Bosma Murder Trial 03.08.16 - Day 21

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 12:33 PM
He has been qualified to give expert evidence multiple times in court.

Mar 8 2016 12:33 PM
Platon qualified as an expert in forensic video analysis.

 

[RandomName479]

ALL the expert witnesses are duly qualified by the court, IMO. Just because they cannot answer with certainty about certain things does not equate to them having a lack of qualifications in their own specific area of expertise. They speak only to the facts as they find them and cannot speculate outside of their defined area of expertise and therefore rightly state that fact when necessary.

Also, just because they have an expertise in one area does not necessarily follow that they can say with certainty what their examination of the evidence concludes, ie GSR present in the truck could be identified but the expert witness could not say where the shooter was or from what angle TB was shot. That is not the fault of the expert witness, it's just the state of the evidence being questioned.

Also all the lawyers know (I presume) what specifically these experts are qualified to speak about but ask them questions or press them to speculate anyway even if it is outside the expert's area of expertise.

All MOO.

Exactly.....In my opinion Blood Spatter Experts and/or GSR experts can often determine location of shooter based on the evidence they examine. In this particular case because of the state of the evidence, they were not able to give a conclusive answer. I have not heard (but I could be shown to be wrong) any of the experts say that a ballistics expert will be able to tell us where the shooter was. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Paxton has testified at two other homicide trials. Justice Andrew Goodman qualifies him as a forensic video expert. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 12:36 PM
Assistant Crown Tony Leitch asking about May of 2013, when Plaxton first became involved, back when it was a missing person's case.

Mar 8 2016 12:37 PM
Investigators direct Plaxton to areas with video surveillance systems to download and study it.

Mar 8 2016 12:38 PM
PLaxton was originally asked to look for other vehicles like a White Pickup, a Grey Toyota, a Yukon or Suburban.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 56s57 seconds ago
May 2013 he became involved in Tim #Bosma missing person case. He collected video surveillance from Bosma neighbourhood.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont now3 seconds ago
Focused changed May 13 when he was told it was now a homicide investigation. Looking for video of specific vehicles.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 19s19 seconds ago
Plaxton went canvassing for surveillance video after #TimBosma went missing. @HamiltonPolice had asked for public help

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10s11 seconds ago
Got video from SuperSucker business on Trinity Road.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Super Sucker video collected by @HamiltonPolice constable who said time of video was 3 hours behind. Starts by making forensic copy.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Looks at video from night/time #Bosma went out for fatal test drive.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 13s13 seconds ago
Jury now hearing from Michael Plaxton, forensic video analyst.

 

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 12:42 PM
One video was taken from Super Sucker Ltd at Claybar Road in Hamilton. Here's more on that video, which was three hours out on the timestamp: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ccused-mark-smich-detailed-for-jury-1.3461958

Mar 8 2016 12:42 PM
The time was reset before Plaxton got to it, he says.

Mar 8 2016 12:43 PM
"Unfortunately, I was unable to do that, so I had to work with what I was given," Plaxton says, adding that he was confident because he had heard from two other sources that it was three hours off.

Mar 8 2016 12:44 PM
He checked the video against the time of sunset, which "further supported" that the video was "a number of hours slow."

Mar 8 2016 12:44 PM
Court now seeing a map showing the distance between the Bosma home and Super Sucker. It's 2.3 km away.

Mar 8 2016 12:46 PM
Court now seeing a photo of the field of view/shot of the camera.

 

[brightii]

In my mind it is a connection but there truly is reasonable doubt when you consider that there are literally millions of guns that could fire that same caliber of bullet. A lawyer would jump all over that all day long. I think it is a very important piece of the puzzle that the jurors have now seen and they will add it to the puzzle. But it isn't the "smoking gun" so-to-speak. If they were able to tie that gun to the actual shooting than this would have been a very short trial. MOO

bbm

I agree.

