits.

She needed to remove five slides. See webpage.

https://docs.google.com/presentatio...llXFyWyCdHr42Ho/edit?pref=2&pli=1#slide=id.p4

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/03/computer-examinations-for-r-vs-millard-and-smich.html

re: slide #7 screen shot of the steam account loaded on the desktop with the "stealthmissions" username pre-loaded...

Notice the recycle bin? When I'm doing a "clean up" of the family pc that the teenagers use, that's one of the first things I look at (then download history, browser history, search/youtube/chat app history, bookmarks, etc). Yep, I'm one of those meddling moms that does a random check on desktops, tablets & phones. 99% of the time, there's nothing on any devices that shouldn't be there. I do stay up to date on all the sneak-apps kids use and have never once found any of them (calculators, audio apps, etc.). Thankfully, all the lectures I've given my kids seem to be paying off - so far.

I'd love to speak with the folks that examined all the data on all these devices to learn what they found. I can imagine it was pretty damning, even if it didn't have anything directly to do with this case.

 

[NashBridges2]

What am I looking at, and is that LB?

That's Laura, RIP my dear. Justice is coming.