Bosma Murder Trial 03.07.16 - Day 20

[Deleted member 102539]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8 Min.Vor 8 Minuten
Jones says he's missing too much to say how big event was or what the mechanism was that created he stains. #Bosma :notgood:

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Hmmm.....I was sure this was going to be the witness that could place the shooter's location. He won't even speculate. My assumption had been that testimony regarding gun shot residue combined with this testimony would allow them to definitively determine whether the shot came from the front or the rear. So does that really throw a wrench into the defense's strategy, or the strategy that we have all been assuming? (placing the guilt for pulling the trigger on the other accused.)

My first reaction was disappointment when we learned he couldn't place the shooter. But does this in fact level the playing field between the two accused? We've been discussing whether it mattered who actually pulled the trigger as far as level of guilt goes....but could this potentially help the prosecution if they are able to prove that both DM and MS were in the vehicle at the time TB was shot? To me it may remove a lot of the "noise" that the defense is going to introduce. MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

The bloodletting event not inconsistent with a shooting, source of blood is the front passenger seat directly in front of the glovebox, and loads of evidence of a clean up effort.

So, the crown (so far) doesn't have any evidence or testimony as to which one of these slugs shot him. I really have to wonder what either DM or MS (or both) told their respective girlfriends about what happened in the truck that night? "He just whipped out a gun and shot him! I had no idea he was going to do that!" kind of thing?

 

[Bsafe]

I never considered this but it makes sense. Immediately after the shooting they transferred him to the truck bed, possibly wrapped in a tarp, THEN continued the journey to their next stop. All my opinion MOO

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 48s49 seconds ago
Jones says it shows the area was thoroughly cleaned so that there was no blood left to be seen by the naked eye

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
Got positive tests for blood with LMG in areas where no blood can be seen by naked eye. Indicates a cleanup job is likely, says Jones.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Jury seeing green areas on the foam of the back seats and the female part of the back seat belt assembly

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Also used luminal, which also reacts to hemoglobin. Makes blood glow. Seeing photos of truck bed, tailgate glowing.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Jones explains how Luminol was also used - chemical that makes blood glow in the dark

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Jury now seeing glowing in the trucks bed, tail gate, foot rails, passenger door and on the side of the vehicle

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Seeing luminal glow on passenger door and side of truck. Jones says a lot of it looks like water mixed with blood beading from cleanup.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Driver's side step rail looks as if it's glowing quite strongly in the dark

 

[ArianeEmory]

I never considered this but it makes sense. Immediately after the shooting they transferred him to the truck bed, possibly wrapped in a tarp, THEN continued the journey to their next stop. All my opinion MOO

That seems even riskier than the rest of their weird choices, but who knows.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I never considered this but it makes sense. Immediately after the shooting they transferred him to the truck bed, possibly wrapped in a tarp, THEN continued the journey to their next stop. All my opinion MOO

If they had tarps WITH THEM, they had to be in the Yukon waiting for them to wrap Tim's body in them. If that is the case, I wonder if it can be considered pre-meditated? I mean sure, lots of folks have tarps in their vehicles for all sorts of reasons (painters, carpenters, etc.) but neither of these slimeballs had jobs, so really there's no reason to be carrying tarps in your vehicle.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Hmmm.....I was sure this was going to be the witness that could place the shooter's location. He won't even speculate. My assumption had been that testimony regarding gun shot residue combined with this testimony would allow them to definitively determine whether the shot came from the front or the rear. So does that really throw a wrench into the defense's strategy, or the strategy that we have all been assuming? (placing the guilt for pulling the trigger on the other accused.)

My first reaction was disappointment when we learned he couldn't place the shooter. But does this in fact level the playing field between the two accused? We've been discussing whether it mattered who actually pulled the trigger as far as level of guilt goes....but could this potentially help the prosecution if they are able to prove that both DM and MS were in the vehicle at the time TB was shot? To me it may remove a lot of the "noise" that the defense is going to introduce. MOO

Unfortunately, up to this point (and I stress "up to this point"), I have yet to see any solid evidence that puts MS in the truck at the time of the murder. So, IMO, not only has the Crown yet to prove who pulled the trigger, they've not even proved MS was there, only that his phone may have been.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

If they had tarps WITH THEM, they had to be in the Yukon waiting for them to wrap Tim's body in them. If that is the case, I wonder if it can be considered pre-meditated? I mean sure, lots of folks have tarps in their vehicles for all sorts of reasons (painters, carpenters, etc.) but neither of these slimeballs had jobs, so really there's no reason to be carrying tarps in your vehicle.

I have always had tarps in my vehicle as part of any roadside safety kit. Tarps can be used for laying on the ground if you have to get under your car in snow or mud, they can be used for emergency shelter, they can be used to put inside a vehicle on the floor if transporting dirty things like plants, etc. Not unusual at all for the average person to have tarps in the their vehicle. Having tarps in one's vehicle can be considered pre-meditative of nothing other than being a well prepared and smart person.

