Bosma Murder Trial 03.08.16 - Day 21

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 10:22 AM
26 GSR particles were found near the driver's seat on the roof liner. 35 particles were found near the passenger's seat on the roof liner.

Mar 8 2016 10:23 AM
Ten particles were also found on the rear passenger side on the roof liner.

Mar 8 2016 10:25 AM
"35 to me indicates a firearm was discharged very close to that area, or someone had a lot of gunshot residue and rubbed it into the roof. The most likely scenario is a firearm was discharged close to that spot," Gerard says.

Mar 8 2016 10:27 AM
Two particles were found also on the passenger side front dash, one particle was found on the front driver's side door, one was found on the rear door on the driver's side, and two were found on the rear passenger side door.

Mar 8 2016 10:29 AM
One particle was found on the rear seat on the passenger side, and one particle on the back of the seat on the rear passenger side.

Mar 8 2016 10:29 AM
Again, Gerard says that there is so much GSR in the truck that the most likely scenario is a gun was fired inside the truck.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 30s31 seconds ago
Roof liner front passenger, 35 GSR particles. "To me would indicate a firearm was discharged very close to that area," says Gerard.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8s9 seconds ago
0 were found on inside passenger door. 2 particles characteristic of GSR were found on back passenger door. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s11 seconds ago
35 particles were found on roof liner above passenger seat. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9s10 seconds ago
Likely the firearm was discharged near the passenger seat. Gunshot residue condensed on roof liner above that spot #TimBosma

 

[Typhoo1961]

The testimony of Igor Tumanenko was shown on Ann Brocklehurst website. He had two days of testimony.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/by-special-request-day-4-of-the-tim-bosma-trial.html

and

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/dispatches-from-the-tim-bosma-trial-day-5.html

HTH

Thank you dear. That helps very much.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Mar 8 2016 10:22 AM
26 GSR particles were found near the driver's seat on the roof liner. 35 particles were found near the passenger's seat on the roof liner.

Mar 8 2016 10:23 AM
Ten particles were also found on the rear passenger side on the roof liner.

Mar 8 2016 10:25 AM
"35 to me indicates a firearm was discharged very close to that area, or someone had a lot of gunshot residue and rubbed it into the roof. The most likely scenario is a firearm was discharged close to that spot," Gerard says.

Highest concentration over the area Tim was sitting, and the second highest concentration over the driver's side. Unless MS was a magician/contortionist, it's pretty clear now he did not fire a gun from the back seat which had the lowest concentration of GSR on the roof liner.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 30s30 seconds ago
Rear passenger roof liner, 10 particles. Front dash, 2. Driver's side roof liner both front and back combined, 26.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s19 seconds ago
10 were found on roof liner above backseat passenger seat. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 18s18 seconds ago
Gerard says highest amount found on roof over passenger seat, "which suggests a firearm was discharged close to that area" he tells the jury

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s49 seconds ago
Rear seat passenger side, 1 particle on each of seat and back of seat.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 42s42 seconds ago
On roof liner of driver side (both front & backseat-one dabber was used on this side vs 2 on passenger side) 26 particles were found. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 38s38 seconds ago
Very few gun shot residue particles found on doors, back seats inside truck

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 50s50 seconds ago
2 particles were found on the front dash. #Bosma

Brownie points to anyone who can make a chart of location/number of particles found out of that dog's breakfast!

 

[Gibson67]

Highest concentration over the area Tim was sitting, and the second highest concentration over the driver's side. Unless MS was a magician/contortionist, it's pretty clear now he did not fire a gun from the back seat which had the lowest concentration of GSR on the roof liner.

he could have easily shot the gun pointing it to the side of Tim's head from behind and the gunshot residue would still be shot in the front seat.

 

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 10:32 AM
Fraser now asking about a hypothetical with one shot fired in the truck, with the window shattered. "I would say there is a very high likelihood that a firearm was discharged inside the vehicle," Gerard says.

Mar 8 2016 10:33 AM
Gerard says he can't say where the shot was fired from. "You can't really use gunshot residue to determine firing angles. We're looking at microscopic particles that can drift with the air currents."

Mar 8 2016 10:34 AM
"I've never seen that many [GSR particles] inside a vehicle," Gerard says. "To get that many spread out over such an area in the vehicle speaks to me that a firearm was discharged in the vehicle."

Mar 8 2016 10:34 AM
Gerard also says he can't say how many shots were fired. "There's no way of knowing."

Mar 8 2016 10:36 AM
Millard's lawyer Ravin Pillay now cross examining.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Mar 8 2016 10:22 AM
26 GSR particles were found near the driver's seat on the roof liner. 35 particles were found near the passenger's seat on the roof liner.