All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Business owner also told him video time was off by three hours. He checked time of sunset for May 6, 2013 to verify video time was off.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10s11 seconds ago
2.3 km between #Bosma house and Super Sucker. Camera at business looks out at Trinity Road.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s11 seconds ago
Plaxton referencing video taken from Super Sucker (on Trinity Rd 2.3 km from #Bosma home). Seeing screen grab of that camera's field of view

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 30s30 seconds ago
Plaxton now telling jury about video acquired from an Ancaster company called Super Sucker, which is 2.3 km from the #Bosma home.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s20 seconds ago
Timestamp on the super sucker video system was 3 hours off. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s30 seconds ago
Super Sucker video shows a dark vehicle with no hubcaps passing by. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s37 seconds ago
May 6, 2013 at 5:46 pm is time stamp. Corrected time is 8:46 pm. Video shows dark vehicle with no hubcaps going south on Trinity Road.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 27s28 seconds ago
A screen grab from 5:46pm on May 6, 2013 (corrected time: 8:46pm) shows a dark vehicle w no hub caps, driving south on Trinity Rd. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
Watching that very fast video clip now. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

In my mind it is a connection but there truly is reasonable doubt when you consider that there are literally millions of guns that could fire that same caliber of bullet. A lawyer would jump all over that all day long. I think it is a very important piece of the puzzle that the jurors have now seen and they will add it to the puzzle. But it isn't the "smoking gun" so-to-speak. If they were able to tie that gun to the actual shooting than this would have been a very short trial. MOO

I think they're doing a fine job of tying that actual gun to this murder and the shell casing found in the victim's truck. What they cannot do, is place it in the hand of one of the two people who left with TB on the night he was murdered. So they are proving that both are equally responsible. Helps that they also have a photo of each of them holding and handling the gun.

MOO

 

[inbetweendoors]

Do we have photos of the Yukon's rims?

 

[Gibson67]

Not sure the importance of connecting a gun in a photo with DM's prints. Even if it is proven DM is holding the gun in the photo, it does not prove if it was that gun was his, was used in the murder, which of the two shot it, or even if either of the two shot it. The gun photo only proves one thing if the finger is identified as DM...that DM once held a gun and took a photo of it.

there is also a photo of MS holding the same gun that was a photo from his IPAD so not sure what this proves.

 

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 12:47 PM
Court about to see some video. It has a timestamp of 5:46 p.m., but Plaxton says the corrected time is 8:46 p.m.

Mar 8 2016 12:50 PM
The first video the court is seeing shows a dark coloured vehicle with no hubcaps going south on Trinity Road. Plaxton says it happened around 8:46 p.m. on May 6, 2013.

Mar 8 2016 12:50 PM
Plaxton says it appears to be an SUV or a pickup truck.

Mar 8 2016 12:51 PM
The Bosma residence is 2.3 km south of that location.

Mar 8 2016 12:52 PM
Now seeing another video. "A vehicle consistent with the Bosma vehicle," the report says, is seen going north on Trinity Road 9:20 p.m. followed by another vehicle.

Mar 8 2016 12:52 PM
The vehicle that follows is consistent with the vehicle in the first video, Plaxton says. It's also around the time Bosma left on the test drive.

Mar 8 2016 12:53 PM
Now taking the lunch break. Back at 2:10 p.m.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8s8 seconds ago
It's a fleeting glimpse. Vehicle in frame for just a second. Top of vehicle not in frame. Either SUV or truck.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Next video 6:20 pm time stamp. Corrected to 9:20 pm. 1st vehicle consistent with Bosma truck. Followed close by vehicle seen in 1st video.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 49s49 seconds ago
Watching the video. After 9pm truck like #Bosma passes, followed closely by the vehicle with no hubcaps.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 35s35 seconds ago
Jury at lunch til 210pm

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 51s51 seconds ago
Jury taking lunch break.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 32s32 seconds ago
Seeing clip from 6:20pm (9:20pm) of a vehicle consistent w #Bosma's truck heading north on Trinity. A 2nd vehicle follows 3 secs behind.

 

[SomeITGuy]

Do we have photos of the Yukon's rims?

Here's a link to the Yukon exhibit.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2HcLKBpswT4UDdFTW1nZXA2REE/view?pref=2&pli=1

 

[loveisthemovement]

:hanging:

 

[RandomName479]

Here's a link to the Yukon exhibit.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2HcLKBpswT4UDdFTW1nZXA2REE/view?pref=2&pli=1

Question from a non-car person.....would this be described as rimless?

 

[SomeITGuy]

Question from a non-car person.....would this be described as rimless?

I wouldn't say rimless.. the rim is the piece inside the tire. It would be without hubcaps.

I'd speculate that these are stock rims that were spray painted or powder coated.