 

[Bsafe]

The reason it makes sense (to me anyway) is that the truck bed, being metal, would be a lot easier to hose down than the interior of the truck. Obviously there was cleanup to do immediately after the shooting, but moving the body out of the cab right away would have minimized the blood evidence. This is why so much of the evidence within the cab is only spatter and not more in volume. All my opinion only. IMO MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

I have always had tarps in my vehicle as part of any roadside safety kit. Tarps can be used for laying on the ground if you have to get under your car in snow or mud, they can be used for emergency shelter, they can be used to put inside a vehicle on the floor if transporting dirty things like plants, etc. Not unusual at all for the average person to have tarps in the their vehicle.

Having tarps in your vehicle as part of a roadside safety kit, indicates someone who is responsible, practical and logical. We're talking about DM and his Yukon.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Unfortunately, up to this point (and I stress "up to this point"), I have yet to see any solid evidence that puts MS in the truck at the time of the murder. So, IMO, not only has the Crown yet to prove who pulled the trigger, they've not even proved MS was there, only that his phone may have been.

Except for the fact that both SB and WDB saw him get in the truck with Tim and DM and drive away. Did DM stop and let MS out first? For that matter, there's actually no evidence DM was in the truck at the time of the murder. They could have pulled over, DM got out, MS took the wheel... etc.

All we know so far, is that those 2 left the Bosma residence in the truck with Tim, and Tim was dead within moments. I suppose the Crown has plenty of evidence if they intend to prove they BOTH shot him, and that is what they have stated they intend to prove.

 

[Gibson67]

Nice, he's going to stop the 'blame game' aspect of this early on.

Edit: And I guess we pretty much know for sure now that he was shot inside the truck.

we still have not heard from gun shot residue expert yet and that might make things more clear?

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Unfortunately, up to this point (and I stress "up to this point), I have yet to see any solid evidence that puts MS in the truck at the time of the murder. So, IMO, not only has the Crown yet to prove who pulled the trigger, they've not even proved MS was there, only that his phone may have been.

I agree. I am wondering if they have taken this approach on purpose or not. So far not an MS finger print or DNA reference (that I can recall.) But lots more to come...so fingers crossed. MOO

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Except for the fact that both SB and WDB saw him get in the truck with Tim and DM and drive away. Did DM stop and let MS out first? For that matter, there's actually no evidence DM was in the truck at the time of the murder. They could have pulled over, DM got out, MS took the wheel... etc.

All we know so far, is that those 2 left the Bosma residence in the truck with Tim, and Tim was dead within moments. I suppose the Crown has plenty of evidence if they intend to prove they BOTH shot him, and that is what they have stated they intend to prove.

While I agree with you...has the Crown been able to confirm unequivocally that it was MS that was there? I believe Igor identified them both as being on his test drive but I don't think SB or the tenant at their home (sorry..can't recall his name) confirmed that it was MS. MOO

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

we still have not heard from gun shot residue expert yet and that might make things more clear?

Unless the missing items (carpet, seats etc) pose the same challenge for them as they did for the blood spatter expert..... MOO

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Except for the fact that both SB and WDB saw him get in the truck with Tim and DM and drive away. Did DM stop and let MS out first? For that matter, there's actually no evidence DM was in the truck at the time of the murder. They could have pulled over, DM got out, MS took the wheel... etc.

All we know so far, is that those 2 left the Bosma residence in the truck with Tim, and Tim was dead within moments. I suppose the Crown has plenty of evidence if they intend to prove they BOTH shot him, and that is what they have stated they intend to prove.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither SB, nor WDB, positively identfied MS as being the "shorter" guy. All they testified to was that there was a taller guy and a shorter guy with a hoodie.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither SB, nor WDB, positively identfied MS as being the "shorter" guy. All they testified to was that there was a taller guy and a shorter guy with a hoodie.

I don't think they were ever asked to positively identify them. It's a fine line, but I think it's significant.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

I don't think they were ever asked to positively identify them. It's a fine line, but I think it's significant.

Can you elaborate? curious what you mean exactly. thx

 

[meterclicks]

Neither SB or WD (Wayne DeBoer?) were asked to identify MS or DM in court because they had never seen them before so they wouldn't know who they are.

(In comparison to the witnesses that DM has waved at, because they did in fact know who he was for example)

 

[ArianeEmory]

Can you elaborate? curious what you mean exactly. thx

I just mean, as far as we know/via mainstream media, that SB has never been asked to state in court that MS and DM were the people present at the test drive.

Which is different from saying she cannot identify them.

If I'm incorrect, and she has been asked and has declined or been unable to identify them, let me know.

Edit: It's possible I'm still missing nuances of this.