BBM So highest concentrations by far were on the roof liner above the driver's seat and the passenger seat...... Hmmm.....I'm thinking this paints a pretty clear picture of where the shot originated. If it was fired from the back seat the concentration would be on the roof liner in the rear. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 33s33 seconds ago
Crown asking if cop has gun in holster while looking in truck, but not going inside, could they contaminate vehicle? Gerard says no.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9s9 seconds ago
1 particle found on back passenger seat. 1 on the back of that seat. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 22s22 seconds ago
Crown: 3 men in truck, driver seat, passenger & back seat. One shot fired in truck, .380 shell recovered, front passenger window shattered.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 26s26 seconds ago
Gerard said that tells him, with GSR readings, that gun was discharged in vehicle, "but I can't say from which spot or which angle."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 22s22 seconds ago
Second highest amount was found on front driver's side

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s19 seconds ago
Given these findings he says it's very likely a firearm was discharged inside this vehicle. But can't say where the shot came from. #Bosma

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

he could have easily shot the gun pointing it to the side of Tim's head from behind and the gunshot residue would still be shot in the front seat.

Good point. But unless he had the angle pretty much at 90 degrees...they would have found some residue on the driver's side, closer to the rear? I'm thinking if you are shooting from the back, you are not coming in that far from the left. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 25s26 seconds ago
He's never seen particles that high inside a vehicle. "To get that many...speaks to me that the firearm was discharged inside the vehicle."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4s4 seconds ago
You can't use GSR to determine firing angles, he says. They're looking at microscopic particles that can drift through air currents. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 28s28 seconds ago
Gerard says he has no way of knowing if gun was fired more than once...Crown done exam in chief. #Bosma Now Pillay for Millard.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 48s48 seconds ago
Expert says he's never seen so many gunshot particles inside a vehicle "speaks to me that the firearm was discharged in the vehicle." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 25s25 seconds ago
Gerard says his findings suggest someone fired a gun inside the pickup at close range, but he can't say where the shot came from

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s21 seconds ago
Confirming 26 particles cover front and rear on driver's side. Gerard doesn't know exactly where on that side of roof they came from.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s17 seconds ago
Pillay now cross examining. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15s16 seconds ago
Expert can't say where shot was fired from, front or back seat. #Millard lawyer now cross examining #Bosma

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Sounds like the driver fired and the 2 GSR spots on rear seat are from the casing. Not sure how Mr is going to handle that one?! Will be interesting

 

[Gibson67]

Good point. But unless he had the angle pretty much at 90 degrees...they would have found some residue on the driver's side, closer to the rear? I'm thinking if you are shooting from the back, you are not coming in that far from the left. MOO

picture this scenario, he leans up against rear of seat grabs tim with right hand around neck uses his left hand straight on at Tim's head..he's pretty much leaning in the front seat.

 

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 10:36 AM
Gerard says he doesn't know exactly what area GSR particles were taken from, except for the general area.

Mar 8 2016 10:37 AM
Jones says it's fair to say that thousands of GSR particles can be expelled when a gun is fired.

Mar 8 2016 10:40 AM
GSR particles are measure in microns, Gerard says, which is one one thousandth of a millimetre. "This particles are tiny."

Mar 8 2016 10:41 AM
"Some studies have shown it can take about eight minutes for particles to settle," Pillay says. Gerard says internal studies have shown it can take even longer.

Mar 8 2016 10:42 AM
"Activity following the discharge of a firearm can impact the distribution of these particles?" Pillay asks. Gerard says yes, if there was lots of movement or wind. "They can be moved about to some extent before ... they're deposited on a surface," Gerard says.

Mar 8 2016 10:43 AM
"If a vehicle is moving when a cloud is inside, that can have an impact on how the particles settle," Pillay says. Jones says it depends on how the windows are open, but yes.

Mar 8 2016 10:44 AM
Particles can also be moved once they settle, Gerard says.

 

[Ontario Mom]

picture this scenario, he leans up against rear of seat grabs tim with right hand around neck uses his left hand straight on at Tim's head..he's pretty much leaning in the front seat.

Yep, good point.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Gerard says he's never seen that many gun shot residue particles in a vehicle before

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s49 seconds ago
Particles come out of gun in "a cloud," says Gerard. Can spread 10 ft. to either side.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 41s42 seconds ago
He says the high concentration suggests the gun was fired "close to an object"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s18 seconds ago
Pillay asks about 26 particles found on drivers side--this is from samples that cover both front and back of drivers side? Yes, Gerard says

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15s15 seconds ago
Under cross examination Gerard says the particles are!randomly distributed based on a chaotic event

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

picture this scenario, he leans up against rear of seat grabs tim with right hand around neck uses his left hand straight on at Tim's head..he's pretty much leaning in the front seat.

I could see that as well. But picture how bent around his arm would have to be in order to avoid there being some angle towards the back seat. Definitely plausible though. Overall the crown seems to be emphasizing that neither blood spatter or GSR experts can place the shooter....keeping the playing field level between the two accused. MOO

And just as I post my response I see the testimony that said the GSR on the driver's side was in the front and rear. Definitely supports a shot being fired from an angle. Back seat makes ore sense now. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 38s38 seconds ago
In vehicle it is a random, chaotic event, Gerard agrees. Particles are microscopic: 1/1,000th of a millimetre.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3s4 seconds ago
Pillay asks about how the plume of GSR spreads. Would be hard to predict how it would behave in a vehicle, Gerard says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
In, say, a room, Gerard says it can spread at least 10 feet to either side. #Bosma